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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1800 on: August 29, 2009, 08:57:42 pm »
Think Lucas will get more and more positive recognition this season. He's etting a lot more forward than last season and linking up with the front four. Once Gerrard, Torres, Kuyt, Yossi and Riera start firing, it may be easier to see what he offers.
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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1801 on: August 29, 2009, 09:00:56 pm »
Offered fuck all to the team apart from getting fouled resulting in a 2nd yellow to their player.

No pace, no strength, no acceleration over a few yards, only plays the square pass, can't tackle, and his shooting ain't great when he's under any kind of pressure.

Don't know what planet you lot are on or god knows what you're smoking in your pipes.

Absolutely guarantee he'll make a significant contribution in one of the next two games. He's inconsistent in his form and contribution, which is hardly surprising for a 22 year old with less than 50 games under his belt.

That seems to be the lot of Lucas Leiva. He cant put a foot wrong without being hammered by people with absolutely zero perspective.

Most knowledgeable fans in the world? What a load of bullshit you make that look.

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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1802 on: August 29, 2009, 09:05:40 pm »
Offered fuck all to the team apart from getting fouled resulting in a 2nd yellow to their player.

No pace, no strength, no acceleration over a few yards, only plays the square pass, can't tackle, and his shooting ain't great when he's under any kind of pressure.

Don't know what planet you lot are on or god knows what you're smoking in your pipes.

Wow.
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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1803 on: August 29, 2009, 09:12:20 pm »
Absolutely guarantee he'll make a significant contribution in one of the next two games. He's inconsistent in his form and contribution, which is hardly surprising for a 22 year old with less than 50 games under his belt.

That seems to be the lot of Lucas Leiva. He cant put a foot wrong without being hammered by people with absolutely zero perspective.

Most knowledgeable fans in the world? What a load of bullshit you make that look.

Question - have you ever played footie in a proper team in your life?

If you did you should see how he's the player the rest of the team carry. Playing Lucas is little better than playing with 10 men, as his contribution is well below that of other players.

And Alonso was 22 when he played his debut against Bolton in 2004 and he looked absolutely superb from the off. I don't buy this slow development bollocks. He's not good enough for us unless we're happy to win nothing and struggle for 4th place this season. Can only pray Aquilani gets fit and stays fit and keeps this fella away from the first team.

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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1804 on: August 29, 2009, 09:13:07 pm »
Alonso had played 3 years at the top level.

Stop talking out of your arse.

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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1805 on: August 29, 2009, 09:13:22 pm »
Offered fuck all to the team apart from getting fouled resulting in a 2nd yellow to their player.

No pace, no strength, no acceleration over a few yards, only plays the square pass, can't tackle, and his shooting ain't great when he's under any kind of pressure.

Don't know what planet you lot are on or god knows what you're smoking in your pipes.

Agree tho I would go as far as saying he's a touch better than the picture you paint, but not good enough to get into more than half of the Premier League subs benches let alone the bloody 1st team.

Are you Liverpool 'supporters'?

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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1806 on: August 29, 2009, 09:14:57 pm »
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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1807 on: August 29, 2009, 09:18:30 pm »
fuck me, we win he gets hammered. we lose he gets hammered. welcome to our ' fans ' lucas. how about those knocking him actually get behind the lad. hes had to step into someones rather large shoes, the media are saying alonso going is the reason our form is shit, and he has to try and rectify that.

easy task it would seem according to some fucknuts on here. :wanker
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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1808 on: August 29, 2009, 09:18:50 pm »
Question - have you ever played footie in a proper team in your life?

If you did you should see how he's the player the rest of the team carry. Playing Lucas is little better than playing with 10 men, as his contribution is well below that of other players.

And Alonso was 22 when he played his debut against Bolton in 2004 and he looked absolutely superb from the off. I don't buy this slow development bollocks. He's not good enough for us unless we're happy to win nothing and struggle for 4th place this season. Can only pray Aquilani gets fit and stays fit and keeps this fella away from the first team.

Guess where Drogba was playing at 22.

Pirlo took ages to shine properly, he was being shunted about at this age. Inter knew he was talented but couldn't figure out how to use him properly.
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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1809 on: August 29, 2009, 09:22:45 pm »
Guess where Dropba was playing at 22.

