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Re: Spurs vs Liverpool 2-1 Post Match Reaction
« Reply #680 on: August 16, 2009, 11:10:05 pm »
Havn't the last 2 teams to beat us on the opening day been relegated

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Re: Spurs vs Liverpool 2-1 Post Match Reaction
« Reply #681 on: August 16, 2009, 11:11:56 pm »
Havn't the last 2 teams to beat us on the opening day been relegated

hope so ;)

but no don't think thats right

Rafa has never lost his first game i think and before that in 2003/04 we lost to Chelsea
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Re: Spurs vs Liverpool 2-1 Post Match Reaction
« Reply #682 on: August 16, 2009, 11:14:35 pm »
I would argue the opposite. He was poor in first season, but because it was his first he was forgiven. When he carried on in the same vein in his second season, the explaination that it was his first season no longer applied and it dawned that hes not going to get any better (with us anyway, certainly not writing his carrer off, just his career with us).

How soon we forget...I have fond memories of his 1st season. That's why everyone was so disapointed last season because his first got everyone dreaming.

Were the Spurs defenders swarming him today because he wasn't a threat? Or because the centre of the pitch was a dead zone...

There were points where he had collected 4 Spurs players around him!

Benayoun was effective because of his passing and because he linked-up with Gerard and Torres with all his movement towards the middle. 

The man plays on the left for the Dutch squad against England...but he ain't good enough for us according to some here...I think we should be more patient.



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Re: Spurs vs Liverpool 2-1 Post Match Reaction
« Reply #683 on: August 16, 2009, 11:14:39 pm »
hope so ;)
I know Forest,But cant remember the team before that.but I'm sure I'm right
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Re: Spurs vs Liverpool 2-1 Post Match Reaction
« Reply #684 on: August 16, 2009, 11:17:01 pm »
Shit start, but it's always possible to lose to Spurs....they're that type of team.  Important game midweek now, not just because it would be nice to get the points, but because it's a home game against a 'weaker' side.  I think it's vital we get an early home win, especially against a side we'd normally draw with.
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Re: Spurs vs Liverpool 2-1 Post Match Reaction
« Reply #685 on: August 16, 2009, 11:17:57 pm »
After what Palacios went through earlier this year (his brother being found dead, only verified by DNA) he deserved his plaudits today.  Great player, a steal for £12M as well.

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Re: Spurs vs Liverpool 2-1 Post Match Reaction
« Reply #686 on: August 16, 2009, 11:18:07 pm »
Lucas reminds me of Danny Murphy, competent, good on the ball, but unable to stamp his authority on the game or, more importantly, dictate the tempo and flow of the game (alonso was  a master at this, calm, assured, unhurried). He is adequate cover, no more.

Babel is strange, we persevere on the left with him where he has no impact, when he looks like an out and out striker to me, I wonder sometimes if he would be an incredible striker with a different team?

Our problems in pre-season, today (and I fear for the rest of the season) stem from midfield. We do not have a player to control the game, set the tempo, pass, receive, pass, receive, a footballing metronome. United have Carrick and Andersen for this, Chelsea, Ballack and Lampard, Arsenal have Fabregas.

The difference between top sides and mid-table is the presence (or absence) of said players. The problem with losing Alsono was not that he was irreplaceable but rather he was not replaced with a like for like player. Gerrard is not this type, he is dynamic, explosive in parts of the game, anonymous in others. Lucas and Mascherano are a certain type of player, but are never going to pass teams to death. Aquilani, well we'll wait and see.

I'm not suggesting we will fall apart without Alonso, but there will be a lot more huff and puff and lot less smooth and silky wins.
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Re: Spurs vs Liverpool 2-1 Post Match Reaction
« Reply #687 on: August 16, 2009, 11:18:49 pm »
I cant understand the bashing of Babel, he came to us a better player than he is now, described by Van Bastern as the best 20 year old he had ever seen (or something to that effect). The fact is he is not a left winger, how Rafa ignores this baffles me, the lad has no confidence and it shows.
For the Dutch the other night he ripped Johnson apart, Rafa does not stike me as the hand round the shoulder sort of guy.

