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Re: Liverpool Ladies FC (*)
« Reply #520 on: May 7, 2013, 10:05:46 am »
There might not be anything LFC can do if the rights deals won't let us show our games ourselves. None of the WSL clubs are showing their games in full despite them all being recorded in full. There are a few like us with the means to get these matches shown on TV but everybody could easily stick them on the internet, either live streamed or just archived (the American league is using youtube to do it). I don't understand why it still isn't happening here.

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« Reply #521 on: May 7, 2013, 12:17:20 pm »
The final game is away at Chelsea on the 19th. Doncaster v Everton is the day before. The top two teams go through to the semis. Group winners play the runner up from the other group.
Kel, what happens if we fail to take at least a point at Chelsea and lose by two goals, regardless of the Doncaster/EFC result (although I guess theoretically that could be interesting too but unlikely!)

That would leave us on P3, W1, D1, L1, same points and same GD right?

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Re: Liverpool Ladies FC (*)
« Reply #522 on: May 7, 2013, 01:33:10 pm »
There might not be anything LFC can do if the rights deals won't let us show our games ourselves. None of the WSL clubs are showing their games in full despite them all being recorded in full. There are a few like us with the means to get these matches shown on TV but everybody could easily stick them on the internet, either live streamed or just archived (the American league is using youtube to do it). I don't understand why it still isn't happening here.

They are seriously missing a trick with Youtube. The NWSL have broadcasting for the women's game down to a fine art at this point, although the Scandinavian countries are not far behind. I frequently get to watch my players in action for their teams in those leagues, for key games at least. They also sometimes show highlights later that day.

I hope the WSL get their act together on that one, because getting the games seen by the public is crucial - especially tapping into the growing girls youth football scene that has been a key to any success that the American women's game has had.
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Re: Liverpool Ladies FC (*)
« Reply #523 on: May 7, 2013, 02:33:09 pm »
Kel, what happens if we fail to take at least a point at Chelsea and lose by two goals, regardless of the Doncaster/EFC result (although I guess theoretically that could be interesting too but unlikely!)

That would leave us on P3, W1, D1, L1, same points and same GD right?
You're right, but god knows what would happen next. Nobody seems to know what the tie-breaks are because the rules are never published, and the FA have come up with some very random solutions in the past.

I haven't given much thought to the various qualification scenarios, and I won't be until Doncaster/EFC is finished and things are clearer. I think the best and easiest plan of attack is to just make sure we win.

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« Reply #524 on: May 7, 2013, 02:44:04 pm »
They are seriously missing a trick with Youtube. The NWSL have broadcasting for the women's game down to a fine art at this point, although the Scandinavian countries are not far behind. I frequently get to watch my players in action for their teams in those leagues, for key games at least. They also sometimes show highlights later that day.

I hope the WSL get their act together on that one, because getting the games seen by the public is crucial - especially tapping into the growing girls youth football scene that has been a key to any success that the American women's game has had.
They are indeed missing a trick. If you read any of the comments on the various official websites, or any of the tweets sent to the various official twitter accounts or the ladies players themselves, 9 times out 10 it's people asking if there are streams or if a game is on TV. The official FAWSL twitter account is constantly bombarded with such questions. Half the people wanting to know aren't even in the UK. Many Americans would watch our games for Whitney Engen alone now that she's finally broken into the senior national side.

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Re: Liverpool Ladies FC (*)
« Reply #525 on: May 7, 2013, 02:46:10 pm »
....I think the best and easiest plan of attack is to just make sure we win.
"Stick it in the net and we'll discuss your options later!" ;D (something like that anyway)

Christ, imagine the FA's dilemma if LFC and EFC tied underneath Chelsea! They'd probably find a way to exclude both and put Doncaster through with Chelsea ;)

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« Reply #526 on: May 7, 2013, 02:47:50 pm »
They are indeed missing a trick. If you read any of the comments on the various official websites, or any of the tweets sent to the various official twitter accounts or the ladies players themselves, 9 times out 10 it's people asking if there are streams or if a game is on TV. The official FAWSL twitter account is constantly bombarded with such questions. Half the people wanting to know aren't even in the UK. Many Americans would watch our games for Whitney Engen alone now that she's finally broken into the senior national side.

Exactly. For me, it smacks a little of still not taking the womens game seriously at the top level, which is a shame, because it's a great game that could have a big impact in women's football in England. A lot of girls youth football players in America can tell you about Mia Hamm or Brandi Chastain or Abby Wambach or Alex Morgan, but I'm not sure the same could be said in England about English womens football players. That has to change, as young female players need female role models to show them that there is a path for them in the game.
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Re: Liverpool Ladies FC (*)
« Reply #527 on: May 7, 2013, 07:42:23 pm »
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38 Goal a great Amanda da Costa strike Liverpool go one up and it had been coming 0-1

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« Reply #528 on: May 7, 2013, 07:43:30 pm »
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38 Goal a great Amanda da Costa strike Liverpool go one up and it had been coming 0-1
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« Reply #529 on: May 7, 2013, 08:19:49 pm »
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52 GOAL Corina broke on right picks out Amanda who puts it home for her second 0-2

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55 liverpool corner GOAL strait from a Louise Fors corner 0-3

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Goal for Liverpool. Fors races through and makes it four.

