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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #40 on: December 29, 2012, 04:38:38 pm »
Been banging on about this all day, thanks for summing up my words more eloquently than I could.
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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #41 on: December 29, 2012, 04:48:18 pm »
Can I also add that all staff are 100% behind what is written in the opening post.
Personally I would go even further and advocate locking about 95% of the threads on the whole site and adding a link to the OP. New members should be emailed a transcript too.

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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #42 on: December 29, 2012, 04:52:13 pm »
Personally I would go even further and advocate locking about 95% of the threads on the whole site and adding a link to the OP. New members should be emailed a transcript too.
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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #43 on: December 29, 2012, 04:59:46 pm »
But do you believe that with more time, practice on the training ground, time with the youngsters developing them and investment in the types of players that will suit the system better, the results will come?

Because thats the crux of it isn't it... instant gratification over some understanding that it will take a few more transfer windows and hard work on the training pitches with our relatively young group of players before we see the type of consistency you're expecting.

Well its only natural the fan base would be worried about where the club is headed, because thats what we lack isn't it? a yard stick to give us any positive indication about our direction. The results aren't currently doing that, Rodgers has no previous record to offer that comfort, there isn't any leadership at the top to comfort the long suffering fans either. We are really in uncharted territory, Isn't it only human nature that we should question ourselves?

I don't want a managerial change because stability right now is paramount, but I'm not going to beat on fans that voice their concerns because given our current situation, its only to be expected.

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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #44 on: December 29, 2012, 05:00:14 pm »
Perfectly put...sadly this is the mindset of a minority of the fanbase
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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #45 on: December 29, 2012, 05:00:56 pm »
Brilliantly put.

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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #46 on: December 29, 2012, 05:02:17 pm »
Rodgers was the wrong man, appointed at the wrong time for the wrong reasons.. But he is here now. He has much to learn and much to prove. But he is here. Support him. I will but view the "Fight" comment with doubt. He has decisions to make. Has he got the bollocks? Personally I think no. Hope he proves he is brave and determined as he's claimed...

So as far as your concerned Andy, he was the wrong man to start with, he has much to learn and prove and you don`think he`s got the bollocks to make the right decisions but you are going to back him.

Really sounds like your backing him there like  ::)

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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #47 on: December 29, 2012, 05:04:40 pm »
The biggest problem facing us at the moment isn't the managers tactics or who we need to sign this transfer window it's the effect that the last few years has had on the fanbase.
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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #48 on: December 29, 2012, 05:04:47 pm »
Well its only natural the fan base would be worried about where the club is headed, because thats what we lack isn't it? a yard stick to give us any positive indication about our direction. The results aren't currently doing that, Rodgers has no previous record to offer that comfort, there isn't any leadership at the top to comfort the long suffering fans either. We are really in uncharted territory, Isn't it only human nature that we should question ourselves?

I don't want a managerial change because stability right now is paramount, but I'm not going to beat on fans that voice their concerns because given our current situation, its only to be expected.

People talk of yardsticks to measure how good a manager is or track records, but every manager had to gain their success somewhere first. Shanks didn't exactly have a top flight track record before he took over. Neither did Paisley - he was an internal appointment. Same with Fagan. Same with Dalglish and the same with Ronnie Moran. All internal appointments with no proven track record. Roy Evans was another, by the way.

The only difference with Rodgers is that he wasn't an internal appointment, but FSG sounded out "experts" in the game and his name was pretty much top of the list of bright young managers, which is obviously what they were looking for. I get the impression that Martinez turned it down first, but that's just hearsay.


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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #49 on: December 29, 2012, 05:06:23 pm »
Well said Albie.

None of us knows if Rodgers will succeed. All we can do is give him the chance to do so by backing him, getting behind the team and giving them time.

