Topic: Suarez gets it spot on

[shelovesyou]

Calling Jen! Calling Jen!!  Action stations! Action stations! Calling Jen!!

[Rossie]

I want to hear Dave Whelan's take on this.

cheers for that, best laugh I've had all day!

[kennedy81]

Russia Today is always stirring the pot.
It wouldn't surprise me if they are just using Luis as a means of having a pop at the FA, after all that grief over the 2018 World Cup voting a while back.

[mullerbugs]

I doubt our PR obsessed owners will be too happy with this,he'll probably get sold for a striker that gives non-controversial friendly interviews.

Thats the point if they'd gotten off their backsides and employed a proper PR team to deal with this we wouldnt have got the globally poor exposure that we recieved. Both Terry and Messi have had similar allegations with none of the repurcussions in fact both stories died a death.
Suarez was an easy target due to his past and yet we allowed it to be handled in such an amateur like fashion.

[RedHopper]

oh for god's sake, I only started posting because I saw that title, and I'm afraid that this means he's going to leave. This is a very bad thing to happen. If the FA take action against him again, and you know what they are like, I can see him go. He clearly means what he says and he firmly believes it, so how will he respond to another disciplinary charge?

And I'm not a windup merchant, I just want this to stop. This has been an absolute disaster from beginning to end. This is just one of those situations in life where you can't win. The club recognize that at some point everyone is convinced, and fighting on only makes a bad situation worse. And you can kind of see their point. The best thing is to move on. For better or worse, pretty much everyone at the club has been fired, so it is time to start again with a clean slate.  2011-12 didn't go so well, but 2012-13 is going to be a bright new day. And now this comes up again.

The news should be all about the new manager and what he is going to be doing, but what do you think they'll be talking about instead?

[SpartanTree. No deccies or lights.]

I don't care about that. what's done is done. His responsibility is to liverpool football club, and they have said that it is over. he can talk about it when he retires, or when he is at another club, but he's a professional footballer, and he has a duty to keep his mouth shut, so we can all move on. Nothing he says is going to change anyone's mind. There's no point. it just makes us look bad to keep this going.

We might love Luis for what he does on the pitch, but he has a duty to act in the interests of the club, and he's not doing that. Instead of cheering him on, we should be calling him on it. Are we primarily liverpool fans, or luis suarez fans?

For instance, I wasn't very impressed with the whole handshake business either. The club wanted him to shake evra's hand so everyone could move on, he told the manager he was going to shake his hand, and having done that, he should have tried to force evra to shake his hand. Instead it didn't happen, and king kenny was made look very bad in an interview, and it only made the situation worse. Whatever about the rights and wrongs, his duty as a professional, and as an employee of liverpool football club was to grab evra's hand. He allowed a bad situation to happen.

I will be deeply unimpressed with him if he's trying to engineer a move after all of the support he has received. He owes us the fans who have shown him nothing but unconditional love, and the club who pay him so handsomely and supported him to the hilt.

He was under no obligation to shake Evra's hand.  Personally, i would have done the same thing - in fact I would have made it clear beforehand that I didn't want to shake his hand.

Nothing to suggest that he's trying to do that so you can fuck off with that bullshit.   

[liverpoolfan1]

oh for god's sake, I only started posting because I saw that title, and I'm afraid that this means he's going to leave. This is a very bad thing to happen. If the FA take action against him again, and you know what they are like, I can see him go. He clearly means what he says and he firmly believes it, so how will he respond to another disciplinary charge?

And I'm not a windup merchant, I just want this to stop. This has been an absolute disaster from beginning to end. This is just one of those situations in life where you can't win. The club recognize that at some point everyone is convinced, and fighting on only makes a bad situation worse. And you can kind of see their point. The best thing is to move on. For better or worse, pretty much everyone at the club has been fired, so it is time to start again with a clean slate.  2011-12 didn't go so well, but 2012-13 is going to be a bright new day. And now this comes up again.