He was playing on the left that night. Beside Vandervart (middle) and Vanpersie (right). Kuyt was the lone forward.

That's why he was terrorizing the English right back Johnson

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Re: Spurs vs Liverpool 2-1 Post Match Reaction
« Reply #688 on: August 16, 2009, 11:21:13 pm »
Lucas had a good game today, thats another positive.

Just watched on MOTD the vital block to stop Lennon's run on goal. Completely missed it earlier.

It seemed for many parts Lucas and Masch were all over eachother in every area of midfield, they left a lot of open space for the likes of Huddlestone and Modric to run into the middle because they were too busy tackling the same player together. There just didn't seem to be enough trust in one another or they weren't on the same wavelength. I could say the same today about Carra and Skrtel.

Ahh, pressing refresh and waiting for news... just like the bad old days.

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Re: Spurs vs Liverpool 2-1 Post Match Reaction
« Reply #689 on: August 16, 2009, 11:21:54 pm »
I genuinely hope that was Babel's last appearance in a red shirt. He is a terrible player with an attitude to match.
anyone know what actually happened to ribery's face?
Just a routine tackle by Skrtel

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Re: Spurs vs Liverpool 2-1 Post Match Reaction
« Reply #690 on: August 16, 2009, 11:22:56 pm »
He was playing on the left that night.
It's really weird. Watching him on the left for Liverpool, I often think he must need to be redeployed through the middle because he's so obviously talented yet so poor. But although I didn't watch the game (I don't give a fuck about meaningless international friendlies), I gather he did alright.

Maybe he's just not a good fit at Liverpool. He's fast running out of time now to produce a spell of consistent form.

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Re: Spurs vs Liverpool 2-1 Post Match Reaction
« Reply #691 on: August 16, 2009, 11:23:19 pm »
This season will provide its unexpected twists and turns, but already there are some familiar aspects. Had Alex Ferguson moaned about the referee like Rafa did today, not a word would have been said by any journalist like the fella in the article at the start of the previous page. Ferguson gets the benefit of the doubt even when he outright lies, Rafa has a point and he's just straining to do some explaining, right?

I'm not overly concerned by today's game, we lost to Spurs last season at their place, so at least we haven't lost more points than we did last time. We know that when our team is full-strength, we are amongst the best in the League. Today was a sluggish start, true, Torres in particular looked a little off the pace. But we grew into the game as it went on, and though Spurs were good value for their win, you can see the lads getting over this and improving, especially when Aquilani and Riera come in. Three points against Stoke on Wednesday night will be an improvement on last season, and will hopefully allow us to kick on again. We know Alonso is a loss, but to listen to some pundits he's left an unfillable hole. Nonsense. We did ok today once we came out of our shell, and that's something you can say about plenty of Liverpool away games last season when we took 86 points. We were unlucky enough to get a  tough opening fixture. United and Chelsea struggled to beat the dregs of the Premier League, but they get the plaudits. Let them. We played averagely today, but it isn't the first time, and no trophies worth a damn are handed out in August.

That’s not to say I wasn’t frustrated, but it was about wider issues. With Chelsea having been given a baffling six minutes injury-time on Saturday to beat Hull at Stamford Bridge, we were reminded once again today of the disadvantages that Liverpool must overcome. Frequently Chelsea and Man Utd will benefit from the small details, a generously-awarded extra couple of minutes of injury-time or the benefit of the doubt on a free-kick. Liverpool get their share of luck the same as most other teams, but the more you watch United and Chelsea games the more little decisions you see them getting that Liverpool simply don’t, and the frustration it brings is unbearable at times.

Today, Phil Dowd called back Pepe Reina’s kick-out twice in the 90th minute in order to go over and send Sammy Lee to the dressing-room for something said to the fourth official. A few seconds after the game restarted, the same fourth official indicated that there was three minutes added time. Three minutes which clearly did not include the time taken (at least a minute) to talk to the fourth official and send Lee off. Time which did include the standard two and a half minutes to cover the five substitutions in the second half (thirty seconds each). So aside from that, only thirty seconds of added time in a second half where Tottenham increasingly took their time over free-kicks and throws?

