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I don't want to be a parent.
« on: December 17, 2011, 11:50:37 am »
Is it just me?

I don't. I never have.

For many of my friends, when we were younger and we looked into our future, theirs included children, mine never did. For many of them now life without kids would be particularly empty. My father, tells me from a young age, he wanted to be a father. One of my closest friends, who at my age now is on a constant downer as he is not in a serious relationship and thus the likelihood of being a father dwindles by the day. I am completely without feeling to kids. I dont get that, they are so cute and adorable feeling. I dont get a face akin to a dog tilting its head to one side when confronted with the wonderment of a baby or childhood.

I wont even attempt to go into the reasons why which thus far have touted from without feeling to cowardly.

So, is it just me or does that lack of maternal/paternal instinct reach further?
« Last Edit: December 17, 2011, 11:53:53 am by Johnnyboy1973 »
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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2011, 11:54:37 am »
I don't fancy cleaning up shit every hour for two years. If I want kids, I'll buy one when it's old enough to run and kick a ball.
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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2011, 11:57:32 am »
I think you being honest to yourself and not giving in to what majority is doing and feeling is actualy the best thing you can do.
It's much, much better then trying to somehow trigger that instinct, ending up with a kid to who you're not giving everything he/she deserves and needs.

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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2011, 12:10:45 pm »
I don't fancy cleaning up shit every hour for two years. If I want kids, I'll buy one when it's old enough to run and kick a ball.

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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2011, 12:10:54 pm »
I've always felt the same to be honest.

I'm actually great with kids (probably something to do with being a similar mental age) but I always saw myself as too selfish.

Recently though I've begun softening on the idea. Spent a few days with a close friend who's had a baby recently and its certainly opened my eyes.

Just need to trap a woman now though  ::)

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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2011, 12:12:07 pm »
Have 4 of them, love them to bits. 

I do understand people who don't want to have them though and have close friends who are in that category.  These are lovely people with whom I share many values and interests but who don't want kids.  I don't think there is anything dramatic about it, just a perfectly valid life choice.

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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2011, 12:21:39 pm »
Wanted some when I was about 20. Changed my mind since then.

Not keen on kids really. Can't see the point. Would rather have a good time, travel the world and do stuff.

I'm probably too selfish and enjoy life far too much to ruin it by having bloody kids.

Plus I think the Earth is getting overcrowded with limited resources, so don't really want to add to the problem by adding a new line with shitloads of people in it.

When others talk about their fucking "Carbon Footprint" and shite and then have 3 kids - makes a bit of a mockery of their words when they talk to someone that flys a lot but doesn't intend to strain the resources of the planet when they are dead and gone.
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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2011, 01:55:02 pm »
I have one and I want more  :D

Do understand what you are saying though and I thinks its great that you freely admit it, my auntie never wanted kids and never had any she put up with years of people asking "but why"?

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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2011, 01:56:11 pm »
I can't imagine myself being responsible for another person's life. The people I know who say they want kids seem to me that they only want them for a bit of excitement in their life as they've not got much to look forward to.
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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2011, 01:59:48 pm »
Same here really, don't think I'll ever have any. I've got an 8 year old sister, and watching her grow up has been amazing and being 14 years older than her I've been sort of a father figure, especially with her real dad out the picure since she was 2.

I can't see myself having any, but you never know, the right woman could change that. I'd honestly much rather have a dog though.
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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2011, 01:59:59 pm »
I've always felt the same to be honest.

I'm actually great with kids (probably something to do with being a similar mental age) but I always saw myself as too selfish.

Recently though I've begun softening on the idea. Spent a few days with a close friend who's had a baby recently and its certainly opened my eyes.

Just need to trap a woman now though  ::)

Very similar to this. Me and the close mates are mentally still teenagers in how we act, but two of them recently became dads. One acts like the perfect dad but still makes time to come out, the other you wouldn't even think he has a child or a gf. Would never have any of us down to be a parent but the two of them have gone down that road and just makes me look at myself and think it will never happen. Myself I have a very cushty lifestyle and tend to find myself becoming more concerned with what I want out of life.

