Topic: Luis Suarez - FA guilty charge and LFC Statement (*)

[Hymer Red]

I was always, always against it. But it has to happen now. We have to get our club out of England and away from these morons. It's actually embarrasing.

I was against it too thinking about the fans having to travel and the associated costs etc but now, after this, Im starting to change my mind.

[Pistolero]

So we throw Luis under the bus because people will think bad of us? Sorry but fuck that.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. "

spot on.

[Beav]

I must admit, I feel really bad and embarrassed that I wasn't aware that saying "coloured" was offensive.

Just so I'm clear because I really don't want to cause anyone offense, if you are describing to someone , a man who you saw in town, and referred to them as "black", but not in an offensive way, just a description, is that a no-no?

[Coolie High]

I was always, always against it. But it has to happen now. We have to get our club out of England and away from these morons. It's actually embarrasing.

Get out of England just to be with the Mancs all over again?

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Please, please, please STOP listening to Talksport!

This programme goes out of its way every night to be deliberately confrontational, looks for controversy regardless of the subject and the Suarez situation is meat and drink to them.

By listening you are increasing their listener numbers so they can claim to be the country's 'Number 1 sports station.'

leave them to it, ignore them and the idiots who ring in too, they really aren't worth commenting on!

How do you think their listener numbers increase by listening by the way? Do you think they have an exotic device for measuring what station you're listening to? They do their listener numbers by polls I think.

[Eeyore]

No. If we genuinely believe Luis is innocent we have to go as far as we can to clear his name. I don't give a shit what the fuckwits think, we're not going to lie down and take it any more. Can't wait 'til Luis is cleared, let's see what the bell ends have to say then.

Absolutely spot on, if you were certain that someone who had been convicted of a murder or rape on the word of one person was innocent would you advise them to apologise and hope the sentence was cut.

Liverpool know Luis Suarez is not a racist, the Liverpool players know Luis Suarez is not a racist, Evra doesn't think he is a racist and the FA in their opening remarks accepted Luis Suarez was not a racist so why the hell should Luis Suarez admit to being one just to make it go away.

Something is either morally right or wrong you do not change that just to fit in with someone else's ill educated agenda.

[ClaireW]

I must admit, I feel really bad and embarrassed that I wasn't aware that saying "coloured" was offensive.

Just so I'm clear because I really don't want to cause anyone offense, if you are describing to someone , a man who you saw in town, and referred to them as "black", but not in an offensive way, just a description, is that a no-no?

Nope,  to describe someone as a black man or a black woman is spot on.  Calling someone 'you fucking black bastard' isn't.

[daveypauly]

I must admit, I feel really bad and embarrassed that I wasn't aware that saying "coloured" was offensive.

Just so I'm clear because I really don't want to cause anyone offense, if you are describing to someone , a man who you saw in town, and referred to them as "black", but not in an offensive way, just a description, is that a no-no?

Black's fine.  I think 'coloured' is not acceptable now because it suggests a group who are white, then the rest, who are 'coloured'.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Absolutely spot on, if you were certain that someone who had been convicted of a murder or rape on the word of one person was innocent would you advise them to apologise and hope the sentence was cut.

Liverpool know Luis Suarez is not a racist, the Liverpool players know Luis Suarez is not a racist, Evra doesn't think he is a racist and the FA in their opening remarks accepted Luis Suarez was not a racist so why the hell should Luis Suarez admit to being one just to make it go away.

Something is either morally right or wrong you do not change that just to fit in with someone else's ill educated agenda.

Indeed.

[liverpooll]

Just one point from me,

It is very important to not make it sound like a conspiracy against "Liverpool" by the FA and how anti they have been to us over the years.

If we aim for the above, we will lose out. Need to be very specify.

[Beav]

Nope,  to describe someone as a black man or a black woman is spot on.  Calling someone 'you fucking black bastard' isn't.

Cheers.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

How?