The news should be all about the new manager and what he is going to be doing, but what do you think they'll be talking about instead?

4 posts in your entire time here and all in this thread. I wonder why?

And are you the one who has been branded a racist? If so then feel free to tell Suarez off for trying to clear his name. Otherwise if you really "just want this to stop" my first suggestion would be to ignore this thread.

 

[kcbworth]

Understand mate, but personally I think he has every right to defend himself, particularly given barely a day goes by without some reference to racism and Suarez (e.g. "Joey Barton only assaulted something and got 12 whole games, whereas Suarez committed a much worse crime"). I think it's grossly unfair to expect him to just grin and bear it.

[East of Anfield]

oh for god's sake, I only started posting because I saw that title, and I'm afraid that this means he's going to leave. This is a very bad thing to happen. If the FA take action against him again, and you know what they are like, I can see him go. He clearly means what he says and he firmly believes it, so how will he respond to another disciplinary charge?

And I'm not a windup merchant, I just want this to stop. This has been an absolute disaster from beginning to end. This is just one of those situations in life where you can't win. The club recognize that at some point everyone is convinced, and fighting on only makes a bad situation worse. And you can kind of see their point. The best thing is to move on. For better or worse, pretty much everyone at the club has been fired, so it is time to start again with a clean slate.  2011-12 didn't go so well, but 2012-13 is going to be a bright new day. And now this comes up again.

The news should be all about the new manager and what he is going to be doing, but what do you think they'll be talking about instead?

Bet when this thred gets lock or forgotten,we won't see him/her posting ever again

[petecolonia]

Can't believe all the Liverpool fans who still can't see that this should be a non-issue

[planet-terror]

Well said Luis,

[tonysleft]

I'm interested to hear why people think he was stitched up or totally innocent and convicted without any proof. Suarez did admit to using the word negro to Evra, a slur that we commonly accept as being racist when used in a heated confrontation or fight, which the two were certainly locked in at the time.

[DangerScouse]

Well in Luis, perfectly entitled to air his side of events. Fuck Patrice Evra, fuck the F.A.

[kcbworth]

Can't believe all the Liverpool fans who still can't see that this should be a non-issue

I think Suarez would like nothing else... for the world to accept that there was no racist intent anywhere, whatsoever, in any way, at all.

[JongWK]

I'm interested to hear why people think he was stitched up or totally innocent and convicted without any proof. Suarez did admit to using the word negro to Evra, a slur that we commonly accept as being racist when used in a heated confrontation or fight, which the two were certainly locked in at the time.

 

[tonysleft]

I think Suarez would like nothing else... for the world to accept that there was no racist intent anywhere, whatsoever, in any way, at all.

I don't think he is a racist, and I don't think anyone does barring that tabloid that ran the sensationalist "racist" headline. He admitted to using an insult that easily be taken to be racist in the circumstances though, that's pretty open and shut to me.

[kcbworth]

I'm interested to hear why people think he was stitched up or totally innocent and convicted without any proof. Suarez did admit to using the word negro to Evra, a slur that we commonly accept as being racist when used in a heated confrontation or fight, which the two were certainly locked in at the time.

English vs Spanish mate. If by "we" you mean English speakers, then maybe. When a frenchman is talking to someone in poor Spanish, and the Spanish speaker says something else in Spanish, you can't judge the Spanish words by what they mean in English. Makes no sense. Enough circumstantial evidence to backup that Suarez would not have any intent also.

Anyway, thread risks going off rails if this particular aspect of the discussion continues. For now let's try to keep it to Suarez' right to protest his innocence (or alternatively, the club's right to silence him).

[CANADAlglish]

Was right behind him then and I'm right behind him now.

A complete stitch up.

too right.
get in Luis.

[Garcepticon]

Why bring this up again? Seriously what is the point?

Suarez needs to let this drop.

[Pendzo]

Was right behind him then and I'm right behind him now.