Now in the three added minutes, we have the delay for Lee’s sending-off (clearly not included in the three minutes), another Spurs substitute (thirty seconds) and a delay of a minute while Dowd called Huddlestone and Torres over for a chat. At least five minutes should have played in the end, yet Dowd blows at 93:15 when Liverpool (so renowned for late goals that Tyler and Gray were joking about it for the entire second half on Sky) were coming forward in possession once again. Now maybe the attack would have come to nothing, but maybe it would. Chelsea got six minutes out of nowhere on Saturday (only four subs in the second half), United got five against Villa last season, yet Liverpool are not even worthy of the correct amount of injury-time? This, by the way, is ignoring the blatant foul on Torres by Huddlestone near the end that should have resulted in a free on the edge of the Tottenham box, and the fair shout we had for a penalty when Voronin was eased out of the way.

I remain convinced, now more than ever, that it is the small details, the soft frees here, the extra couple of minutes injury-time there, that separate the champions from the rest. Liverpool continue to struggle on that score every bit as much as United and Chelsea prosper. I might not be overly worried by Liverpool’s performance today, by the pundits who see the team who apparently only had two players last season (Torres and Gerrard) as now being doomed by the departure of their new, er, old best player (Alonso). But this is a factor that does concern me. Small details win titles, and some small details went against us today.
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Re: Spurs vs Liverpool 2-1 Post Match Reaction
« Reply #692 on: August 16, 2009, 11:24:23 pm »
As bad as he played today. I would to see him feature more in games.

Here in lies the cunundrum, do we consign him to another season of appearances off the bench? Or do we trust that by giving him enough starts that he'll rediscover the form he showed in his first season? I'd plump for the latter, and I'm still optimistic that he'll find some vain of form. But if by January he has 10+ starts under his belt, and is still struggling, then I think we should listen to offers for him if they come in. I'm hoping it doesn't come to that though, I still think he can grow into a very good player, fingers crossed.
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Re: Spurs vs Liverpool 2-1 Post Match Reaction
« Reply #693 on: August 16, 2009, 11:24:24 pm »
We would have won the match if Benayoun started instead of Babel. Lucas is not a tempo setter, he's a possession player, and played great. That is all.

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Re: Spurs vs Liverpool 2-1 Post Match Reaction
« Reply #694 on: August 16, 2009, 11:25:20 pm »
Lucas had a good game today, thats another positive.
It's hard to find the positives in an opening day defeat, but there are some.

Like you say, Lucas did alright. But he does need to create more.

Reina was superb.

Johnson did ok defensively and showed exactly what we're hoping for with the penalty win.

Ayala got a taste of the Premier League and he's only 18.

Benayoun was class.

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Re: Spurs vs Liverpool 2-1 Post Match Reaction
« Reply #695 on: August 16, 2009, 11:25:58 pm »
I genuinely hope that was Babel's last appearance in a red shirt. He is a terrible player with an attitude to match.

great attitude to have yourself. no idea how you feel you can comment on other peoples attitude

anyway see you happy lot on wednesday
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Re: Spurs vs Liverpool 2-1 Post Match Reaction
« Reply #696 on: August 16, 2009, 11:26:47 pm »
He was playing on the left that night. Beside Vandervart (middle) and Vanpersie (right). Kuyt was the lone forward.

That's why he was terrorizing the English right back Johnson
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Re: Spurs vs Liverpool 2-1 Post Match Reaction
« Reply #697 on: August 16, 2009, 11:27:58 pm »
I genuinely hope that was Babel's last appearance in a red shirt. He is a terrible player with an attitude to match.

