Topic: Why we should keep Lucas?

[RBrittain]

In all seriousness.. For a guy who is going to captain Brazil to victory in the next World Cup and be as good as Xavi in 2-3 years, wouldn't £8 million be the bargain of the century?

[Sangria]

I wonder if redmark is reading this.

[Not funny reecehenebry]

In all seriousness.. For a guy who is going to captain Brazil to victory in the next World Cup and be as good as Xavi in 2-3 years, wouldn't £8 million be the bargain of the century?

How much DID Inter spend during last summer?

[koolkamal]

In all seriousness.. For a guy who is going to captain Brazil to victory in the next World Cup and be as good as Xavi in 2-3 years, wouldn't £8 million be the bargain of the century?

Would have been, luckily he still plays for us.

[Yorkykopite]

Interesting read, this

Forget that just for a moment. Will you be taking up the tasty challenge I offered you?

Or are you gonna wimp out like a thing that wimps out?   

[Not funny reecehenebry]

"Kuyt's worse than Lucas, so why aren't we hating on him!"

Can I have the money?

[GrkStav]

An indication of world class status if ever i saw one!

Please provide the textual evidence (i.e. quotes from actual posts, complete with surrounding sentences) demonstrating that claims have been put forth regarding Lucas Leiva's "world class status".

Otherwise, humorous, serious, snarky, obnoxious, polite, etc. refutations of Lucas Leiva's alleged "world class status" are completely vacuous.

[GrkStav]

Maybe he sticks with Liverpool because no other clubs have shown any interest in signing him thus far?

What kind of evidence would disprove your claim that "no other clubs have shown any interest in signing him thus far"?

[GrkStav]

Prepare yourself, good sir, for the torrent of abuse you are about to receive.

What qualifies as "abuse" let alone "a torrent of abuse"?

[Yorkykopite]

Can I have the money?

Bang to rights guv, it's a fair cop mi old rozzer. Money's in yer bank account  .

However I think I'm now allowed to say that RBrittain is a Fucking Wanker. Here goes. RBrittain is a Fucking Wanker.

[GrkStav]

No point telling someone they're wrong but not qualifying it.

What clubs have shown any sort of interest in signing Lucas since he has been a Liverpool player?

It turns out you were factually, empirically wrong. Right?

[GrkStav]

All the banter is fine and good and fun (at times) but the question that still remains is not why we should keep Lucas but WHETHER we are going to keep Lucas. In short, have we heard anything regarding a contract offer being made to Lucas by FSG/LFC?

[leivapool]

All the banter is fine and good and fun (at times) but the question that still remains is not why we should keep Lucas but WHETHER we are going to keep Lucas. In short, have we heard anything regarding a contract offer being made to Lucas by FSG/LFC?

I made his point a couple of hundred thousand posts ago  and got mocked. 

Will Lucas stay i.e Will we offer him a new contract?

Does he want to stay?  I mean, I know he is loyal and loves the club and fans, but he's also a winner.  Can we offer what he wants, or are we going to let him go and find ourselves regretting it hugely when his much 'discussed' abilities flourish at another club and he does become 'world class'!

[Not funny reecehenebry]

Bang to rights guv, it's a fair cop mi old rozzer. Money's in yer bank account  .

However I think I'm now allowed to say that RBrittain is a Fucking Wanker. Here goes. RBrittain is a Fucking Wanker.

'Arry that you?

[tboz]

A lot in there that I agree with.

I'd like to ask the people that don't rate Lucas one question.  If he's not that good and overrated by Leiva-Lovers why was he so frequently in the starting 11 for Rafa and Roy...add Kenny there because not only has he kept him there since being in charge he hasn't even subbed him.

simple answer is because there is kno other option and shelvey needs experience.

[impz]

simple answer is because there is kno other option and shelvey needs experience.

Well there was that lad Gerrard and then we bought that european powerhouse Poulsen and then we had Souness' second coming in Speo rotting in the reserves..

[redmark]

I replied to liverpooll, after he said people were claiming he was as good as these illustrious players. I explained he'd got it wrong.

Then liverpooll goes and posts this.

So redmark, Juan and others, I'd like to ask you. What basis for discussion is there, when there is such a fundamental disconnection between what people say and what people hear?

Some people don't read, or don't understand when they do. However, a reasoned level of discussion will be getting across to others and makes the thread a better place.

[GrkStav]

simple answer is because there is kno other option and shelvey needs experience.