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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #50 on: December 29, 2012, 05:08:32 pm »
Just to respond quickly to lindylou's post, as staff our primary point is not that fans express concern, as we all have concerns in one way or another. It is more a case of HOW people express themselves that often gives us problems.
 
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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #51 on: December 29, 2012, 05:09:14 pm »
Excellent post. I may not agree with all of his decisions but for as long as he is here I will support him and I hope he turns out to be as good as he speaks. I chanted his name at Stoke when we were 3-1 down because he deserves that support.

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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #52 on: December 29, 2012, 05:12:20 pm »
Brilliant read that ,says it how it is perfectly

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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #53 on: December 29, 2012, 05:13:20 pm »
All you have to remember about Rodgers is that he is incredibly ambitious. He got to where he is because of his pure ambition and when we fail it's because he's over ambitious - he wants to win in the hardest possible style and is trying to change the way the defence, midfield and attack play all at once rather than taking it bit by bit.

He's learning on the job but I don't believe he's in over his head. He needs support, and I'm more worried about those above him supporting him rather than any fans.

I think we could have done better this half of the season, but once the window closed our fate was sealed. I'm behind him and reassured by the fact he has to succeed here, because if he doesn't he will never get a chance at a big club again.


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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #54 on: December 29, 2012, 05:13:44 pm »
Great post.

The digital age has really attracted a horrible breed of 'fans' to football allowing them to dismantle every last move a manager and player makes and demanding instant success. Ain't gonna happen. Debating is becoming akin to banging your head against the wall. Put up or fuck off.

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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #55 on: December 29, 2012, 05:14:15 pm »
Great OP.

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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #56 on: December 29, 2012, 05:14:36 pm »
Great OP and completely correct. But there's been so much in fighting at our club over the last few years, that, in my opinion, we've gone beyond way beyond being the New Newcastle. Civil War, it's the new Liverpool way. I used to laugh at the notion of going down to reclaim the club. I'm sure Brendan won't let that happen. In fact, I think if he's given a bit of time and patience he'll succeed. But I'm not so sure he'll get it, and it might just take a complete implosion to clear out all the bollocks of the last few years.

No doubt I'll be attacked for having the temerity to say it. I even thought long and hard before posting it. Not to dodge a bollocking over a fucking keyboard though. I only had doubts, because I don't want to, and hope it doesn't, derail the thread.

I agree... if Brendan's going to stand any chance of turning the mess of the last few years round, he's going to need every bit of backing he can get from every quarter, including internet forums. Will he get it? Can't see it myself. From the boardroom to the terraces, we've been shooting ourselves for donkies years. Even if it's only in the foot, sooner or later one of them will prove fatal.

Feel free to start with the bollockings. The only thing I'll say to defend meself is, I sincerly hope Brendan proves me wrong.
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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #57 on: December 29, 2012, 05:15:16 pm »
Great post. Support our manager. Give him chance. If you like to criticise, learn to accept criticism.

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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #58 on: December 29, 2012, 05:16:46 pm »
I agree with FS on this. The firing of RAfa was the single most important factor in us being in the poor position we are today. Thing is that if he came back I'm not sure if even he could turn us round in a 'timely' fashion.

The decision to sell to a couple of over leveraged crooks more like
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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #59 on: December 29, 2012, 06:11:12 pm »
I don't think the banner needs to come out. It is a given. It is in our DNA.
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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #60 on: December 29, 2012, 06:18:19 pm »
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But I'm not so sure he'll get it, and it might just take a complete implosion to clear out all the bollocks of the last few years.


Rodgers HAS to win this, no matter the past and the current situation, the players would take massive advantage and at the same time we would become a "no go" club for every ambition and talented player. In addition it would give a sign for the snakes at the club for having a field day.

I don´t wanna think of a possibility of Rodgers failing, it would have even worse consequences than we´ve already been through.