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Re: Liverpool Ladies FC (*)
« Reply #530 on: May 7, 2013, 08:28:36 pm »
Liverpool Ladies FC ‏@LFCladies 3m
52 GOAL Corina broke on right picks out Amanda who puts it home for her second 0-2

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55 liverpool corner GOAL strait from a Louise Fors corner 0-3

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Goal for Liverpool. Fors races through and makes it four.

  :scarf

Brilliant stuff. Will be a great confidence booster too for the girls.
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« Reply #531 on: May 7, 2013, 08:30:27 pm »
Wow! Wow! WOW!! :scarf

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« Reply #532 on: May 7, 2013, 08:56:14 pm »
Christ I had a ticket for this but could not go at last minute..gutted!!

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Re: Liverpool Ladies FC (*)
« Reply #533 on: May 7, 2013, 08:56:33 pm »
Liverpool top of the league at this rate!

I know it is still very early but sounds like a good result coming, away against the reigning champions?

Keep it up!

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Re: Liverpool Ladies FC (*)
« Reply #534 on: May 7, 2013, 09:00:57 pm »
That was Arsenal's first defeat in the league since July 2011, and I believe it may even be their biggest defeat since 2002.

I'm tearing up.

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« Reply #535 on: May 7, 2013, 09:01:01 pm »
Four nil? Away? To Arsenal?  :o :scarf

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Re: Liverpool Ladies FC (*)
« Reply #536 on: May 7, 2013, 09:01:29 pm »
Aren't Arsenal like the Barca meets Real meets Bayern meets Pele of womens football? How did we tonk them 4-0? Checked my twitter and saw "0-4" and assumed we'd been beaten. Would love it if they'd put the LFC score first for us who aren't acquainted with the names yet.

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« Reply #537 on: May 7, 2013, 09:07:42 pm »
Bloody hell.

Indeed. Incredible!
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« Reply #538 on: May 7, 2013, 09:09:32 pm »
Wow! When I saw 0-4 I wasn't sure if we were losing and the results were in the same format as the official, then I read the previous tweets and realised we were winning, and comfortably by the sounds of it! They'd best put highlights of this up at least, whoever owns the rights.

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« Reply #539 on: May 7, 2013, 09:10:07 pm »
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« Reply #540 on: May 7, 2013, 09:13:22 pm »
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Re: Liverpool Ladies FC (*)
« Reply #541 on: May 7, 2013, 09:17:17 pm »
Stunning result!

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« Reply #542 on: May 7, 2013, 09:19:27 pm »
4-0 away to Arsenal :o

Amazing stuff from LFC Ladies. Well done!

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« Reply #543 on: May 7, 2013, 09:22:07 pm »
awesome! happy for amanda to get a brace. was this her first goal(s) for the club?

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Re: Liverpool Ladies FC (*)
« Reply #544 on: May 7, 2013, 09:22:57 pm »
Nearly 2 yrs since Arsenal have lost a game.  ;D

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« Reply #545 on: May 7, 2013, 11:31:55 pm »
Have that you Cockney ____...  ;)

Is that all right in this thread? Genuine question, I suppose...

Phenomenal result, the Ladies are an exciting side...
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« Reply #546 on: May 7, 2013, 11:56:38 pm »
bloody hell I guess that counts as being competitive :)
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« Reply #547 on: May 8, 2013, 12:59:24 am »
Been too long since Liverpool last beat Arsenal 4-0  :scarf

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« Reply #548 on: May 8, 2013, 07:59:45 am »
Great result. Report on the BBC website as well.
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« Reply #549 on: May 8, 2013, 08:08:33 am »
Aren't Arsenal like the Barca meets Real meets Bayern meets Pele of womens football? How did we tonk them 4-0? Checked my twitter and saw "0-4" and assumed we'd been beaten. Would love it if they'd put the LFC score first for us who aren't acquainted with the names yet.

That would be Lyon I reckon, however Arsenal has indeed been dominating english football and been reaching the semi finals in champions league three years in a row + winning it in 2007. Anywho, awesome result!

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« Reply #550 on: May 8, 2013, 08:21:31 am »
Well done ladies.  :)

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« Reply #551 on: May 8, 2013, 12:08:48 pm »
Fantastic win! What a shame we couldn't watch it..

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« Reply #552 on: May 8, 2013, 12:57:23 pm »
A great start to the season. Could be the start of a new era of football dominance.

That being said I am happy the manager is keeping feet firmly on the ground. The target is top half of the table and anything more is a bonus.

It is important that the club keeps backing the team over the next few years at least. Womens football can be 'flavour of the month' to some board of directors. One season being backed fully by the club is useless if by this time next season the team becomes part-time again.

I think we do have a distinct advantage having American owners who know a lot about American sport. I'm sure they see a few money spinning matches with American womens soccer teams over the next few years.

Would it be all that crazy to have a Liverpool branded womens Soccer team franchise in America in the next decade?