A complete stitch up.

100%.

Fucking well in Luis. YNWA.

[helmboy_nige]

While I agree with everything he has said, I really don't think he should be giving an interview like this.  That war is over and the only people that will get hurt if this can of worms re-opens are Suarez and LFC.

It's the kind of thing that belongs in a memoir after you retire.

[Packalacky]

"Found guilty" suggests that there was evidence. There wasn't. Only one mans word against another. "Found guilty" Suggests that he was tried in a fair and just manner. He wasn't. Three men with various agendas decided something not supported by a scrap of evidence. "Found guilty" suggests that a process was followed. It wasn't. They just locked themselves away, coached their only witness and then used that coaching to unfairly decide a load of shite.

No one is arguing about that. The point is this:

Suárez re-opens Evra race row

That's the how the Guardian is leading with the story, not even bothering to look what the normal rags are saying. Do we want to go into next season with this mess still hanging over us? Is it beneficial somehow to Liverpool FC? Is it going to help us at the moment when we are getting a new manager in and rebuilding the back room staff?

The reopening of this issue is the last thing that we need to worry about right now.

[Lush is the best medicine...]

I'm interested to hear why people think he was stitched up or totally innocent and convicted without any proof. Suarez did admit to using the word negro to Evra, a slur that we commonly accept as being racist when used in a heated confrontation or fight, which the two were certainly locked in at the time.

what about the whole 'i kicked you because you're black, i dont talk to blacks' bit, you know the bit that the language experts said was bizarre and the only evidence is mr evra (despite not mentioning this after speaking to the ref) and a bizarre interpretation of a video clip where you cannot see what either man is saying

and if memory serves me right you'll find the language experts also said suarez's version wasnt racist and the more plausible of the two accounts, but 3 english people know far more than people who have a knowledge of the language

[SerbianScouser]

What a player.

[macca888]

He should have just said "Evra's a c*nt." No court in the land would convict.

[Acaustiq]

I'm interested to hear why people think he was stitched up or totally innocent and convicted without any proof. Suarez did admit to using the word negro to Evra, a slur that we commonly accept as being racist when used in a heated confrontation or fight, which the two were certainly locked in at the time.

The FA failed to establish mens rea which is what the whole notion of racism hinges on, indeed before the hearing began they decided that contra to the law the rule in question derives from (public order act of 1986) they wouldn't need to establish intent at all; and they'd just throw out hundreds of years worth of judicial precedent because they can.

[B0151?]

It's not "over" at all

Stop saying that. Ask him. It's not over for him. He's still getting thousands of people calling him racist.

Luis Suarez 100%, I'll support him even after he's left the club. He's been well and truly fcked by a mixture of bad media handling and a witch-hunt.

[aliverbirduponmychest]

Hi guys. Long time lurker, first time poster.

When I read that article, my heart sank. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the situation, it was an immensely damaging incident for Liverpool FC, and I would have thought that the most important thing was to put it in the past, and move on as quickly as possible. yesterday's headlines being tomorrow's chip wrappings, etc. As far as I know, this is official club policy. Whatever you think about what happened, the FA are going to look as those quotes as an accusation of bias, and they are almost certainly going to charge him with bringing the game into disrepute. I'm afraid that the next thing that we will hear from him will be that he has been hounded out of english football, and he'll be off to another club.

Even if that isn't his intent, bringing this up now is just bad for the club, and gives more fuel to what was a very bad story. He is a grown man, and receives a large salary from liverpool, who have stood by him through thick and thin. He owes the club a certain responsibility, and He is putting his own interests ahead of the club. As fans, I'm not sure that we should be so keen to applaud this. This interview is not a good thing. only bad things can come of it.

Fuck off knobhead. He felt  and still feels as we all did that he had been wronged. Fuck off back to long time lurking.

[Uruguayan36]

Luisito just scored against Russia...

[kcbworth]

Luisito just scored against Russia...