I like him and evenmore his passion for football and the way he likes the football being played and actually I am pretty convinced that his decisions when it comes to the football only will improve us long term. But I am little worried on the off pitch politics and wether he will go for the right decisions. To me, it´s an even bigger task than improving our squad and have us playing better football.
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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #61 on: December 29, 2012, 06:37:01 pm »
Very rarely post but had to on this one, what a fucking quality read.

Every fan should be made to read this before spouting their sky opinions.

Just support the manager, support the team and stop whinging.

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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #62 on: December 29, 2012, 06:38:16 pm »
I don't tend to post on here much these days as we have become knee jerk fans, top four one week, in turmoil the next. But this OP is why I joined RAWK, IMO it should be pinned to the top of every post game thread. YNWA all.
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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #63 on: December 29, 2012, 06:49:49 pm »
This thread has brightened up my day. Thanks.


Great OP and completely correct. But there's been so much in fighting at our club over the last few years, that, in my opinion, we've gone beyond way beyond being the New Newcastle. Civil War, it's the new Liverpool way. I used to laugh at the notion of going down to reclaim the club. I'm sure Brendan won't let that happen. In fact, I think if he's given a bit of time and patience he'll succeed. But I'm not so sure he'll get it, and it might just take a complete implosion to clear out all the bollocks of the last few years.

No doubt I'll be attacked for having the temerity to say it. I even thought long and hard before posting it. Not to dodge a bollocking over a fucking keyboard though. I only had doubts, because I don't want to, and hope it doesn't, derail the thread.

I agree... if Brendan's going to stand any chance of turning the mess of the last few years round, he's going to need every bit of backing he can get from every quarter, including internet forums. Will he get it? Can't see it myself. From the boardroom to the terraces, we've been shooting ourselves for donkies years. Even if it's only in the foot, sooner or later one of them will prove fatal.

Feel free to start with the bollockings. The only thing I'll say to defend meself is, I sincerly hope Brendan proves me wrong.

Attacked for having the temerity to say what? You don't seem to have said it.
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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #64 on: December 29, 2012, 07:02:59 pm »
That is so so right. I wasn't sure whether the King would have us challenging, but I rather the King still continue on and myself take a temporary hiatus from watching Liverpool if the results affected me that much, and I actually did for the last few games of last season.

This time Rodgers needs all the support he needs both from the owners and the fans. If we take the long-term view, we can all see what our team is going to look like after 2 years, and we could easily put out a first eleven without Suarez, Gerrard and Johnson. Furthermore, all those players in that future team are currently at the club right now. They are all inexperienced, but two years down the line they will have learned from this season and the next. Hodgson and that previous regime almost destroyed that.... we could have had Ince and Kacancilic helping out right now, instead of having to reply on Sterling all the time. I rather take whatever comes now then end up with possibly someone come here and put back the development of what we are preparing for or even worse destroy all that.

FS. Nothing wrong with thinking that BR wont get it. I didn't think Kenny would have us ready for a title challenge within the next two to three years either, but I still rather he continued on, at the very least he would have stabilized the club, so if your views get attacked, mine probably will too.
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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #65 on: December 29, 2012, 07:05:54 pm »
best thing ive read all year!!

 I also want to say that I bloody love Brendan Rodgers. I love his honesty, his style, his way of working,his long term thinking, his balls to give young players a chance.I love that he took the liverpool job, as its honestly probably one of the hardest jobs in football ATM, i love his enthusiasm for the challenge of it, I love the possesion and pressing game. I love his appreciation for the mental side of the game. I just love the man, and love that he is at ourclub, we are very very lucky to have him.

so sky sports fans piss off and support spurs or chelsea.

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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #66 on: December 29, 2012, 07:17:22 pm »
After setting such a high standard, there were bound to come a time when we would,nt be leading the league , a time when the team would loose some of its sparkle , a time when great players would have to be replaced . A transition period. Surely nobody expected us to replace the class players we have overnight . Mind you , we have some great young players in the making, and I feel sure that we could field a team of young players , all who could put up a good show.
I know the position. I know that the majority of people judge a team and its Manager by their last result. I am aware that everybody is free to express their opinion. And I know that there are two teams in this City, that makes the pressure greater.

