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Sunak’s family firm signed a billion-dollar deal with BP before PM opened new North Sea licences. The CEO of one of Infosys' other major clients, Shell, also joined Rishi Sunak's new business council two weeks ago.


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Fake grass is an abomination and Nobby Reserve is a shill for the petrochemical industry. They astroturfed the local school and local park, it burns the skin in the Australian summer. Disgraceful, distasteful, humanity at its worst (well, second worst after leaf blowers)

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Fake grass is an abomination and Nobby Reserve is a shill for the petrochemical industry. They astroturfed the local school and local park, it burns the skin in the Australian summer. Disgraceful, distasteful, humanity at its worst (well, second worst after leaf blowers)

I agree!

And don't get me started on leaf blowers/vacs  ;D Nature doesn't need tidying. leaves degrade into the soil, keeping it healthy and feeding the earthworms (and all the other little critters in there).  It's called nutrient cycling.

I'll never understand the culture (or obsession) of manicured lawns.  On a green or fairway perhaps, but not in a back garden.

I've turned my lawn into a wildflower meadow - five years of maturity now, and it's looking great!
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Manicured lawns are an obsession here too, and quite an unhealthy one because soft, lush, dark green lawns aren't really compatible with the Australian climate, they are very much a colonial affectation. I too like to let nature take its course with mine; I let leaves and flower clippings rot, and have a pile of lawnmower cuttings that is home to about a billion worms.

I was watching Bluey with my kids this afternoon and there's an episode where they're playing in the yard and the dad spends hours mesmerised by the vein patterns on a leaf. I'm a bit like that too, I get a big therapeutic rush from weeding, do the edging with long handled scissors instead of the noisy convenience of a whipper snipper, and I like to lie on the grass when it's dry and watch the bees in the clover and all the other little life forms in the miniature forest the lawn provides.

It never ceases to disgust me how people in this city continually knock down old homes with mature gardens and build these cubic monstrosities that cover nearly every square inch of the block in concrete and plastic. On a summer day you can walk down my street and the temperature goes up 5-10 degrees when you pass a new build. Oh, but they have solar panels! We're saved!
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I agree!

And don't get me started on leaf blowers/vacs  ;D Nature doesn't need tidying. leaves degrade into the soil, keeping it healthy and feeding the earthworms (and all the other little critters in there).  It's called nutrient cycling.

I'll never understand the culture (or obsession) of manicured lawns.  On a green or fairway perhaps, but not in a back garden.

I've turned my lawn into a wildflower meadow - five years of maturity now, and it's looking great!

I'm an admin on a Facebook gardening group and it drives me mad when people ask why they can't get their little patch of green perfect or why matching plants either side of an entryway don't look identical 😠

Nature isn't perfect and expecting/wanting perfection from it leads to unnecessary anxiety, stress and a bad mental state. 

Just fucking enjoy it's perfect imperfections 👍

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Manicured lawns baffle me, and if you have a big lawn, it's an awful lot of work. I have a small wildflower patch to attract pollinators, which also pollinate the veggies I'm growing. The garden is literally buzzing.

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Manicured lawns are an obsession here too, and quite an unhealthy one because soft, lush, dark green lawns aren't really compatible with the Australian climate, they are very much a colonial affectation. I too like to let nature take its course with mine; I let leaves and flower clippings rot, and have a pile of lawnmower cuttings that is home to about a billion worms.

I was watching Bluey with my kids this afternoon and there's an episode where they're playing in the yard and the dad spends hours mesmerised by the vein patterns on a leaf. I'm a bit like that too, I get a big therapeutic rush from weeding, do the edging with long handled scissors instead of the noisy convenience of a whipper snipper, and I like to lie on the grass when it's dry and watch the bees in the clover and all the other little life forms in the miniature forest the lawn provides.

It never ceases to disgust me how people in this city continually knock down old homes with mature gardens and build these cubic monstrosities that cover nearly every square inch of the block in concrete and plastic. On a summer day you can walk down my street and the temperature goes up 5-10 degrees when you pass a new build. Oh, but they have solar panels! We're saved!

The amount of construction jobs I did in Melbourne for people putting shitty extentions on top of their gardens for their already massive homes was crazy. Or just concreting or flagging over their garden. Madness.

To be fair I did work for a guy who lived on the outskirts of the city, and he said the reason he mowed/manicured his lawn was to: 1) Discourage deadly snakes, and 2) To prevent scrub that might catch during wild fires.

As for leaf blowing, agreed! People take away the sources of nutrients for the soil and wander why their grass doesn't grow.

