Topic: Financial Fair Play - developments in here

[redtel]

The transfer ban being talked about is likely a misunderstanding or mis-statement by the journos. The actual punishment/s possible are UEFA refusing to allow a club to register new players for European competition or reducing the number of players able to be registered for European competition. PSG are already sounding off that they'll take UEFA through the courts, and there's also the possibility that a club such as Arsenal or Everton could take City through UEFA's own appeals procedure if their punishment is seen to be overly lenient.

This sounds a better option than fining mega rich owners.

So, if I understand, the guilty clubs could still sign players for domestic comps but these new players would not be able to be entered onto the European squad list for 2014-15? However the clubs could appeal through the courts but as this would take months the players would not be eligible for next seasons comps.

This would be a deterrent for any future,or present, rich corporation taking over a club and breaking the FFP rules.

How is the PL doing with it's policy of making all clubs "break even" at some future date? It's all gone quiet.

They could apply a similar rule that PL clubs would have no transfer ban but new players couldn't be registered to play until they complied with FFP or whatever rules the PL decide upon.

The guilty clubs could still compete in comps but would be penalised.

[Zeb]

As things stand, that's correct redtel.

The Premier League rules which just about scraped through the clubs' voting are here.

[Fanxxxxtastic]

Michel Platini : 'No clubs to be excluded from Europe for breaching FFP rules'
• Uefa president reveals sanctions to be announced next month
• 'If you are expecting blood and tears you'll be disappointed'




No clubs will be kicked out of European competition next season for breaking financial fair play rules, Uefa president Michel Platini said in an interview on Thursday.

Uefa's financial fair play (FFP) policy, designed to stop clubs spending more than they generate, comes into effect next season with a maximum penalty of exclusion from European competition for those failing to comply.

"In effect, the first decisions will be announced at the start of May," Platini told Le Parisien newspaper in an interview published on its website.

"But if you are expecting blood and tears and you will be disappointed. There will be some tough things but no exclusions from European competition."

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/apr/24/michel-platini-uefa-champions-league-ffp?CMP=twt_gu

[RedRedTom]

*Lack of developments in here.

[Ray K]

Michel Platini : 'No clubs to be excluded from Europe for breaching FFP rules'

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

[clinical]

It was never going to happen in the first few years, they will get a small fine and a future warning that they need to improve. If not expect 10 more fines before exclusion

[Skeeve]

While it is easy to mock FFP for being toothless, it actually isn't that unreasonable that the first year of penalties would not include the ultimate sanctions available to uefa.

If you think about it for a second, clubs would have fought exclusions through the courts probably, whereas they are more likely to accept fines and then next year uefa can turn around and say you accepted your punishments last season, had another year to sort things out and still have not done so and now we will exclude you and the clubs wouldn't really have any grounds to appeal other than demonstrating that they have made significant strides towards becoming compliant with the rules.

[gazzalfc]

Hold on... They are not going to throw the ultra rich clubs out of Europes most lucrative competition?

I'm sure Gazprom, Heineken, Sony etc are devastated about this news.

[red-5times-indian]

Excluding teams from Europe was never fair in my opinion. How can you expect clubs to clear debt/break even while taking out one of their main revenue sources. Maybe some sort of an incoming transfer embargo or increasing home quota players or something like that.

[lionel_messias]

It was never going to happen in the first few years, they will get a small fine and a future warning that they need to improve. If not expect 10 more fines before exclusion

Fines. The best way to upset Billionaire Oil Magnates. Every time.

[peachybum]

Nobodies going to get banned unless they totally take the piss year after year. The two strongest sanctions that i hope they use are not allowing new players to be registered for European competitions and points deductions. I thing if they do those things and are strong then clubs may start to change. If it's just fine's and warnings nobody will take any notice.

[mkferdy]

Fines are never going to be the solution, excluding teams on a first offence would be very harsh, transfer bans are the only other punishment I can think off that would actually effect the oil rich clubs.

[Solomon Grundy]

All of a sudden he doesn't seem as bothered about kicking clubs out of Europe since PSG and Monaco have been spending above their means.

[No Appreciation of Liverpool Opposition]

FFP is the same mess they get when they try and implement banking regulation. It's like telling a hot chick you're gonna break up with her if she does something. You're gonna keep moving the goal posts so that you don't have to. The best thing Uefa could have done is given the FA's for the respective countries 20 percent of all champions league revenue and told them to put it into cup football.

[rickardinho1]

Hit them on the pitch with bans on player registration in European competitions. Thats the only place they'll hit the deep-pocket clubs

[turkish kopite]

I read something about 5th may. It says uefa will announce the banned teams till 5th may. Is it confirmed?

[turkish kopite]

informations needed 

[Zeb]

I read something about 5th may. It says uefa will announce the banned teams till 5th may. Is it confirmed?

Around the 5th, but no fixed date has been given because there's potentially negotiations between clubs in breach and UEFA over sanctions.

[Wiss_LFC]

Uefa offer Manchester City & PSG settlements for alleged breaches of financial fair play #SSN

 

[TepidT2O]

Uefa offer Manchester City & PSG settlements for alleged breaches of financial fair play #SSN

 

So what are they saying?

Give us some money and you can carry on?

How is that helping to keep a level playing field??

It won't effect them one iota....