Pirlo took ages to shine properly, he was being shunted about at this age. Inter knew he was talented but couldn't figure out how to use him properly.

Are seriously comparing an ordinary player like Lucas to Pirlo and Dropba?
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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1810 on: August 29, 2009, 09:24:51 pm »
Are seriously comparing an ordinary player like Lucas to Pirlo and Dropba?
Do you seriously not get the point he was trying to make, or are you being deliberately stupid?

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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1811 on: August 29, 2009, 09:25:31 pm »
Are seriously comparing an ordinary player like Lucas to Pirlo and Dropba?

He's clearly comparing their situations at the same age rather than their games now.  ::)
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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1812 on: August 29, 2009, 09:26:25 pm »
Are seriously comparing an ordinary player like Lucas to Pirlo and Dropba?

Do you even remember Pirlo? He wasn't even a midfielder, he played up front. And he was pretty shit for Inter.
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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1813 on: August 29, 2009, 09:27:27 pm »
Are seriously comparing an ordinary player like Lucas to Pirlo and Dropba?

I'll help you out here.

Didier Drogba at 22 played right back in the second division.

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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1814 on: August 29, 2009, 09:27:49 pm »
Do you seriously not get the point he was trying to make, or are you being deliberately stupid?

No those two obviously had raw quality even at a young age people could see they had a future. I can't see how the same can be said of Lucas who is no-way looking like a World Class player 3-4 years down the line.
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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1815 on: August 29, 2009, 09:27:52 pm »
Are seriously comparing an ordinary player like Lucas to Pirlo and Dropba?


fuck me. if u are indicative of the " twelfth " man then we are fucked.  i didnt realise all players were world class from the off. are they not allowed time to find their feet, find their place and role in the team.

im sure lucas must love some of the shit he has to deal with. hes being slaughtered no matter where he turns. i remember carra get slated years ago and ppl saying he wasnt up to the task.

shame he was such a fuck up.............................
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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1816 on: August 29, 2009, 09:28:56 pm »
No those two obviously had raw quality even at a young age people could see they had a future. I can't see how the same can be said of Lucas who is no-way looking like a World Class player 3-4 years down the line.

Yeah, Drogba with all his raw quality and his right back role.

Obviously.

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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1817 on: August 29, 2009, 09:29:09 pm »
I'll help you out here.

Didier Dropba at 22 played right back in the second division.
Do you even remember Pirlo? He wasn't even a midfielder, he played up front. And he was pretty shit for Inter.

Just shows you how good they are to have achieved what they have now.
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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1818 on: August 29, 2009, 09:29:36 pm »
this is the same lucas that started in the 4-1 battering of united last year? makes the score line even more incredible if united were essentially playing ten men  ;D

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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1819 on: August 29, 2009, 09:29:44 pm »
No those two obviously had raw quality even at a young age people could see they had a future. I can't see how the same can be said of Lucas who is no-way looking like a World Class player 3-4 years down the line.
Sorry mate, you're talking complete and utter bollocks.

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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1820 on: August 29, 2009, 09:29:59 pm »
Just shows you how good they are to have achieved what they have now.

AND BANG.

HE MAY GET THE POINT.

But probably not.

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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1821 on: August 29, 2009, 09:30:14 pm »
Just shows you how good they are to have achieved what they have now.
That is shockingly dumb.

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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1822 on: August 29, 2009, 09:31:21 pm »
No those two obviously had raw quality even at a young age people could see they had a future. I can't see how the same can be said of Lucas who is no-way looking like a World Class player 3-4 years down the line.

Are you fucking kidding me? Drogba had been absolute shite for years and was bought by Marseille 'cos they were desperate. Even they were surprised by the season he had with them.

Pirlo on the other hand had the quality, sure, but no one could figure out what to do with it.

Okay, fine, what about a player like Petit? Utility player before Wenger got hold of him, put him alongside Vieira and ended up having a World Cup winners medal.