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Leak reveals ‘touchy’ issues for UAE’s presidency of UN climate summit

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“The UN climate talks have become an oil and gas industry trade show, not the flagship for climate action. An entire industry has successfully co-opted the process and is leading us in a death spiral to climate catastrophe. How far are we prepared to go to make sure that doesn’t happen?”

The document also lists responses to a long series of sensitive issues unrelated to climate and energy including: money laundering, war crimes in Yemen, political prisoners, surveillance and spying, LGBTQIA+ community, freedom of expression, women’s rights and people trafficking. Homosexual sex is illegal in the UAE and journalists have to be registered with the state.


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Manicured lawns baffle me, and if you have a big lawn, it's an awful lot of work. I have a small wildflower patch to attract pollinators, which also pollinate the veggies I'm growing. The garden is literally buzzing.

At least most mature lawns will have plants other than grass, and plenty of creatures in the soil. Plastic grass is horrible. I find the very thought of it disturbingly dystopian.

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I'm an admin on a Facebook gardening group and it drives me mad when people ask why they can't get their little patch of green perfect or why matching plants either side of an entryway don't look identical 😠

Nature isn't perfect and expecting/wanting perfection from it leads to unnecessary anxiety, stress and a bad mental state. 

Just fucking enjoy it's perfect imperfections 👍

It's the perfect imperfections that make it so wonderful, and also really important for our survival.  They don't call it 'Biodiversity' for nothing.  Nothing would work or survive, if it was all the same.  It's the differences/diversity that make links,connections, cycles resilient.

People that like drive me nuts! I don't know if it's a certain dempgraphic that is more likely to be like that.  I love the fact that purple flowers (bluebells, knapweed, orchids etc.) can range from white, to pink, to purple.

My neighbour was telling me how much he loved nature, whilst flame-throwing the 'weeds' in their garden  ;D


I would give discounts to council tax bills, for people that enhance their houses/gardens for nature and the climate.  I'd also penalise people that destroy their gardens by building houses on it etc., or laying artificial grass.
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It's the perfect imperfections that make it so wonderful, and also really important for our survival.  They don't call it 'Biodiversity' for nothing.  Nothing would work or survive, if it was all the same.  It's the differences/diversity that make links,connections, cycles resilient.

People that like drive me nuts! I don't know if it's a certain dempgraphic that is more likely to be like that.  I love the fact that purple flowers (bluebells, knapweed, orchids etc.) can range from white, to pink, to purple.

My neighbour was telling me how much he loved nature, whilst flame-throwing the 'weeds' in their garden  ;D


I would give discounts to council tax bills, for people that enhance their houses/gardens for nature and the climate.  I'd also penalise people that destroy their gardens by building houses on it etc., or laying artificial grass.

Absolutely all that mate. 

On the council part though, they're to blame for a lot of loss of habitat when they agree to planning applications.

We're battling the planners here who refuse to withdraw permission to destroy nearly 30 acres of ancient woodland, that's also a SSSi to build a holiday park housing 250 chalets.


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At least most mature lawns will have plants other than grass, and plenty of creatures in the soil. Plastic grass is horrible. I find the very thought of it disturbingly dystopian.

It is. And it kind of reflects the lack of awareness of the plastic problem and of the biodiversity crisis, which is a bit disheartening. I'm glad it's causing problems and people are ditching it but really it shouldn't be sold in the first place.

Ach, I guess my issue with manicured lawn stems from renting a place that has a massive lawn, which the landlord wanted cut on a weekly basis. It could've been such a great wildlife haven, but no. So many people like lawns neat and tidy to the point that they'll complain to the council if someone's not meeting their expectations. It bothers me on several levels  >:(

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Yeah, expansive lawns are annoying and needless. Especially when the most low maintenance thing you could have is a wildflower meadow. The problem is the pursuit of perfection and the illusion of control. My wife said something years ago when I was whinging about doing weeding that stuck with me (she doubtless heard it elsewhere): the easiest way to get rid of weeds is to call them wildflowers. Basically, you just need to embrace the diversity. 

Our deeds, like all the houses in our development, have a provision that our front lawn has to be mowed grass. It's a sizeable area. I want to see if anyone tries to enforce it when I let it grow wild.

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Re: Climate Emergency is already here. How much worse it gets is still up to us (?)
« Reply #4137 on: September 16, 2023, 01:35:16 am »

"OUR HOUSE IS ON FIRE"



So proud and inspired by the youth here in Oregon today. Portland along with at least eight other cities had marches this afternoon. 21 schools here in PDX had students involved. I happened on 400-500 peaceful protestors in downtown earlier. This will catch on I hope with the rest of the country.

