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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7320 on: December 23, 2011, 08:27:28 PM »
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« Reply #7321 on: December 23, 2011, 08:32:06 PM »
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7322 on: December 23, 2011, 08:34:41 PM »
Dear Monsieur Evra

Please explain the meaning of the term "Sudaca"...??

Is it the Spanish colonnial equivalant of the English disgraceful acronym Western Oriental Gentlemen, please clarify.

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« Reply #7323 on: December 23, 2011, 08:36:40 PM »
The main thing I've heard from the pious, patronising, offended on behalf of the poor little angel Evra is that we need to "educate" the likes of the bigoted Suarez who don't know what they're saying and how their words upset people.  So, a three year old child uses the word fuck 'cause he's heard it at nursery.  How do the parents put the child right?  Do they say " that's not a nice word and you're not supposed to say it, so please don't do it again".  Or do they belt the innocent mite in the gob then lock him in his room for three days with no scoff?  Indeed, so how does banning Suarez for 8 games and fining him "educate" him where getting the two people in a room and telling him how Evra felt about the use of the word (genuinely or otherwise) doesn't?

The problem with common sense is that it's not very common.

The FA have fucked this up good style.  They need to be held to account more than anyone else (except maybe that Ginger twat on TalkShite).

Good post, I did think maybe a suspended sentence would have been ok because thats like saying now you know it's wrong here, dont do it again

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7324 on: December 23, 2011, 08:41:33 PM »
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« Reply #7325 on: December 23, 2011, 08:43:05 PM »
Heard Evra will demand that the Argentine NT be thrown out of Fifa because of this


Great find!  should post this in the PFA thread as well.

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« Reply #7326 on: December 23, 2011, 08:44:01 PM »
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« Reply #7327 on: December 23, 2011, 08:45:56 PM »

I've read Spanish speakers saying it is very offensive and compared it to a couple of words in English that are amongst the worst ethnic slurs.
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« Reply #7328 on: December 23, 2011, 08:46:41 PM »
Did Evra actually say Sudaca?

Chastising him without knowing for certain that he said that is as bad as the press chastising Suarez without facts.

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7329 on: December 23, 2011, 08:48:36 PM »
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7330 on: December 23, 2011, 08:48:41 PM »
Did Evra actually say Sudaca?

Chastising him without knowing for certain that he said that is as bad as the press chastising Suarez without facts.

Was just about to say this.

You'd think people would have figured out the double standards on show when suggesting Evra said something we don't yet know.
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7331 on: December 23, 2011, 08:50:15 PM »
Good post, I did think maybe a suspended sentence would have been ok because thats like saying now you know it's wrong here, dont do it again
Is right, and maybe make a substantial donation to a charity of Evra's choice?  The ban and the fine are of no import.  The thing that matters is that Suarez is being branded.  He used the word in all innocence, and admitted to using it in all innocence.  If he really was a racist etc would he have admitted saying it?  He's made a genuine, possibly childish, mistake and the world is kicking him in the nuts for being naive.   

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7332 on: December 23, 2011, 08:52:57 PM »
I never thought I'd agree with Gough but he's right here, this needs cutting in the bud I just feel were in too deep now.

This is spiralling out of control now, when a simple apology if he's been misunderstood but no offence was meant would of ended it and got the ban reduced on appeal.

It is an unholy mess but Luis Suarez and Liverpool Football Club have nothing at all to apologise for.

You're allowing these empty vessels to panic you - a bit like the Irish caller who has apparently been shamed into renouncing his faith. Don't fall for it. I know it's very unpleasant to hear their nonsense but even now it's clear from what they're spouting - particularly Gough - that the seeds of doubt are starting to be sown due to the intensity of the solidarity behind Luis.

They - mainly Gough - are nowhere near as strident as they were just 24 hours earlier. He [Gough] is now questioning the wisdom of the FA not releasing the full details behind their decision. The more shite they spout the more they're merely digging a deeper hole for themselves. By the time the truth reveals itself to the majority [who have jumped so eagerly onto the self righteous racist bandwagon] and the veil of ignorance gradually disperses to reveal the decision as the utter sham it so manifestly is, their primary objective will be to find the best way of backtracking on the drivel they've been spouting.