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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #67 on: December 29, 2012, 07:19:00 pm »
People on this website need to realise supporting the team and the manager is going the match and doing so.

People are entitled to criticise without it meaning they are sitting at home throwing darts at a Rodgers portrait. No idea why on this site everyone has to get on their high horse, write 'YNWA' at the end of a long post and tell everyone how they should or should not support the team.

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« Reply #68 on: December 29, 2012, 07:29:03 pm »
Very rarely post but had to on this one, what a fucking quality read.

Every fan should be made to read this before spouting their sky opinions.

Just support the manager, support the team and stop whinging.

This is a very simplistic and flawed perspective. We're tenth in the league, haven't beaten any team above us in the league and have 6 wins out of 19. There's quite a bit to be worried about currently but I agree we need to back Brendan and give him time, doesn't mean the man is beyond criticism.

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« Reply #69 on: December 29, 2012, 07:30:54 pm »
That's excellent, and totally relevant:

After setting such a high standard, there were bound to come a time when we would,nt be leading the league , a time when the team would loose some of its sparkle , a time when great players would have to be replaced . A transition period. Surely nobody expected us to replace the class players we have overnight. Mind you , we have some great young players in the making, and I feel sure that we could field a team of young players , all who could put up a good show.
I know the position. I know that the majority of people judge a team and its Manager by their last result. I am aware that everybody is free to express their opinion. And I know that there are two teams in this City, that makes the pressure greater.

This was taken from a copy of a letter I have written by the great man himself Shanks in October 1969 to two of our supporters everything he wrote can be applied to our current state of affairs.

Especially the date 1969, with Everton on the way to the title
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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #70 on: December 29, 2012, 07:36:50 pm »
Albie is spot on in the op but the thread title needed to be called, 'Focusing on Supporting Our Manager Post Match Thread' to pull the beauts in for a read.
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« Reply #71 on: December 29, 2012, 07:49:30 pm »
After setting such a high standard, there were bound to come a time when we would,nt be leading the league , a time when the team would loose some of its sparkle , a time when great players would have to be replaced . A transition period. Surely nobody expected us to replace the class players we have overnight . Mind you , we have some great young players in the making, and I feel sure that we could field a team of young players , all who could put up a good show.
I know the position. I know that the majority of people judge a team and its Manager by their last result. I am aware that everybody is free to express their opinion. And I know that there are two teams in this City, that makes the pressure greater.

This was taken from a copy of a letter I have written by the great man himself Shanks in October 1969 to two of our supporters everything he wrote can be applied to our current state of affairs.

Needs to be sticky'd somewhere for everyone to read! So so so true

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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #72 on: December 29, 2012, 07:50:33 pm »
yer but whoppers can only be modern fans innit?  an yes right behind our boss,  even though i just dont see it with jonjo.
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« Reply #73 on: December 29, 2012, 07:54:56 pm »
Fantastic OP. Should be stickied and should be a must-read for anyone on this forum before posting.
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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #74 on: December 29, 2012, 08:07:43 pm »
This is a very simplistic and flawed perspective. We're tenth in the league, haven't beaten any team above us in the league and have 6 wins out of 19. There's quite a bit to be worried about currently but I agree we need to back Brendan and give him time, doesn't mean the man is beyond criticism.

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« Reply #75 on: December 29, 2012, 08:10:06 pm »
Brilliant opening post.