 

He does pretty well for Uruguay eh

[RJH]

I'm interested to hear why people think he was stitched up or totally innocent and convicted without any proof. Suarez did admit to using the word negro to Evra, a slur that we commonly accept as being racist when used in a heated confrontation or fight, which the two were certainly locked in at the time.

In English maybe, but the conversation wasn't.

He admitted using the word, he didn't admit to racism.

[kcbworth]

He does pretty well for Uruguay eh

Nice goal too! On the av thread http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=112969.20440

[God's Left Peg]

I'm interested to hear why people think he was stitched up or totally innocent and convicted without any proof. Suarez did admit to using the word negro to Evra, a slur that we commonly accept as being racist when used in a heated confrontation or fight, which the two were certainly locked in at the time.

Read the full report (I am presuming you haven't done so already).

Triangulate further by reading this:

http://forums.liverpoolfc.tv/threads/289785-Professor-in-Hispanic-Studies-dissects-the-FA%E2%80%99s-Suarez-report

[Lush is the best medicine...]

No one is arguing about that. The point is this:

Suárez re-opens Evra race row

That's the how the Guardian is leading with the story, not even bothering to look what the normal rags are saying. Do we want to go into next season with this mess still hanging over us? Is it beneficial somehow to Liverpool FC? Is it going to help us at the moment when we are getting a new manager in and rebuilding the back room staff?

The reopening of this issue is the last thing that we need to worry about right now.

think you'll find evra reopened the issue last week

[kcbworth]

Read the full report (I am presuming you haven't done so already).

Triangulate further by reading this:

http://forums.liverpoolfc.tv/threads/289785-Professor-in-Hispanic-Studies-dissects-the-FA%E2%80%99s-Suarez-report

Which was further fleshed out at http://thetroublewithfootball.blogspot.com/2012/02/analysis-of-suarez-fa-via-crowdsourcing.html

[God's Left Peg]

Which was further fleshed out at http://thetroublewithfootball.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/analysis-of-suarez-fa-via-crowdsourcing.html

... and finally, don't believe everything you read in the papers.

[Xabi_Lad]

Evra was talking about this again just last week. Why can't Luis make his feelings known. Suarez is bang on anyway and every red needs to back him.

[Pistolero]

Nice one Luis you legend in the making.......we took it rarr up the shitbox over this and in retrospect we shouldnt have accepted it and should have have appealed the dirty bent decision. Ultimately it was the King who suffered and I'll never forgive the incompetent c*nts at the FA for that

[aliverbirduponmychest]

oh for god's sake, I only started posting because I saw that title, and I'm afraid that this means he's going to leave. This is a very bad thing to happen. If the FA take action against him again, and you know what they are like, I can see him go. He clearly means what he says and he firmly believes it, so how will he respond to another disciplinary charge?

And I'm not a windup merchant, I just want this to stop. This has been an absolute disaster from beginning to end. This is just one of those situations in life where you can't win. The club recognize that at some point everyone is convinced, and fighting on only makes a bad situation worse. And you can kind of see their point. The best thing is to move on. For better or worse, pretty much everyone at the club has been fired, so it is time to start again with a clean slate.  2011-12 didn't go so well, but 2012-13 is going to be a bright new day. And now this comes up again.

The news should be all about the new manager and what he is going to be doing, but what do you think they'll be talking about instead?

Manc

[Sevo]

Can't believe all the Liverpool fans who still can't see that this should be a non-issue

Really? I suppose you'd be quite content for some bloke to defame you, have his lies believed and you branded a racist across the world's media? Luis has the balls not to let this disgusting attempt to destroy his character to simply fester. I fully support his right to fight this injustice as long as he wants to. It's to the Club's credit that they were prepared to support his innocence until FSG panicked and forced those sickly 'apologies'. I wonder how Henry and Wener would have reacted if they were the victims of hidious lies? Get their fat wallets out and fight it through the courts probably. YNWA Luis.