Some woman to put me under the thumb would no doubt change all of that, that would be if I ever let them get to that point!

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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2011, 02:00:27 pm »
I want them. I'm naive enough to belief my genes are worth passing on and arrogant enough to believe I could do it "right".
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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2011, 02:04:15 pm »
Very similar to this. Me and the close mates are mentally still teenagers in how we act
Thank fuck it's not just me and my mates, and you're 31! Honestly when we're in the pub and stuff you'd think we were 15 not 22.
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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2011, 02:04:40 pm »
becoming a father is the single most rewarding thing i have ever done. 

i'm instinctively selfish and lazy but suddenly there's a wee man around who's the new star of the film and i don't mind running after him or cleaning up his mess.

maybe its a case of waiting until you're ready and indeed in prime time i wanted nothing to hold me back or down but really everything else has paled into insignificance.

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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2011, 02:07:20 pm »
We are all here to procreate, it's that simple.
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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2011, 02:08:46 pm »
I want to be but not just yet.

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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2011, 02:08:59 pm »
Thank fuck it's not just me and my mates, and you're 31! Honestly when we're in the pub and stuff you'd think we were 15 not 22.

We have our own little sayings and stuff we do since we were 12 yr old lads playing footy on the park. People are clueless to it all, we just piss ourselves.

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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2011, 02:11:07 pm »
We have our own little sayings and stuff we do since we were 12 yr old lads playing footy on the park. People are clueless to it all, we just piss ourselves.

Don't ever change.
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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2011, 02:11:13 pm »
We are all here to procreate, it's that simple.

It's not really that simple. Sure, when we were just like all the other animals it was. But now we have such amazing advances that let so many people live who would otherwise die. I think eventually something will have to be done about population and people not wanting to have kids now shouldn't be actively discouraged from it in my view.

Personally I've never wanted kids. I haven't actively not wanted them. They just never featured in my plans. But with the right woman I could easily see myself having them. I wouldn't have kids with just anyone, I wouldn't want it to be something that happens cos we're both drunk. I'd want to plan it properly and make sure we're both ready and it's what we both want. But if it was and she was the right woman, I'd definitely do it.

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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2011, 02:11:26 pm »

Plus I think the Earth is getting overcrowded with limited resources, so don't really want to add to the problem by adding a new line with shitloads of people in it.

When others talk about their fucking "Carbon Footprint" and shite and then have 3 kids - makes a bit of a mockery of their words when they talk to someone that flys a lot but doesn't intend to strain the resources of the planet when they are dead and gone.

You won't be adding to the problem if you bring them up responsibly. If you care about the Earth so much you'd better do something about the shitloads of kids being born in other continents.

Kids are hard work, but they bring enormous happiness to a family. I can't wait to have them.
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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2011, 02:24:15 pm »
I'm pretty young, but I've never really had those thoughts some of my friends used to have or still have. I had a lot of friends who couldn't wait to have their own family and stuff like that. If you asked me like 2 years ago if I ever wanted to have kids, I'd have definitely said no. Now I don't know. Not saying I want kids now. And I still don't want more than 1, but I think eventually I'd probably want to have a kid.
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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2011, 02:26:15 pm »
You won't be adding to the problem if you bring them up responsibly. If you care about the Earth so much you'd better do something about the shitloads of kids being born in other continents.

Kids are hard work, but they bring enormous happiness to a family. I can't wait to have them.

If I have a kid and they have 2 kids and they have 2 kids and they have 2 kids...

Then that's a fucking shitload of extra people mate.
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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2011, 02:26:41 pm »
I'm pretty young, but I've never really had those thoughts some of my friends used to have or still have. I had a lot of friends who couldn't wait to have their own family and stuff like that. If you asked me like 2 years ago if I ever wanted to have kids, I'd have definitely said no. Now I don't know. Not saying I want kids now. And I still don't want more than 1, but I think eventually I'd probably want to have a kid.