I've been plane hopping a lot recently, and missed a flight on the day of the Stoke game, and ended up staying in a hotel overnight. It was one of those rare occasions I've missed watching a Liverpool game. While on my travels, I even managed to watch the Fulham game (which I had a blast watching by the way), but here I had no wifi, and a TV which was one for the antique collection. So it was no surprise that when I turned it on, it worked for what seemed like a second and then switched to a black screen.  I have no idea why I was even entertaining the thought that I'd turn it on and it would magically be showing the game. I eventually twisted and turned my way sleep knowing that I'd have to find a wifi network at the airport in the morning. I can't remember the last time I went to sleep knowing Liverpool were playing at that very exact time.

Arrived at the airport in the morning to find out my flight had been delayed, so I quickly scrambled to find an Internet hot spot. Came across one of those old kiosks which I was fully expecting not to work, with some requirement of payment needed before hand. To my surprise I could browse web pages, so instantly looked up the score as my fingers began to tremble.

It's an unexplainable feeling looking up the result after the match has ended, because a range of emotions start swirling through your head, but your ultimate wish is that you see a winning scoreline, doesn't matter how it happened. Then, somewhere in the back of your mind you think 'fuck it', even a draw at a place like Stoke and you wouldn't have to proceed with this plane journey with the thought of a defeat lingering over your head while you perplex over a theory of how they succumbed to a loss.

When the headline popped out at me, an immediate feeling of inconsolable disappointment engulfed me. I tried to click on the link to the article but the page stopped loading and then timed out. I just walked away and sat in the lounge in bewilderment for about 15 minutes, until the initial shock passed over. I then started to the think of all the things that have made me trust Rodgers. Without knowing the circumstances of the game.

I then began to mull over the season and how I've always believed in and supported Rodgers from day 1. Ever since he walked the through the doors you can see he gets Liverpool. Every principle of his is based on solid foundations. Every press interview he has done, has been completed in a dignified manner. Always with an element of hope.

I've always said on here, for a while now, that Rodgers is building something here, that when it comes to fruition is going to be mouthwatering. He hasn't had the necessary resources available to kick it in to top gear yet.

We are a good team with potential. Until we find the consistency, until we have the right players with firepower, and until the young gems have a few years of experience under their belt, we will be erratic. We will see ups and downs. Highs and lows. And disheartening defeats.

But if we don't support Rodgers now, and if he gets the hook by FSG at the end of the season because results haven't matched expectations we will be even more fucked than we have been the last few years. We simply cannot afford to reset the mileage button.

Let Rodgers grow the team. People may not like that notion, and a large section of the fanbase want immediate payback and results, but if you analyze the situation it simply isn't going to happen that quickly.
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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #76 on: December 29, 2012, 08:10:47 pm »
Great OP.  I have my doubts about Brendan along with a lot of other people, mainly because he doesn't have a CV yet that might build a bit of confidence.  At least when Rafa came in you could point to that Valencia side and get excited.  But Rodgers doesn't have that, so he will be judged solely on his performance at Liverpool.

The thing is though, how can you judge him now?  Who could possibly criticise him at this stage?  Not saying I'm happy with results, but he has been massively, massively shafted by FDG.  450k a week (so far) shaved off the wage bill, and it will drop even further when we get rid of Cole/Downing and replace them with Sturridge/Ince.  That's at least 5 would class players off the wage bill, and we look at least 5 world class players away from 4th.

Rodgers is shafted whatever he does.  Anyone criticising at this stage is really missing the point.

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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #77 on: December 29, 2012, 08:12:49 pm »
That's at least 5 would class players off the wage bill, and we look at least 5 world class players away from 4th.


Who are the 5 world class players off the wage bill?

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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #78 on: December 29, 2012, 08:13:03 pm »
Top OP. I'm ashamed to say that one of my best mates, whom i thought was knowledgable and a true supporter began turning on the manager very early in his tenure. I see constant posts on his facebook calling for his head. Makes me sick to be honest, so much i've kinda distant myself just to avoid any sort of heated discussions.

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Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #79 on: December 29, 2012, 08:14:19 pm »
I don't know anyone who isn't supporting the manager. He needs wins though and quickly else he will lose his job.