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« Reply #4138 on: September 16, 2023, 01:37:36 am »
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« Reply #4139 on: September 16, 2023, 09:32:08 am »
"OUR HOUSE IS ON FIRE"



So proud and inspired by the youth here in Oregon today. Portland along with at least eight other cities had marches this afternoon. 21 schools here in PDX had students involved. I happened on 400-500 peaceful protestors in downtown earlier. This will catch on I hope with the rest of the country.

Great stuff.

The youth are definitely putting other demographics to shame, on this one.

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« Reply #4140 on: September 17, 2023, 08:36:19 pm »
Great stuff.

The youth are definitely putting other demographics to shame, on this one.

They were back at again last night with plans also for tonight. Then they are saying they will be out at least every other evening.

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 NYC Climate Week: Health Professionals Demand Fossil Fuel Phase Out Ahead UN Climate Ambition Summit

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The health sector is on the front line of the response to the devastating impacts on health we’re already seeing, from floods and heatwaves, from wildfires and the spread of diseases – and we’ve been calling for additional investment to strengthen health systems in the face of these impacts. But unless governments also quit making the crisis worse by continuing to burn fossil fuels, we will quickly exceed the protections any health system can offer.

Corporate profits should never come at the expense of our health. Pollution and the climate crisis directly impacts our health and disproportionately affects our most vulnerable communities, already suffering from the deep inequalities inherent in our current for-profit healthcare system. We are marching because we recognize that our fight for single-payer, universal healthcare for all and health justice is inextricably linked to the fight for racial justice, environmental justice, and an end to fossil fuels.


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Re: Climate Emergency is already here. How much worse it gets is still up to us (?)
« Reply #4142 on: September 18, 2023, 04:41:23 pm »
https://www.channel4.com/programmes/chris-packham-is-it-time-to-break-the-law

Chris Packham attempts to resolve a key dilemma of our times: is it ethically acceptable to break the law to protest against government policies on climate change?

Channel 4 - Wed 20 Sep, 9pm

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« Reply #4143 on: September 18, 2023, 04:44:26 pm »
https://www.channel4.com/programmes/chris-packham-is-it-time-to-break-the-law

Chris Packham attempts to resolve a key dilemma of our times: is it ethically acceptable to break the law to protest against government policies on climate change?

Channel 4 - Wed 20 Sep, 9pm

Yes

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« Reply #4144 on: September 18, 2023, 04:48:53 pm »
Yes

Simple as that
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And whilst not looking to derail the thread, I think the answer extends to all government policy.

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« Reply #4145 on: September 18, 2023, 04:50:57 pm »
https://www.channel4.com/programmes/chris-packham-is-it-time-to-break-the-law

Chris Packham attempts to resolve a key dilemma of our times: is it ethically acceptable to break the law to protest against government policies on climate change?

Channel 4 - Wed 20 Sep, 9pm

Already got it set to record 👍

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« Reply #4146 on: September 19, 2023, 08:59:43 am »
100%

And whilst not looking to derail the thread, I think the answer extends to all government policy.

It's interesting to see that those who oppose the actions of Just Stop Oil, for example, fully support ULEZ cameras being vandalised. Looking forward to Packham's take.

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Re: Climate Emergency is already here. How much worse it gets is still up to us (?)
« Reply #4147 on: September 19, 2023, 09:10:47 am »
https://www.channel4.com/programmes/chris-packham-is-it-time-to-break-the-law

Chris Packham attempts to resolve a key dilemma of our times: is it ethically acceptable to break the law to protest against government policies on climate change?

Channel 4 - Wed 20 Sep, 9pm

Should be good, but seeing as the Tories have made moves to basically make protesting illegal, "yes"

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« Reply #4148 on: September 19, 2023, 09:40:47 am »
https://www.channel4.com/programmes/chris-packham-is-it-time-to-break-the-law

Chris Packham attempts to resolve a key dilemma of our times: is it ethically acceptable to break the law to protest against government policies on climate change?

Channel 4 - Wed 20 Sep, 9pm

Make it a constitutional right like in Montana.
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« Reply #4149 on: September 19, 2023, 11:23:55 am »
Protester who held sign outside London climate trial prosecuted

Trudi Warner, 68, prosecuted for contempt of court after protest outside London court


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A retired social worker who held up a placard about the rights of jurors outside a trial of climate protesters is being prosecuted for contempt of court by the solicitor general.

The decision to prosecute Trudi Warner, 68, came as it emerged the police were separately investigating at least 12 people on suspicion of attempting to pervert the course of justice for holding up similar signs outside a London court.