Though we haven't actually heard the facts of the matter those of us who were there to see Evra's feigning injury and subsequent snarling his aggression to Suarez prior to any verbal interchange - and have had the Uruguyan colloquialism explained to us - have now been able to grasp what has happened. 

In stark contrast, the Durham/Gough stance - and that of all those slandering/libelling an innocent man - uses as its pivot the fact that the panel found Suarez guilty of racist connotations within his retort to Evra ergo he actually must be guilty [some say racist] ergo he should be condemned by every Liverpudlian ergo he and the club should apologise.

As we are now aware those panel findings are based on literal English translation rather than actual meaning and on the fact Evra's ridiculous over-reaction must have represented conclusive evidence of intended racial offence by Suarez as distinct from the innocuous perhaps slightly patronising questioning it actually was. As such the entire basis for the decision by the panel lacks any justification whatsoever. Hence the strident rebuttal by LFC.

Ultimately, the charge will have to be dropped - either by court order or willingly - or at the very least significantly abated to shed any racist connotation. And at that juncture so many posturing self righteous hypocrites within the media - not least these two morons - will be revealed for what they are - namely no better than the vigilante lynch mob who lap up their drivel.

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7333 on: December 23, 2011, 08:52:59 PM »
Great find!  should post this in the PFA thread as well.

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7334 on: December 23, 2011, 08:59:43 PM »
Did Evra actually say Sudaca?

Chastising him without knowing for certain that he said that is as bad as the press chastising Suarez without facts.

"...you South American you...."

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« Reply #7335 on: December 23, 2011, 09:04:35 PM »
Its still conjecture.  On both sides of the argument.  Awfully hypocritical.

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7337 on: December 23, 2011, 09:06:42 PM »
Ultimately, the charge will have to be dropped - either by court order or willingly - or at the very least significantly abated to shed any racist connotation.

He has already been found guilty of the charge against him. I'm not sure the courts would accept a case such as this regarding the affairs of the FA? They certainly haven't allowed it in the past.
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7338 on: December 23, 2011, 09:12:16 PM »
Whatever he did or didnt actually say to Evra, you cant deny the guy acts like a fucking prick.
Lets not sugar coat it, if he played for Man U or Everton we would all fucking hate him. The diving, asking refs to book other players, the gesturing to oppo fans.
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« Reply #7339 on: December 23, 2011, 09:15:02 PM »
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7340 on: December 23, 2011, 09:15:21 PM »
He admitted he said it....."you South American you..." in Spanish = "Sudaca"

In the same way that Luis admitted..."negrito"...in Spanish

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« Reply #7341 on: December 23, 2011, 09:17:19 PM »

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7342 on: December 23, 2011, 09:18:30 PM »
Whatever he did or didnt actually say to Evra, you cant deny the guy acts like a fucking prick.
Lets not sugar coat it, if he played for Man U or Everton we would all fucking hate him. The diving, asking refs to book other players, the gesturing to oppo fans.
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7343 on: December 23, 2011, 09:18:43 PM »
Whatever he did or didnt actually say to Evra, you cant deny the guy acts like a fucking prick.
Lets not sugar coat it, if he played for Man U or Everton we would all fucking hate him. The diving, asking refs to book other players, the gesturing to oppo fans.
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7344 on: December 23, 2011, 09:18:44 PM »
Yesterday had a little exchange with a mate of mine who used to live in Ecuador and travelled all over South America.

He reckons that in South America (note: NOT Spain) "sudaca" is not massively racist, but pejorative and "you'd say it with a hand over your mouth and a wink". He goes on to say that "sudaca" and "negrito" are probably morally equivalent and if viewed in the context of chit-chat on the pitch, would not carry any racists connotations in either direction.

assuming evra did say sudaca (yes, big assumption, i know) this is intriguing, and is possibly where the speculation gets really interesting (well, if you're a linguist like me...)  if the above is a fair representation of the relative weight of the two words evra finds himself in a dilemma. 

as a european (well, an african, but one who moved to europe at a very young age) and an accomplished polyglot, the understanding of sudaca evra has would likely be from the 'standard' (i.e. from spain) european version of the language.  by all accounts the word sudaca in that context is utterly reprehensible and viciously racist and he should be charged and banned immediately.