So, neither Rafa nor Hodgson (nor KD, so far) have had any other options in CM that were as good or better (reliably so) than Lucas, right? Sounds plausible. It says NOTHING about his quality level, though.

[GonzalezIsARed]

In all seriousness.. For a guy who is going to captain Brazil to victory in the next World Cup and be as good as Xavi in 2-3 years, wouldn't £8 million be the bargain of the century?

deary me.

[RBrittain]

It turns out you were factually, empirically wrong. Right?

Oh, fair enough. I was wrong.

Keep up with the thread, pal. I was wrong. How does this relate to you?

I had assumed there there had been no interest in him from other clubs, but I was wrong. There had been... from Stoke, Rafa Benitez (but Inter wouldn't go above £5 mill), Palermo and a few Spanish clubs.

[impz]

Keep up with the thread, pal. I was wrong. How does this relate to you?

I had assumed there there had been no interest in him from other clubs, but I was wrong. There had been... from Stoke, Rafa Benitez (but Inter wouldn't go above £5 mill), Palermo and a few Spanish clubs.

And Lyon apparently

[Not funny reecehenebry]

Keep up with the thread, pal. I was wrong. How does this relate to you?

I had assumed there there had been no interest in him from other clubs, but I was wrong. There had been... from Stoke, Rafa Benitez (but Inter wouldn't go above £5 mill), Palermo and a few Spanish clubs.

You haven't replied to either Yorkies question or mine.

Could you please do so.

[redmark]

Redmark - Whelan was a little before my time. Seen the odd game on the tele thanks to the club channel but the first thought I have of him is the curler against the Mancs in the league cup final, which is probably unaccurate. And I'd find it difficult to compare Lucas to that.

... Havant and Waterlooville wasn't a bad effort though.

That goal in particular came during the first half of his career as a tucked-in left midfielder expected to get forwards, be creative and score goals (I think Ian Rush mentions in his autobiography that his own emergence was a boost to Whelan, as the two fitted each other's style better - Rush's pace suited Whelan's quick release and attacking passing).

In the second half of his career, following the arrival of Barnes, he became the quiet, "what-exactly-does-he-do" central midfielder, sitting and keeping things simple (with an occasional lethal but subtly delivered two footed tackle thrown in) while McMahon became the all action hero.

[RigBon1892]

Was a German side interested in him too was there not?

[RBrittain]

Btw, a few people keep listing Roy Hodgson when they say "He was rated by this manager, that manager.."

Since when did Liverpool fans hold Roy's opinion in such high esteem?

Still too early to say what Kenny Dalglish will do with Lucas. He's had little choice but to play him, especially with Gerrard being out. Not saying that he won't play him, but you guys would be better off leaving Roy and Kenny out of your list. "He is rated by Benitez and Menezes" is a fair argument in itself, but including Roy and Dalglish in there is shaky.

[Not funny reecehenebry]

Btw, a few people keep listing Roy Hodgson when they say "He was rated by this manager, that manager.."

Since when did Liverpool fans hold Roy's opinion in such high esteem?

Still too early to say what Kenny Dalglish will do with Lucas. He's had little choice but to play him, especially with Gerrard being out. Not saying that he won't play him, but you guys would be better off leaving Roy and Kenny out of your list. "He is rated by Benitez and Menezes" is a fair argument in itself, but including Roy and Dalglish in there is shaky.

Any chance of answering the questions we asked lad?

[RigBon1892]

OK fine, he's rated by Dunga as well.

[Chakan]

Any chance of answering the questions we asked lad?

Maybe he forgot what they are? Maybe a helpful link to the questions

[impz]

Btw, a few people keep listing Roy Hodgson when they say "He was rated by this manager, that manager.."

Since when did Liverpool fans hold Roy's opinion in such high esteem?

Still too early to say what Kenny Dalglish will do with Lucas. He's had little choice but to play him, especially with Gerrard being out. Not saying that he won't play him, but you guys would be better off leaving Roy and Kenny out of your list. "He is rated by Benitez and Menezes" is a fair argument in itself, but including Roy and Dalglish in there is shaky.

Look just because Roy wasn't a very good manager for us doesn't mean he's rubbish.

He's decent but he was never going to handle the job... That and his philosophy was the opposite of the side he inherited..

The only thing he did right really was to play Lucas instead of Poulsen.

[GrkStav]

Keep up with the thread, pal. I was wrong. How does this relate to you?