Sigh....  They'll only get worse now

[Twelfth Man]

Uefa offer Manchester City & PSG settlements for alleged breaches of financial fair play #SSN

 

Joke. Can other teams take them to court? Read something like that a while back.

[peachybum]

Joke. Can other teams take them to court? Read something like that a while back.

Other teams can appeal if they think the sanctions are too lenient.

However i think a £50K fine for both should put an end to all this financial doping. 

[Wiss_LFC]

So what are they saying?

Give us some money and you can carry on?

Exactly that by the looks of it, this financial fair play was never going to happen. Uefa don't have the cojones to slap bans on teams..

[AB LFC]

UEFA and FIFA are just a bunch of old men who love money, so this doesnt surprise me.

[Twelfth Man]

All of a sudden he doesn't seem as bothered about kicking clubs out of Europe since PSG and Monaco have been spending above their means.

His son has a lucrative job in Qatar.

[McSquared]

Exactly that by the looks of it, this financial fair play was never going to happen. Uefa don't have the cojones to slap bans on teams..

Says here the settlement could be anything, not just cash

https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/football-city-psg-breach-ffp-rules-183417466--sow.html

[Wiss_LFC]

Says here the settlement could be anything, not just cash

https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/football-city-psg-breach-ffp-rules-183417466--sow.html

It's not just about cash though, why are they even offering settlements to clubs who have clearly broken the rules! They should be banned no questions asked, not ''spend all the money you want, don't worry if you break the rules we will help you out''

[TepidT2O]

Like Platini is going to screw PSG when his son works for them....


It stinks

[Zeb]

Cynicism's really understandable, but I think this is already having the desired impact upon clubs. eg Chelsea had to sell Mata to fund Matic and before that Sturridge was sold to us to help their FFP finances out. Who did City reinforce with over January? How many of their current squad are going to need to be moved on for them to squeeze through next year? UEFA are trumpeting losses across European football have almost halved from their peak which is clearly not going to be without effects.

It's not news that no-one will be banned first time round, nor that City are in breach. But how would City get on if any new signings for this summer can't be registered for CL football until they are in compliance? Is there a cascading effect if their CL money is withheld from them but they're still expected to be in compliance without it (a 'fine')? All sorts of fun questions ahead depending on the sanctions which get imposed.

[Ray K]

From the FootballLaw blog, among the PSG sanctions proposed are a limit on transfer market activities (not a ban, but an unspecified limit) and a reduction of the CL panel from 25 players to 20.
Points deduction from CL pool also being considered but not among the proposed sanctions.

[Zeb]

From the FootballLaw blog, among the PSG sanctions proposed are a limit on transfer market activities (not a ban, but an unspecified limit) and a reduction of the CL panel from 25 players to 20.
Points deduction from CL pool also being considered but not among the proposed sanctions.

Was just trying to find the L'Equipe piece on it. But having to reach a genuine break even by 2015/16, with an implied 'or else', is horrific for PSG. They only got somewhere close with the dubious sponsorship deal with QTA. This is a bit more than 100k Euro fines. Of course PSG are taking the piss to an absurd level, but if these sanctions are true then UEFA are absolutely confident they've got the backing at European level to see off any challenges from the sanctioned clubs.

[Walshy nMe®]

They should start all teams who have breached rules on -3 points.

Or play their home games in front of the away fans only.

Or only be able to register a maximum of 18 players for the competition they are in.

Has to be non financial, otherwise it's all a load of bollocks.

[Il Capitano]

UEFA's grand plan:

[royhendo]

Could be the thread of the summer this.

[TepidT2O]

So, the twitter word is this;

PSG will be told to break even by 2016
There will be restrictions on buying players (who knows what)
They will be limited to 20 players rather than 25 in CL squad
They must reduce personnel costs.

Whether the sanctions will be one, some or all of these remains to be seen.

To be honest, I'm certain that if the sanctions are severe, then they will be challenged in court and overturned on some silly technicality.


This from @footballLaw a chap called Daniel Geey who's a prominent football lawyer (it seems)

[Zeb]

Herbert in the Indie is claiming that City have failed over selling image rights and intellectual property to themselves. That's actually a huge blow for City because their great wheeze for finding a way round the regulations was to use the other teams they own to funnel money back into City, in fact on the back of it they were all full of optimism about how they'd break even and make profits etc etc etc. Just to put that £46m into perspective, in a good year under FSG and holding very tight control of our wage bill we see around £40m in net cash leave the club in transfer fees.

[Gods_Left_Boot]

Herbert in the Indie is claiming that City have failed over selling image rights and intellectual property to themselves. That's actually a huge blow for City because their great wheeze for finding a way round the regulations was to use the other teams they own to funnel money back into City, in fact on the back of it they were all full of optimism about how they'd break even and make profits etc etc etc. Just to put that £46m into perspective, in a good year under FSG and holding very tight control of our wage bill we see around £40m in net cash leave the club in transfer fees.

Did they get away with their owners buying a few thousand spare tickets for their home games against WBA and Sunderland? 

[Zeb]

Did they get away with their owners buying a few thousand spare tickets for their home games against WBA and Sunderland? 

Probably one to ask someone who thinks/thought that?  Even if true, and outside of people's imaginations it doesn't seem to be, it's change down the back of the sofa in comparison to what they are in breach for.

[rocco]

Just deduct 1 point from this seasons premierleague

Seems fair

[No666]

This is getting interesting.