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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2011, 02:33:17 pm »
I'm pretty young, but I've never really had those thoughts some of my friends used to have or still have. I had a lot of friends who couldn't wait to have their own family and stuff like that. If you asked me like 2 years ago if I ever wanted to have kids, I'd have definitely said no. Now I don't know. Not saying I want kids now. And I still don't want more than 1, but I think eventually I'd probably want to have a kid.

Well why don't we have some fu...

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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2011, 02:35:02 pm »
have a 4 year old daughter, want more kids but won't simply because i don't want two kids to two different mums.
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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2011, 02:41:16 pm »
Used to hate the thought of having kids but in the last couple of years I've definitely come round to the idea. In fact now I'm probably more scared of marriage than I am of having kids, which is a bit weird I suppose. Defo not for a good few years yet though ;D

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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #27 on: December 17, 2011, 02:48:00 pm »
Got two and as hass says its great. Wasn't interested at all before meeting my future wife, too busy having fun out on the town etc. Wouldn't have predicted it happening back then. Live your life, make your mistakes then settle down when (if) it feels "right". Can't imagine life without the two boys now.

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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #28 on: December 17, 2011, 02:48:18 pm »
If I have a kid and they have 2 kids and they have 2 kids and they have 2 kids...

Then that's a fucking shitload of extra people mate.

And during that time a shitload of people will die around the world too.

And if your children grow up to be responsible then they'll contribute positively to their society and to an extent, the world.
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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #29 on: December 17, 2011, 02:51:17 pm »
If I have a kid and they have 2 kids and they have 2 kids and they have 2 kids...

Then that's a fucking shitload of extra people mate.

Actually it is only like 4 more....

A@A and Mrs. A@A have one child
Baby A@A has a child
They have 2 children (replacing themselves or A@A and Mrs. A@A however you want to look at it)
If Each of these 2 children born of Baby A@A have 2 children then we have a +7 to A@A and Mrs A@A, however with time and the rate of curry and ale consumption There is reason to believe that they would be gone by the time Baby A@A has 4 grandchildren...

so now we are at a +5, and when the hypothetical Baby A@A is no more (probably from the same over indulgence in Curry and Ale as his father) then we are at a +4...

Coming from a large family I have no problem with children, and being a father myself, I see no issue with having more children (The missus and I are thinking 3 total, maybe another born of us as we have one son already then adopting another).
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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #30 on: December 17, 2011, 02:51:19 pm »
And during that time a shitload of people will die around the world too.

And if your children grow up to be responsible then they'll contribute positively to their society and to an extent, the world.

Really don't want to turn this into that, but from what you said there about raising kids to be responsible, I really think people should be vetted before they are allowed to have kids. There's no way of doing it now and it wouldn't be allowed to happen, but I think our civilisation would benefit if certain types of people just weren't allowed to have kids.

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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #31 on: December 17, 2011, 02:55:28 pm »
I want to be but not just yet.

Is an acceptable answer for a female (hold on, hear me out!).

I'm 25 and female. My school friends are getting married and having kids at an alarming rate and it seems like this year in particular, over the summer barely a week has gone by when someone hasn't announced their engagement/pregnancy/celebrated a wedding/posted pics of the baby barely 5 mins old. Some are already married, 2 kids and divorced.

On the other hand, as I sit here having finally achieved what I've been aiming for for the last 8-9 years career wise, I feel absolutely no compulsion to have children. I have felt this way since the age of 12, possibly younger. I have never yearned for children, never felt broody, never considered that my life would be incomplete without a child. I am an only child so I've never had younger siblings to take care of that might have awoken any early motherly feelings, nor have I ever been surrounded by my extended family from whom I am mostly estranged.

Largely, with a couple of exceptions, I find children annoying. They scream, they shout, they smell, their parents walk around as sleep deprived zombies (particularly in the early years), they demand time, attention and money that I simply do not wish to give them. I am that annoyed looking woman on the train or the bus who sits there stony-faced, rubbing her temples, breathing slowly so as to prevent violence when someone else's kid screams uncontrollably in the corner. I actively avoid any hotel that boasts any form of kids' club or creche. I will ask for another table in a restaurant if I'm seating within hearing distance of a hungry baby.