Then went to Barcelona and became a utility player.
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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1823 on: August 29, 2009, 09:32:18 pm »
Just shows you how good they are to have achieved what they have now.
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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1824 on: August 29, 2009, 09:33:16 pm »
Question - have you ever played footie in a proper team in your life?

Yes. I played to University level, regularly playing 2 11-a-side matches a week. Most of my family comes from a football background. Why?

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Playing Lucas is little better than playing with 10 men

Hyperbole.

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And Alonso was 22 when he played his debut against Bolton in 2004 and he looked absolutely superb from the off. I don't buy this slow development bollocks.

Not sure I mentioned anything about "slow development". They're your choice of words.

Look, you don't rate Lucas. That's fine. He's not massively impressed me either but his career is what it is so far and isn't pinned to any other player.  It's futile to hold up Alonso's early career as some sort of justification for your dislike of Lucas.

Developing footballers is not a linear process and if you expect player X to be at the same level as player Y and on the same time lines you'll struggle to find real world examples.

Am sure we both agree that Alonso is, was and always will be a very special player. Constantly comparing 2 players at very different stages is illogical and just seems to feed your irrational ideas.

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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1825 on: August 29, 2009, 09:34:05 pm »
He may become a manufactured world class player but for me he does not have any natural qualities like passing vision and ability, speed, touch etc that says even a few years down the line he will become one of the best players in his position on this planet. Can't see it. You could see it with Gerro at 22, you could see it with Fowler, McManaman etc.
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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1826 on: August 29, 2009, 09:35:51 pm »
Lucas has more of a footballing brain now than Gerrard does.

A big statement but I stand by it.
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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1827 on: August 29, 2009, 09:36:22 pm »
He may become a manufactured world class player but for me he does not have any natural qualities like passing vision and ability, speed, touch etc that says even a few years down the line he will become one of the best players in his position on this planet. Can't see it. You could see it with Gerro at 22, you could see it with Fowler, McManaman etc.
How on earth do you 'manufacture' a world class player that apparently has no natural qualities?

I think it's safe to say you have absolutely no idea.

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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1828 on: August 29, 2009, 09:36:22 pm »
No those two obviously had raw quality even at a young age people could see they had a future. I can't see how the same can be said of Lucas who is no-way looking like a World Class player 3-4 years down the line.

Oh fuck off. I may get banned for this, but you are one daft twat. Don't you seriously get the point others are trying to make?

Getting back, Lucas looked very lively today. Made good passes and went forward to join in attack. He tackled pretty well too. He's improving with every game he plays.

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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1829 on: August 29, 2009, 09:37:11 pm »
He may become a manufactured world class player but for me he does not have any natural qualities like passing vision and ability, speed, touch etc that says even a few years down the line he will become one of the best players in his position on this planet. Can't see it. .

Unlike Baros?
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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1830 on: August 29, 2009, 09:41:15 pm »
I had no idea Didier dog-pound was playing in defence. That is quite impressive considering where he is at the moment.

OK I may be deliberately being facetious. Lucas ain't that bad a player nor is he anything to shout about. Using his age and saying look he's only 22 does not cut it. Either he's good enough now or not. At present for me he is not. Nor does he show any signs that he will be a world beater anytime soon.
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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1831 on: August 29, 2009, 09:42:10 pm »
He may become a manufactured world class player but for me he does not have any natural qualities like passing vision and ability, speed, touch etc that says even a few years down the line he will become one of the best players in his position on this planet. Can't see it. You could see it with Gerro at 22, you could see it with Fowler, McManaman etc.

That doesn't make any sense. Manufactured world class? What is this concept you have created?

How do you "manufacture" a world class player with no "natural qualities"? If it were that simple then we are looking at Sissoko being FIFA World Player of the Year soon.

Lets apply some basic Darwinism here - the best players make it to the pinnacle of the game. Its unlikely Lucas will be in that category though.

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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1832 on: August 29, 2009, 10:03:11 pm »


SMD you maybe right, in fact a lot of people feel Gerrard before Rafa came to us use to run around like Kuyt on meth-amphetamine.
That doesn't make any sense. Manufactured world class? What is this concept you have created?

How do you "manufacture" a world class player with no "natural qualities"? If it were that simple then we are looking at Sissoko being FIFA World Player of the Year soon.