I bet you suffer from premature ejaculation don't you? Hence why you're in this thread making idiotic statements, while your missus is finishing herself off with a giant jelly stick.
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Re: Spurs vs Liverpool 2-1 Post Match Reaction
« Reply #698 on: August 16, 2009, 11:29:34 pm »
great attitude to have yourself. no idea how you feel you can comment on other peoples attitude

anyway see you happy lot on wednesday

It's a forum, I come on here to comment about players attitudes. And Babel's is shit. No fight, no heart and no desire. Fact.
anyone know what actually happened to ribery's face?
Just a routine tackle by Skrtel

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« Reply #699 on: August 16, 2009, 11:31:32 pm »
I bet you suffer from premature ejaculation don't you? Hence why you're in this thread making idiotic statements, while your missus is finishing herself off with a giant jelly stick.
Ha ha, that's pretty funny (if a bit uncalled-for).

To be fair, Babel was shite today. Mind you, he wasn't alone.

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« Reply #700 on: August 16, 2009, 11:32:08 pm »
I bet you suffer from premature ejaculation don't you? Hence why you're in this thread making idiotic statements, while your missus is finishing herself off with a giant jelly stick.
Or your blind faith makes you the wanker
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Re: Spurs vs Liverpool 2-1 Post Match Reaction
« Reply #701 on: August 16, 2009, 11:33:46 pm »
I bet you suffer from premature ejaculation don't you? Hence why you're in this thread making idiotic statements, while your missus is finishing herself off with a giant jelly stick.

Hardly a knee jerk reaction, if that's what you're suggesting. He's had this problem for his entire Liverpool career, possibly before that, I'm not sure.
anyone know what actually happened to ribery's face?
Just a routine tackle by Skrtel

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Re: Spurs vs Liverpool 2-1 Post Match Reaction
« Reply #702 on: August 16, 2009, 11:35:15 pm »
We would have won the match if Benayoun started instead of Babel. Lucas is not a tempo setter, he's a possession player, and played great. That is all.

I disagree. Lucas is a tempo player. He distributes the ball with quick short passes. He should have got the ball more often from his partner and from the defenders. Unfortunately he was starved. 
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Re: Spurs vs Liverpool 2-1 Post Match Reaction
« Reply #703 on: August 16, 2009, 11:35:47 pm »
I bet you suffer from premature ejaculation don't you? Hence why you're in this thread making idiotic statements, while your missus is finishing herself off with a giant jelly stick.

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Re: Spurs vs Liverpool 2-1 Post Match Reaction
« Reply #704 on: August 16, 2009, 11:37:28 pm »
Hardly a knee jerk reaction, if that's what you're suggesting. He's had this problem for his entire Liverpool career, possibly before that, I'm not sure.
I can't believe Benitez would buy someone with a crap attitude.

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Re: Spurs vs Liverpool 2-1 Post Match Reaction
« Reply #705 on: August 16, 2009, 11:37:52 pm »
Or your blind faith makes you the wanker

My blind faith? What in gods name are you on about? Did you even read my previous post about Babel?

I said I'm hopeful that if he gets enough starts then he may find a run of form. If he's still struggling by January then I think it may be viable to consider selling him if an offer came in. Explain to me how thats's "blind faith"

 
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Re: Spurs vs Liverpool 2-1 Post Match Reaction
« Reply #706 on: August 16, 2009, 11:38:05 pm »
my only reaction is wondering how the fuck that blind c*nt and his dog managed to wave away two pens

that foul on voronin was stonewall and denied him what would have been a brilliant goal and ive seen ones like the one where that little fucker hand balled it given plenty of times

don't give a fuck if we already got one pen if they keep fouling in the box they deserve it
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Re: Spurs vs Liverpool 2-1 Post Match Reaction
« Reply #707 on: August 16, 2009, 11:38:53 pm »
It's a forum, I come on here to comment about players attitudes. And Babel's is shit. No fight, no heart and no desire. Fact.

No fight? He left the cocoon of the Dutch League to try to break into one of the best line-ups in the world.

No desire? He didn't hand in a transfer request. Alosno did.

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« Reply #708 on: August 16, 2009, 11:40:02 pm »
If I'm being honest we deserved nothing from the game, but that Voronin penalty claim was a stone waller.

Fucking Dowd.
anyone know what actually happened to ribery's face?
Just a routine tackle by Skrtel

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« Reply #709 on: August 16, 2009, 11:40:20 pm »
Hardly a knee jerk reaction, if that's what you're suggesting. He's had this problem for his entire Liverpool career, possibly before that, I'm not sure.