This attitude frequently leaves people (OK, mostly women) aghast. I'm showered with cries of "just you wait" or "you're still too young, you'll get broody sooner or later" or "give it 5 years and you'll want a baby". Alternatively I am given pitying looks as I am assumed to be barren and uncapable of having children because of course, that could be the only other explanation for my position. On occasion, I have also been looked at as if I am some sort of psychopath because everyone loves children surely?

My other half is more broody than I am and as our relationship begins to get serious, I grow increasingly concerned that my total lack of motherly inclination and his occasionally expressed desire for future offspring is going to cause problems. He seems to think he'll talk me into it but I cannot see that happening until medical science progresses to the point at which men gestate and give birth and he openly admits to wanting to be a househusband because I'll be damned if I'm giving up my career for a kid I don't want.

And now to my rather protracted point. It seems to be OK for men not to want children. It makes them one of the lads because babies are women's work. And if they do want kids, that's OK too, because they get to be the cool Dad in front of their mates. But if I declare to a room that I wish to remain childless I am looked upon as some sort of pariah to be pitied, patted gently on the head or avoided as something deranged and unclean.

By way of explanation for the above - work xmas do last night, asked if I wanted kids, had to explain all of the above to a group of middle aged women who fell into the pitying look category and clearly now think I have no womb.


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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #32 on: December 17, 2011, 02:57:26 pm »
And during that time a shitload of people will die around the world too.

And if your children grow up to be responsible then they'll contribute positively to their society and to an extent, the world.

I've got two nieces. They can do it :)

I can be Uncle Andy. Help them along. Stick up for them. Enjoy their company and enjoy watching them grow up. They are both brilliant people. The youngest who is only 10 announced last year that she didn't want any Christmas presents because "I have more than I can use now and I see all these little kids around the world with absolutely nothing and I want you to give the money you would use on my presents to them". Brilliant.

And then I can go on holiday and still have a good time. And not have to worry about my own.

I'm a nervous wreck with the cats. If I had kids I wouldn't be able to sleep at night :)

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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #33 on: December 17, 2011, 02:59:25 pm »
Actually it is only like 4 more....

A@A and Mrs. A@A have one child
Baby A@A has a child
They have 2 children (replacing themselves or A@A and Mrs. A@A however you want to look at it)
If Each of these 2 children born of Baby A@A have 2 children then we have a +7 to A@A and Mrs A@A, however with time and the rate of curry and ale consumption There is reason to believe that they would be gone by the time Baby A@A has 4 grandchildren...

so now we are at a +5, and when the hypothetical Baby A@A is no more (probably from the same over indulgence in Curry and Ale as his father) then we are at a +4...

Coming from a large family I have no problem with children, and being a father myself, I see no issue with having more children (The missus and I are thinking 3 total, maybe another born of us as we have one son already then adopting another).

Radio 4 said Curry is good for you!

And I'm assuming that line doesn't die out. Over 300 years (say) that's a lot of extra peeps knocking about. It's exponential. If they have 2 kids each and those 2 kids have 2 kids each and those two kids have 2 kids each..
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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #34 on: December 17, 2011, 03:05:35 pm »
Can't wait to be a Dad personally. Is it wrong to really hope to have a son rather than a daughter though?

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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #35 on: December 17, 2011, 03:07:16 pm »
Is an acceptable answer for a female (hold on, hear me out!).

I'm 25 and female. My school friends are getting married and having kids at an alarming rate and it seems like this year in particular, over the summer barely a week has gone by when someone hasn't announced their engagement/pregnancy/celebrated a wedding/posted pics of the baby barely 5 mins old. Some are already married, 2 kids and divorced.

On the other hand, as I sit here having finally achieved what I've been aiming for for the last 8-9 years career wise, I feel absolutely no compulsion to have children. I have felt this way since the age of 12, possibly younger. I have never yearned for children, never felt broody, never considered that my life would be incomplete without a child. I am an only child so I've never had younger siblings to take care of that might have awoken any early motherly feelings, nor have I ever been surrounded by my extended family from whom I am mostly estranged.