Lets apply some basic Darwinism here - the best players make it to the pinnacle of the game. Its unlikely Lucas will be in that category though.

Manufactured world class players like the French water-carrier, or indeed Drogba who at 22 I am told was playing in defence in the second division in France. Carragher is also an example while not quite in the world-class bracket his industry, attitude and desire made him into a top quality player. Obviously not all players who show precocious talents when young make it (Owen). 
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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1833 on: August 29, 2009, 10:04:59 pm »
Have you finally got it?

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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1834 on: August 29, 2009, 10:07:46 pm »
Manufactured world class players like the French water-carrier, or indeed Dropba who at 22 I am told was playing in defence in the second division in France. Carragher is also an example while not quite in the world-class bracket his industry, attitude and desire made him into a top quality player. Obviously not all players who show precocious talents when young make it (Owen). 

How is Deschamps manufactured? He made up for his lack of physical ability by being an incredibly clever footballer. He was a defensive midfielder without the need for lunging challenges or lung busting runs. He's only called a water carrier cos Cantona hated his guts.
If we had Deschamps in the mid 90s, we'd have probably won the league at least once.

Drogba is Heskey with balls. Heskey has all the physical and technical attributes to be a complete striker and nearly made it. But he didn't.

Lucas has balls. His own fans distrust him and he still doesn't hide. His own team mates don't support him and he doesn't hide. He has vision, he has technique and what he lacks in experience he makes up for in level headedness.

I said it before and I'll say it again. If it wasn't for Lucas coming on for Gerrard in the derby, he wouldn't nearly get as much vitriol as he does now.

FFS, Lucas pisses all over Redknapp and we used to fawn over him.
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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1835 on: August 29, 2009, 10:07:52 pm »
Playing Lucas is little better than playing with 10 men

Retards R Us have done another drop off I see.

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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1836 on: August 29, 2009, 10:11:14 pm »
Have you finally got it?

What that he's young, has a footballing brain, was Brazillian under18 captain that won the Olympics. Links up play well, has a good attitude, is being asked to fill the boots of one of the best players in his position on the planet. And he is only 22!

Can someone please post how many goals and assists he has playing for us.
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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1837 on: August 29, 2009, 10:12:25 pm »
What that he's young, has a footballing brain, was Brazillian under18 captain that won the Olympics. Links up play well, has a good attitude, is being asked to fill the boots of one of the best players in his position on the planet. And he is only 22!

Can someone please post how many goals and assists he has playing for us.

More than Alonso.
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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1838 on: August 29, 2009, 10:14:43 pm »
How is Deschamps manufactured? He made up for his lack of physical ability by being an incredibly clever footballer. He was a defensive midfielder without the need for lunging challenges or lung busting runs. He's only called a water carrier cos Cantona hated his guts.
If we had Deschamps in the mid 90s, we'd have probably won the league at least once.

Dropba is Heskey with balls. Heskey has all the physical and technical attributes to be a complete striker and nearly made it. But he didn't.

Lucas has balls. His own fans distrust him and he still doesn't hide. His own team mates don't support him and he doesn't hide. He has vision, he has technique and what he lacks in experience he makes up for in level headedness.

I said it before and I'll say it again. If it wasn't for Lucas coming on for Gerrard in the derby, he wouldn't nearly get as much vitriol as he does now.

FFS, Lucas pisses all over Redknapp and we used to fawn over him.


Sounds like Aquilani will have a huge fight on his hands to remove Lucas from the team then. Rafa should have bought another striker just in case Torres gets injured with that money rather than buying the Italian.
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Re: Lucas a cut above as trim inspires improved Liverpool FC form
« Reply #1839 on: August 29, 2009, 10:16:23 pm »
Can someone please post how many goals and assists he has playing for us.

You do know that someone (like me) will come back and say Alonso didn't have that many either, yet he was an important member of our team.

Lucas has balls. His own fans distrust him and he still doesn't hide. His own team mates don't support him and he doesn't hide. He has vision, he has technique and what he lacks in experience he makes up for in level headedness.

I think those qualities aren't 'showy' enough, hence some people's attitude towards Lucas.
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