The above is 3 separate accounts from 3 separate sources albeit through the same shithole of a paper. A paper which has always existed solely to make money by writing what your average nobhead wants to read. Plus I've got no affiliation whatsoever with that paper so if anything I'd be a bit put off if they weren't being hypocritical fuckers, it just confirms what I think of them. It's not 'worse' because for me they're behaving exactly to script.

What has gone on in here however from some Liverpool supporters is thinly-veiled racism hiding behind a defence of Suarez. To the point where it's not even about the issue at hand, more about people pretending that they thought it's still ok to say xxxxxxx because they always called Dave that when they were kids and he didn't seem to mind. It's fucking embarrassing and I just hope any outsiders don't take it as representative of the club or the city as a whole.

You were alluding to people being racist in the other thread. Are you accusing me and the other people discussing what was acceptable 'back in the day' and what is acceptable now of being racists? If you are - come out with it.

[montysmum]

How do you think their listener numbers increase by listening by the way? Do you think they have an exotic device for measuring what station you're listening to? They do their listener numbers by polls I think.

An exotic device?  Sounds interesting, but no, I don't think that.   I think most do polls or in some cases longer term diaries.

Either way, I would rather be able to answer, when asked if I listen to TS, a resounding NO.

[Chindits]

I've had enough of this wowdy webel sniggewing behaviour from the FA.

[cptrios]

Dunno if this has been posted yet, but this is the best, most even-handed article I've read on the situation so far. It'd do us all some good to start moving a bit further toward the middle, I think. Loved the club's statement, but I thought the shirts should have had Suarez and "Kick Racism Out" printed on them.

[LFC when it suits]

I must admit, I feel really bad and embarrassed that I wasn't aware that saying "coloured" was offensive. 

People say that "coloured" it is offensive, but what about the NAACP (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People), a black civil rights organisation who happily refer to themselves as coloured.

[J-Mc-]

but I thought the shirts should have had Suarez and "Kick Racism Out" printed on them.

Then we could have watched as the media jump on the "Liverpool want Suarez out" bandwagon

[Jagged Princess]

Great post that Andy,

We are a proud people and accept anyone and everyone who embrace the city and its people, cross one of us though and we fight alongside each other.  That is the same for Liverpool Football Club, a club whose history and 'being' are firmly entrenched in its working class rooots.

[Pistolero]

some dickhead scouse prick licking Durhams arse live on air....

[Butter Keks]

The big problem for me is that the conversation between the two players took place in Spanish. Therefore if Suarez asked Evra ''Por Que negrito?'' how can we take a word that is not used in our culture or dialect and decide it is racist? If the word is not racist in Uruguay or the Spanish language what gives us the right to decide it is in England?

In the context of the conversation it has no racial meaning.

Had the conversation between the two players been in English it would be a different matter.

[Stussy]

The Daily Mail, along with the S*n, Express and Daily Star, are responsible for creating a climate of hostility towards ethnic minorities and immigrants in Britain, through a constant deliberate narrative of exaggeration, demonisation, stereotyping, caricature and paranoia.

[Trada]

some dickhead scouse prick licking Durhams arse live on air....

They are coming out with some real shite.

Blaming the club for the shite Collymore is getting because they are saying Liverpool fans think anything goes now.

Having another go at Glen.

[Mutton Geoff]

Nothing unexpected given the treatment of Rafa before!

The total immorality of the press coverage yesterday for Terry was the lowest point yet, god knows we have the worst standards in the press association at the moment, there are a few decent hacks but they are drowned out by the cock sucking sycophants who write this shite!

These days I only trust Reuters even  BBC has been infected since their Salford move!

[marko35s]

You've got to be joking. So you're defending the F.A against one of our players on a trumped up charge in collaboration with man united.
 Yes I must be on the wrong website.

Is it possible to go to school and still be this stupid?

[Red Scouse]

Absolutely spot on, if you were certain that someone who had been convicted of a murder or rape on the word of one person was innocent would you advise them to apologise and hope the sentence was cut.