Largely, with a couple of exceptions, I find children annoying. They scream, they shout, they smell, their parents walk around as sleep deprived zombies (particularly in the early years), they demand time, attention and money that I simply do not wish to give them. I am that annoyed looking woman on the train or the bus who sits there stony-faced, rubbing her temples, breathing slowly so as to prevent violence when someone else's kid screams uncontrollably in the corner. I actively avoid any hotel that boasts any form of kids' club or creche. I will ask for another table in a restaurant if I'm seating within hearing distance of a hungry baby.

This attitude frequently leaves people (OK, mostly women) aghast. I'm showered with cries of "just you wait" or "you're still too young, you'll get broody sooner or later" or "give it 5 years and you'll want a baby". Alternatively I am given pitying looks as I am assumed to be barren and uncapable of having children because of course, that could be the only other explanation for my position. On occasion, I have also been looked at as if I am some sort of psychopath because everyone loves children surely?

My other half is more broody than I am and as our relationship begins to get serious, I grow increasingly concerned that my total lack of motherly inclination and his occasionally expressed desire for future offspring is going to cause problems. He seems to think he'll talk me into it but I cannot see that happening until medical science progresses to the point at which men gestate and give birth and he openly admits to wanting to be a househusband because I'll be damned if I'm giving up my career for a kid I don't want.

And now to my rather protracted point. It seems to be OK for men not to want children. It makes them one of the lads because babies are women's work. And if they do want kids, that's OK too, because they get to be the cool Dad in front of their mates. But if I declare to a room that I wish to remain childless I am looked upon as some sort of pariah to be pitied, patted gently on the head or avoided as something deranged and unclean.

By way of explanation for the above - work xmas do last night, asked if I wanted kids, had to explain all of the above to a group of middle aged women who fell into the pitying look category and clearly now think I have no womb.



can you give me that in bullet points?



seriously though, good post, i didnt want kids, it just happened, you are in control of your own situation though, i had no control over it.
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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #36 on: December 17, 2011, 03:07:29 pm »
Can't wait to be a Dad personally. Is it wrong to really hope to have a son rather than a daughter though?

No it isn't.

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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #37 on: December 17, 2011, 03:07:32 pm »



All fair points and no one should question what YOU want from YOUR life. Whether you live to regret it or be happy later on in life, time will only tell. But it is your decision.

Personally sick to fucking death of people asking when I will settle down, marry have kids and be the same as everyone else. There is no rush, no set time to do anything in life. You do what you want (within reason) when you want to.

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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #38 on: December 17, 2011, 03:07:34 pm »
You people worry too much about the state of the world as if you influence it by having one kid. While you are worrying about overpopulation by bringing one kid into the world, there so many women giving birth. Overpopulation isn't something you're going to help or make worse with your decision not to have kids. That's like if there was a massive fire and you decided to spit on it to help put it out. If you want a kid, have one. Raise it to be a good person (well you can only do little to ensure that really) and hopefully they'll contribute to the world in a good way. I do agree with what Gob was saying about not everyone just being allowed to have kids though.
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Re: I don't want to be a parent.
« Reply #39 on: December 17, 2011, 03:11:59 pm »
You people worry too much about the state of the world as if you influence it by having one kid. While you are worrying about overpopulation by bringing one kid into the world, there so many women giving birth. Overpopulation isn't something you're going to help or make worse with your decision not to have kids. That's like if there was a massive fire and you decided to spit on it to help put it out. If you want a kid, have one. Raise it to be a good person (well you can only do little to ensure that really) and hopefully they'll contribute to the world in a good way. I do agree with what Gob was saying about not everyone just being allowed to have kids though.

While I agree with your sentiment, I wouldn't liken it to spitting in a fire. The only real effect that us not having kids now will make will be hundreds of years in the future, perhaps thousands. Spitting in a fire will have no effect at all. So I'd say that it's more akin to setting erosion in motion to try to divert a river to put the fire out instead ;D