I had assumed there there had been no interest in him from other clubs, but I was wrong. There had been... from Stoke, Rafa Benitez (but Inter wouldn't go above £5 mill), Palermo and a few Spanish clubs.

Excuse me?

[RBrittain]

You haven't replied to either Yorkies question or mine.

Could you please do so.

Your question was "How much DID Inter spend last summer?"

I don't have the answer off the top of my head, but I figured if you wanted to know, just look it up. Why get me to find out stuff for you? If you want to make a point, just make it, but I'm not going to scurry round looking for stats for you.

As for Yorky's question, no, because I would feel guilty to take £100,000 off him.

[RigBon1892]

Your question was "How much DID Inter spend last summer?"

I don't have the answer off the top of my head, but I figured if you wanted to know, just look it up. Why get me to find out stuff for you? If you want to make a point, just make it, but I'm not going to scurry round looking for stats for you.
As for Yorky's question, no, because I would feel guilty to take £100,000 off him.

I think the point reece was making was that it wasn't that the £8m figure was too high, it was that Inter didn't pony up money for ANYONE.

[El Campeador]

but including Roy and Dalglish in there is shaky.

It's not though. It's an even stronger example, because if any manager was thick enough to drop and sell Lucas, it'd have been Roy, and even he, after initially watching Purslow trying to shop Lucas around, himself bought Poulsen and Raul. He had chances to improve the midfield. He spent over 10m on Raul and something like 5m on Poulsen, while still planning on deploying Gerrard at CM and Joe Cole in the hole.

The fact that even fucking Hodgson ended up trotting Lucas out there game after game, after having 15m to spend on replacements (after getting 18m from Masch) speaks to Lucas's credibility more than Roy's incompetence.

If anyone was gonna agree with the Muppet Show around here that the kid deserves even a sliver of slating, it'd have been Hogdson. Yet the only thing that Hodgson had that looked good in his God-forsaken shite time on Merseyside was the Lucas-Raul combination.

[RigBon1892]

So what your saying is if Gerrard's fit, Lucas wouldn't get the playing time he's got.  And why can't Kenny's short reign be used in this ?  He's had 3 games and could've tried a midfield mixing Meireles-Poulsen-Shelvey-Spearing in any way or form.   Could even go further and throw Aurelio into the mix.

Glen too. (But that would meaning playing PFK)

[tboz]

So, neither Rafa nor Hodgson (nor KD, so far) have had any other options in CM that were as good or better (reliably so) than Lucas, right? Sounds plausible. It says NOTHING about his quality level, though.

Benitez had nothing to spend, hodgson spent on meireles but lost masch. do you think if we kept masch then lucas would be in the team? of course not,
In the long term if we are going to become great again do you really feel lucas is going to the type of player capable of leading the midfield of a championship winning team?

[RBrittain]

Excuse me?

Why is it important to you to point out to people that they were wrong, even after they have admitted they were wrong (and you weren't even involved in the original discussion)?

Maybe he sticks with Liverpool because no other clubs have shown any interest in signing him thus far?

Oh, fair enough. I was wrong.

It turns out you were factually, empirically wrong. Right?

Just seemed a bizarre thing to say, asking me to confirm that I was "factually, empirically wrong" an hour after I had admitted being wrong.

[El Campeador]

If I "cry that regularly" you'll have no trouble showing an example, will you?

I'll set you a little challenge to make it more interesting. I'll give you £100,000 if you can find me saying this. You give me a tenner if you can't. How about it?

They all run away when you ask them to put their money where their mouths are.

Except Juan Loco that is, who put his money where his mouth was, and then ran away.

[impz]

They all run away when you ask them to put their money where their mouths are.

Except Juan Loco that is, who put his money where his mouth was, and then ran away.

Well Mr. Loco is sound tho..

[koolkamal]

Just seemed a bizarre thing to say, asking me to confirm that I was "factually, empirically wrong" an hour after I had admitted being wrong.

He missed your comment where you said you were wrong, nothing more than that. No need to make a big thing about it.

[RBrittain]

I think the point reece was making was that it wasn't that the £8m figure was too high, it was that Inter didn't pony up money for ANYONE.

Yeah, I think that's probably it, though he'd be better off just saying that!

It's not necessarily true, of course, as we've often seen clubs go entire transfer windows without buying anyone if they can't get them for the right price (They're definitely not broke.. They've just bought Ranocchia for 12.5 million Euros).