Liverpool know Luis Suarez is not a racist, the Liverpool players know Luis Suarez is not a racist, Evra doesn't think he is a racist and the FA in their opening remarks accepted Luis Suarez was not a racist so why the hell should Luis Suarez admit to being one just to make it go away.

Something is either morally right or wrong you do not change that just to fit in with someone else's ill educated agenda.

Good post. Hits the nail on the head.

[Alan_X]

Then we could have watched as the media jump on the "Liverpool want Suarez out" bandwagon

Was just about to post that.

[Dr Manhattan]

Well that's just the tip of the iceberg with what's wrong with so-called fans giving out shit to people like Stan Collymore on twitter, isn't it? Now we're all guilty by association. We're all bigots, racists, and uneducated fucking morons in the eyes of complete idiots like Adrian Durham and his cronies on TalkSport.

There's so much wrong with this entire situation I've just completely lost track now. It's a clusterfuck.

[Cre_mCr_cker]

This Durham prick talking like Glen should grace him with his reasons for supporting Luis, why should he? Fuck you, he can support who he wants and doesn't have to tell some prick at talkshite why.

[Alan_X]

The big problem for me is that the conversation between the two players took place in Spanish. Therefore if Suarez asked Evra ''Por Que negrito?'' how can we take a word that is not used in our culture or dialect and decide it is racist? If the word is not racist in Uruguay or the Spanish language what gives us the right to decide it is in England?

In the context of the conversation it has no racial meaning.

Had the conversation between the two players been in English it would be a different matter.

Come on people - how many times has this been posted?

[Alan_X]

Here's a suggestion - as far as I'm aware, Suarez didn't use the term 'coloured' towards Evra so there's really no need to keep picking over what can and can't be said.

[ClaireW]

People say that "coloured" it is offensive, but what about the NAACP (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People), a black civil rights organisation who happily refer to themselves as coloured.

Primarily in America there is wide use of 'people of colour' to describe people who are not white, but it's not used in the UK.  Collectively we widen our term to BAME - Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic'.

Plus it's around 100 years old as an organisation and from what I know the name has been that for decades (if not since it's inception)

Edit: Here's some info, if you are interested http://www.naacp.org/pages/naacp-history

And as Alan has pointed out, this is way off topic now.

[Trada]

This Durham prick talking like Glen should grace him with his reasons for supporting Luis, why should he? Fuck you, he can support who he wants and doesn't have to tell some prick at talkshite why.

Strange they keep having a go at Glen.

[Juan Loco]

This Durham prick talking like Glen should grace him with his reasons for supporting Luis, why should he? Fuck you, he can support who he wants and doesn't have to tell some prick at talkshite why.

Glen Johnson's black mate. He's got to give his reasons to the world, because he's black. You can't have a black man supporting someone who has made reference to someone elses skin colour. It's racist. A black man should know better.

Glen Johnson has to justify himself to them because of his skin colour. Suarez is the racist one.

[free_at_last]

Is it possible to go to school and still be this stupid?

I tell you what - either I'm stupid or you're a manc

[Pistolero]

Strange they keep having a go at Glen.

May have something to do with Glen stating on Twitter that he genuinely didn't know who Adrian Durham was........the ginger gobshite obviously has a tender ego

[Snail]

Stupidly went to have a peep at the Suarez thread on Bluemoon. Horrible.

[Enders]

Strange they keep having a go at Glen.

I really can't work this one out. Surely they must be wondering why he's so supportive, even thinking 'Maybe the FA have got it wrong', but no - same knuckleheaded rubbish designed to provoke a reaction from anybody they can get to.

[Dr Manhattan]

I've shook my head so much in the last few days I'm afraid it might actually fall off at some point over christmas.

[Butter Keks]

Come on people - how many times has this been posted?

I wouldn't know because I haven't read every page of the thread but if it is a repeat of a lot of posts then feel free to delete it. After all that is why your are a mod no?

[Dr Manhattan]

I tell you what - either I'm stupid or you're a manc

It's the first option.