Same problem for his entire Liverpool career? Where were you during the latter stages of the 07/08 season? Under a fucking rock?

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Re: Spurs vs Liverpool 2-1 Post Match Reaction
« Reply #710 on: August 16, 2009, 11:41:07 pm »
Gray doing his anti- zonal marking bollocks about their 2nd goal on 'the last word' shite now I see.

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« Reply #711 on: August 16, 2009, 11:42:05 pm »
No fight? He left the cocoon of the Dutch League to try to break into one of the best line-ups in the world.

No desire? He didn't hand in a transfer request. Alosno did.

No fight and desire on the pitch in his time at Liverpool. He's stagnated.

Alonso has nothing to do with this.
anyone know what actually happened to ribery's face?
Just a routine tackle by Skrtel

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« Reply #712 on: August 16, 2009, 11:43:34 pm »
Same problem for his entire Liverpool career? Where were you during the latter stages of the 07/08 season? Under a fucking rock?

You mean when there was no pressure because we were out of the title race? Oh yeah, he was alright then I suppose. My mistake.
anyone know what actually happened to ribery's face?
Just a routine tackle by Skrtel

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« Reply #713 on: August 16, 2009, 11:43:52 pm »
No fight? He left the cocoon of the Dutch League to try to break into one of the best line-ups in the world.

No desire? He didn't hand in a transfer request. Alosno did.


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Re: Spurs vs Liverpool 2-1 Post Match Reaction
« Reply #714 on: August 16, 2009, 11:47:17 pm »
So far so bad..
We were completely overruled by them, not used to see that kind of games.
Thought that lucas played good at the first 20 minutes and then faded, and got bullied by huddlstone. Let's hope Aquilani is a different class cause if not we're pretty much doomed.

Was actually the first to offer the SG switch with benni, seconds after spurs has scored they're second.
Just seeing how many of you suggest the hole position for Yossi is incredible, when thinking that less than a year ago most of the people here wanted him out, saying he's not good enough.
Should i raise the benni-garcia debate again ? as i see no place for comparison.

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« Reply #715 on: August 16, 2009, 11:49:20 pm »
Just home after game and a day on the beer.  Almost afraid to dip into this thread!  Woeful performance, Babel can go fuck himself.  Yossi done well when he came on.  Johnson, Reina and possibly Mash only ones who can hold there heads up after that debacle. 

Serious lack of quality on the bench.  If yanks don't give Rafa money to spend before window closes there should be fucking hell to pay.
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Re: Spurs vs Liverpool 2-1 Post Match Reaction
« Reply #716 on: August 16, 2009, 11:50:02 pm »
You mean when there was no pressure because we were out of the title race? Oh yeah, he was alright then I suppose. My mistake.

No, I mean when he was a 20 year old playing his first season in England, where he actually delivered some very good performances. The mistake is obviously mine though, for pointing out that he hasn't been shite for his entire Liverpool career.
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Re: Spurs vs Liverpool 2-1 Post Match Reaction
« Reply #717 on: August 16, 2009, 11:50:58 pm »
Raf willl be fuming with owners
There are always more fortresses to torch.

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Re: Spurs vs Liverpool 2-1 Post Match Reaction
« Reply #718 on: August 16, 2009, 11:51:50 pm »
I see the Babel apologists are out in force.

A few good games in 07-08 when the entire team was playing brilliantly do not hide from the sad reality that he has been a massive disappointment overall and looks woefully short of ability. Confidence too, but he's had his chances.

Personally I think the sooner he leaves the better. Would rather see Yossi and Riera ahead of him on the left wing. It was a horrendous decision from Rafa to start him ahead of Yossi today.

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Re: Spurs vs Liverpool 2-1 Post Match Reaction
« Reply #719 on: August 16, 2009, 11:52:46 pm »
Oh behave

What I mean is it would have been easier for him to do so. He could go be a forward somewhere else.

Instead, he is working at it here. And as long as he does that and he is a red...I'll give him credit for it.

 

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