now the alternative view evra could realistically take is that he was using it in its south american context (knowing that suarez is from uruguay), which based on the above account is less of a racial slur, and he is less blameworthy.  but it is inconceivable (to me at least) that he can claim this sort of cultural appreciation of the nuances of south american spanish, and yet still be unaware of the cultural significance of the words suarez is alleged to have used.  similarly, if the FA believe evra's culturally specific reading of sudaca, then why can they not do the same for suarez?
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« Reply #7345 on: December 23, 2011, 09:19:32 PM »
Met him have you.....fucking Tesco Allerton...??  Do fuck off

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« Reply #7346 on: December 23, 2011, 09:29:50 PM »
Don't be having a go at Tesco Allerton (Eyes brimming up)

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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7347 on: December 23, 2011, 09:37:06 PM »
Not everyone who suddenly posts something like this will be a Man Utd fan in disguise.

Unfortunately some people are just fucking thick.
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« Reply #7348 on: December 23, 2011, 09:40:56 PM »
Not everyone who suddenly posts something like this will be a Man Utd fan in disguise.

Unfortunately some people are just fucking thick.
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« Reply #7349 on: December 23, 2011, 09:41:48 PM »
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7350 on: December 23, 2011, 09:41:53 PM »
assuming evra did say sudaca (yes, big assumption, i know) this is intriguing, and is possibly where the speculation gets really interesting (well, if you're a linguist like me...)  if the above is a fair representation of the relative weight of the two words evra finds himself in a dilemma. 

as a european (well, an african, but one who moved to europe at a very young age) and an accomplished polyglot, the understanding of sudaca evra has would likely be from the 'standard' (i.e. from spain) european version of the language.  by all accounts the word sudaca in that context is utterly reprehensible and viciously racist and he should be charged and banned immediately.

now the alternative view evra could realistically take is that he was using it in its south american context (knowing that suarez is from uruguay), which based on the above account is less of a racial slur, and he is less blameworthy.  but it is inconceivable (to me at least) that he can claim this sort of cultural appreciation of the nuances of south american spanish, and yet still be unaware of the cultural significance of the words suarez is alleged to have used.  similarly, if the FA believe evra's culturally specific reading of sudaca, then why can they not do the same for suarez?
Evra finds himself in no dilemma.... He has been charged with nothing...


If he did say it I'm sure he will still be charged with nothing
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« Reply #7351 on: December 23, 2011, 09:42:30 PM »
in fairness the mods really should halt registrations for a while
They've been closed for a couple of months I think.
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« Reply #7352 on: December 23, 2011, 09:43:28 PM »
They've been closed for a couple of months I think.
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« Reply #7353 on: December 23, 2011, 09:44:54 PM »
Can someone explain why the report will not be released until after christmas?..,,

This whole thing stinks... the FA taking a holier than thou attitude with Fifa, and using our player as its sacrificial lamb...

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in fairness the mods really should halt registrations for a while
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Re: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)
« Reply #7355 on: December 23, 2011, 09:47:41 PM »
Can someone explain why the report will not be released until after christmas?

Simply, it takes time to write a detailed quasi-legal report, and then have it agreed as accurate by the three independent members. They often come out weeks or months after the judgement is made.

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« Reply #7356 on: December 23, 2011, 09:48:01 PM »
Evra finds himself in no dilemma.... He has been charged with nothing...


If he did say it I'm sure he will still be charged with nothing

if that is in the transcripts released would it be possible for members of the public to make a complaint to the police?

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« Reply #7357 on: December 23, 2011, 09:48:44 PM »
Simply, it takes time to write a detailed quasi-legal report, and then have it agreed as accurate by the three independent members. They often come out weeks or months after the judgement is made.
doesnt mean that they cant give some kind of explanation, after all they took an extra 3 days to make the decision yet they cant give any kind of explanation

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« Reply #7358 on: December 23, 2011, 09:53:27 PM »
if that is in the transcripts released would it be possible for members of the public to make a complaint to the police?
I don't know.....

If we could, would it be the right thing to do?

Wouldn't help the Suarez situation and would be just as petty..
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« Reply #7359 on: December 23, 2011, 09:54:27 PM »
doesnt mean that they cant give some kind of explanation, after all they took an extra 3 days to make the decision yet they cant give any kind of explanation

If it is a detailed and thorough decision then it needs a detailed and thorough explanation... not a 'he said this' lets throw him to the wolves summary. A little patience wouldn't go amiss.
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