Warner, who held up a sign outside Inner London crown court earlier this year on the rights of jurors, has been told in a letter she is to be prosecuted for contempt of court by Michael Tomlinson KC, the solicitor general – a government minister and the Conservative MP for Mid Dorset and North Poole – lawyers confirmed. The case will take place in the high court.

She protested after a judge imposed restrictions on defendants in a series of climate trials that prevented them from mentioning climate change, insulation, fuel poverty or their motivations for taking action during their trials. The civil rights group Liberty labelled the restrictions “deeply concerning”.

Several people who ignored the judge’s restrictions have been jailed for contempt of court. Amy Pritchard and Giovanna Lewis, who were both jailed for seven weeks after they ignored the judge’s ruling not to mention climate change in their address to the jury, are appealing against their conviction for contempt of court.

Warner, who witnessed some of the trials, sat outside Inner London crown court holding a sign that read: “Jurors: you have an absolute right to acquit a defendant according to your conscience.”

She was committed to the Old Bailey for contempt of court proceedings, where a high court judge referred the case to Tomlinson, to decide whether to pursue contempt proceedings or charge her with attempting to pervert the course of justice. He wrote to Warner last Thursday to say he had decided to prosecute her for contempt of court.

A separate investigation is ongoing into allegations of attempting to pervert the course of justice relating to at least 12 people who stood outside Inner London crown court in May holding placards. The inquiry, which is being led by the public order crime unit, is in its early stages.

The 12 have received letters from the Metropolitan police’s specialist public order unit that state: “You have recently been identified as taking part in an incident outside the Inner London crown court … whereby you were seated outside of the court and held a placard with the words; ‘The right of juries – to give their verdict according to their convictions’, in a place where both witnesses and jurors attending trials … could not avoid seeing them.”

The letter went on: “This may amount to an offence under the common law of attempting to pervert the course of justice.”

Tim Crosland, a lawyer and one of those being investigated by the Met, said: “It’s surreal. On the one hand it’s terrifying because that is the situation in this country at the moment, and on the other hand I feel like we are revealing something truthful about the situation, the extreme repression that is happening in this country at the moment in relation to people holding the government to account … and the repression that is happening in courts around trials for people exposing the government’s lies and how desperate the state is to prevent a jury reaching not guilty verdicts in these climate cases.”

The investigation was sparked after Judge Silas Reid referred 24 people to the attorney general this summer after they protested outside his court in May. The group staged a two-day protest outside Inner London crown court in May, holding placards that read: “Jurors have an absolute right to acquit a defendant according to their conscience.”

Scotland Yard said: “On Friday, 21 July the Met received an allegation of perverting the course of justice relating to activity outside of Inner London crown court on Monday 15 May. An investigation is being carried out; no arrests have been made.”

A spokesperson for the attorney general’s Office said: “Contempt of court is a serious matter and the power to issue proceedings is used sparingly. When investigating potential contempt issues, the law officers assess whether the evidential test for the specific form of contempt is met.

“In this case, the law officers considered the deliberate act of doing something that interferes or creates a real risk of interference with the administration of justice, and whether it is in the public interest to begin proceedings for contempt.

“We can confirm the solicitor general has determined to institute proceedings against Trudi Warner in the public interest, it will now be a matter for the court.”


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/19/protester-who-held-sign-outside-london-climate-trial-prosecuted

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« Reply #4150 on: September 19, 2023, 12:58:32 pm »
Protester who held sign outside London climate trial prosecuted

Trudi Warner, 68, prosecuted for contempt of court after protest outside London court



https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/19/protester-who-held-sign-outside-london-climate-trial-prosecuted



This is chilling. It cuts straight to the heart of the justice system, and how these evil Tory scum are trying to curtail established legal rights for people.

This Byline Times article gives some further detail:

https://bylinetimes.com/2023/09/18/activist-who-held-sign-outside-court-informing-jurors-of-right-to-acquit-insulate-britain-activists-could-face-two-years-in-jail/



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« Reply #4151 on: September 19, 2023, 01:33:06 pm »
The carbon footprint from a single Premier league football match is absolutely huge. 61% of that footprint is fans travelling to matches. If we want to play our part maybe it's time the league looked at some sort of system where only fans who use public transport can attend matches and maybe even ban away fans altogether. It's all well and good pointing fingers but what part is each and every fan playing?

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"By way of example, last season Liverpool FC flew from Newcastle back to Liverpool instead of using road travel. The flight was 33 minutes long with 3,000kg of carbon emissions. The corresponding coach journey would have taken 3 hours with 135kg of carbon emissions. However, Liverpool justified their choice by focusing on the fact they had a very short turnaround to their next game and returning so quickly from their fixture against Newcastle aided their preparation. For those clubs playing in Europe and other international competitions, air travel may be unavoidable"
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« Reply #4152 on: September 19, 2023, 01:43:43 pm »


When it comes to the environment, most sport is shocking!