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« Reply #553 on: May 8, 2013, 03:32:00 pm »


Would it be all that crazy to have a Liverpool branded womens Soccer team franchise in America in the next decade?

The problem with this is the continual failure of fully professional women's football stateside.

Leagues keep launching with stratospheric expectation levels that are not met, go bust, and are re-cycled with putatively lowered epectations the next go-round.

The NWSL, http://www.nwslsoccer.com/, is the latest version, which seems to have a far better basis in reality as far as revenue and attendance expectations, plus the USSF is paying the salaries of full National team members playing, as is the Mexican Federation for the Mexican women's NT players.

If that league is successful over time, then perhaps FSG might look to Liverpool into US women's footy. Long way to go before that happens, I think... :wave
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« Reply #554 on: May 8, 2013, 03:37:20 pm »
The problem with this is the continual failure of fully professional women's football stateside.

Leagues keep launching with stratospheric expectation levels that are not met, go bust, and are re-cycled with putatively lowered epectations the next go-round.

The NWSL, http://www.nwslsoccer.com/, is the latest version, which seems to have a far better basis in reality as far as revenue and attendance expectations, plus the USSF is paying the salaries of full National team members playing, as is the Mexican Federation for the Mexican women's NT players.

If that league is successful over time, then perhaps FSG might look to Liverpool into US women's footy. Long way to go before that happens, I think... :wave

It's a lot more complicated than that. Although there is something to be said for the WPS over-reaching at times, the league more or less collapsed because of the actions of Borislow, because they needed his team and the team's revenue to keep going. The new model, although scaled smaller, will be more judiciously run. There is a market for womens football in the states, for obvious reasons (they are the best in the world), but at times they have been too optimistic in terms of grounds, fanbase, markets, etc. But in terms of how the womens teams reached out to local communities and became local icons for young female players, they played that hand near-perfectly.

The USSF were also paying the National Team players in WPS too, IIRC. The bonus for the NWSL is that the FMF are also doing the same for the Mexican players, which opens up a whole new market for TV now for the NWSL.
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« Reply #555 on: May 8, 2013, 04:07:09 pm »
It's a lot more complicated than that. Although there is something to be said for the WPS over-reaching at times, the league more or less collapsed because of the actions of Borislow, because they needed his team and the team's revenue to keep going. The new model, although scaled smaller, will be more judiciously run. There is a market for womens football in the states, for obvious reasons (they are the best in the world), but at times they have been too optimistic in terms of grounds, fanbase, markets, etc. But in terms of how the womens teams reached out to local communities and became local icons for young female players, they played that hand near-perfectly.

We're likely to disagree about several of these things. I would never dispute the general douchebaggery of Borislow, and agree that his grandstanding was the final nail in the WPS coffin. As for the market being obvious, as a citizen and having played and coached since I was 6 years old, and currently working at TophatSoccdr Club, an all-girls club in Atlanta, I think you're being over-generous in your praise of reaching out to the respective local communities. As far as the Atlanta Beat were concerned, we did everything we could to get Tophat players to attend matches. The Beat did absolutely nothing in return. I have heard similar from coaches that worked in Boston and Washington DC, don't know about the other WPS clubs/locations.

And I'm far less certain than you that there is a market for women's professional football. Over here, parents don't want to watch unless their little Mia is playing; many of them are proud of that indisputably stupid position. No parents, market problems...

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The USSF were also paying the National Team players in WPS too, IIRC. The bonus for the NWSL is that the FMF are also doing the same for the Mexican players, which opens up a whole new market for TV now for the NWSL.

You maybe right about this, but I was under the impression that one of the selling points of the NWSL was that the federations from both the US and Mexico were assuming the cost burden for National Team players. I'll research...  :wave

Edited to add bits of info from the excellent Soccer Insider, http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/soccer-insider/a Washington Post soccer blog which covers DC United first, then US soccer and world football secondarily.

From the Insider, http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/soccer-insider/wp/2013/05/08/wednesday-kickaround-8/ , scroll down to view...

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*The Washington Spirit (0-2-2) reports 3,000 tickets sold for Saturday night’s visit by the Boston Breakers (2-0-1) at Maryland SoccerPlex, the NWSL club’s fourth consecutive home match. The Spirit is averaging 4,230 through three home dates, well above the 3,000 target set by the owner and bolstered significantly by the early visits from Abby Wambach (Western New York) and Alex Morgan (Portland).

*NWSL tonight: Chicago Red Stars at Sky Blue FC, 7 p.m. ET on www.youtube.nwslsoccer. Sky Blue drew just 2,611 for its home debut on a weekend last month.

Those attendance figures are generally normal ones for women's soccer stateside. Goff does a good job covering the NWSL for those who might be interested. Maybe we can get him to mention the Ladies...
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« Reply #556 on: May 8, 2013, 04:31:17 pm »
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« Reply #557 on: May 8, 2013, 05:16:56 pm »
Somebody is taking faaar too long giving the highlights to us  >:(  Picture spam while we wait!



















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« Reply #559 on: May 8, 2013, 09:52:54 pm »
Somebody is taking faaar too long giving the highlights to us  >:(  Picture spam while we wait!
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