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« Reply #4153 on: September 19, 2023, 01:55:52 pm »
Protester who held sign outside London climate trial prosecuted

Trudi Warner, 68, prosecuted for contempt of court after protest outside London court



https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/19/protester-who-held-sign-outside-london-climate-trial-prosecuted

Is this satire? 'Kinell.

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« Reply #4154 on: September 19, 2023, 01:57:58 pm »
When it comes to the environment, most sport is shocking!

Yeah it really is but that's for other sports to get their house in order. The point im making is i see and hear a lot of posters here point fingers at whoever, the tories, big business, big oil etc... but what about looking in the mirror? Would they give in away European games to help? How about not travelling London for games etc... Listen im as bad as anyone, i live in Dublin and travelled over for games 3-4 times a year up until a few years back and now i haven't been over in ages and i do miss it but i do want a world for my kids and grandkids to be able to enjoy also. Just think everyone needs to be real about just how bad this crisis is and stop blaming anyone but themselves.
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« Reply #4155 on: September 19, 2023, 02:01:03 pm »


This is chilling
. It cuts straight to the heart of the justice system, and how these evil Tory scum are trying to curtail established legal rights for people.

This Byline Times article gives some further detail:

https://bylinetimes.com/2023/09/18/activist-who-held-sign-outside-court-informing-jurors-of-right-to-acquit-insulate-britain-activists-could-face-two-years-in-jail/

It is.

Hopefully, we kick the bastards out before they can do even more damage to our democracy and civil liberties.

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« Reply #4156 on: September 19, 2023, 03:21:49 pm »
Is this satire? 'Kinell.

No, just the ugly face of fascism and autocracy.

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« Reply #4157 on: September 19, 2023, 03:33:54 pm »
When it comes to the environment, most sport is shocking!

I think all sport needs to take a serious look at itself and put a stop to all their expansion plans and extra tournaments.

Apart from the extortionate costs involved in hosting, see the commonwealth games, it really is unacceptable the amount of travel involved.

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« Reply #4158 on: September 19, 2023, 08:49:13 pm »
Protester who held sign outside London climate trial prosecuted

Trudi Warner, 68, prosecuted for contempt of court after protest outside London court



https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/19/protester-who-held-sign-outside-london-climate-trial-prosecuted

Wait, what - the judge said the defendants weren't allowed to mention the reasons for their actions? What the actual fuck?
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« Reply #4159 on: September 19, 2023, 09:12:49 pm »
The carbon footprint from a single Premier league football match is absolutely huge. 61% of that footprint is fans travelling to matches. If we want to play our part maybe it's time the league looked at some sort of system where only fans who use public transport can attend matches and maybe even ban away fans altogether. It's all well and good pointing fingers but what part is each and every fan playing?

https://www.nortonrosefulbright.com/en/inside-sports-law/blog/2023/06/the-english-premier-league-time-to-get-green#:~:text=A%20recent%20study%20by%20InfoGr8,homes%20for%20an%20entire%20year.

"By way of example, last season Liverpool FC flew from Newcastle back to Liverpool instead of using road travel. The flight was 33 minutes long with 3,000kg of carbon emissions. The corresponding coach journey would have taken 3 hours with 135kg of carbon emissions. However, Liverpool justified their choice by focusing on the fact they had a very short turnaround to their next game and returning so quickly from their fixture against Newcastle aided their preparation. For those clubs playing in Europe and other international competitions, air travel may be unavoidable"
Yeah it really is but that's for other sports to get their house in order. The point im making is i see and hear a lot of posters here point fingers at whoever, the tories, big business, big oil etc... but what about looking in the mirror? Would they give in away European games to help? How about not travelling London for games etc... Listen im as bad as anyone, i live in Dublin and travelled over for games 3-4 times a year up until a few years back and now i haven't been over in ages and i do miss it but i do want a world for my kids and grandkids to be able to enjoy also. Just think everyone needs to be real about just how bad this crisis is and stop blaming anyone but themselves.
Well. That's a difficult sell for around here. The carbon footprint generated by fans travelling to football matches (even more so, by to international matches) has occurred to me before. But as some of you already know, I am not much of a football fan. It would have been all too easy for me to make the suggestion that football fans should not travel to away games, so I never posted my thoughts on the matter.

It takes a lot of self-reflection to actually make real changes to our personal habits - to inconvenience ourselves or actually lose something - to help effect change more generally. I salute you for both making the sacrifice, and for posting about it.
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