Topic: Star Trek

[Brian Blessed]

I’m doing a DS9 rewatch at the moment myself.

Yeah, couldn’t sit through one and two again, so I googled the good or important episodes, maybe watched 8 from those two seasons each. But doing all episodes from 3 onwards.

I used this guide.

Although if I’d never watched it, I would watch them all.

https://mashable.com/article/star-trek-deep-space-nine-condensed-how-to-watch-the-most-story-driven-trek-1613741

[TepidT2O]

Thing is, I never watched the first 3 or 4 series..

So I never had a clue what’s was going on when I did watch it.

[Brian Blessed]

Thing is, I never watched the first 3 or 4 series..

So I never had a clue what’s was going on when I did watch it.

Ha, yeah, you need at least three and four.

I watched from the beginning, but moved countries and missed quite a few from the last five seasons, so I’m looking forward to completing. My impression has always been that the orb storyline set up in the pilot was largely dropped and they went dominion war instead. I hope I’m wrong, but it’s not great halfway through season 4.

[PaulF]

The actor that played Gaius in bsg being in series 2 is always quite jarring .

[Circa1892]

I’m doing a DS9 rewatch at the moment myself.

Yeah, couldn’t sit through one and two again, so I googled the good or important episodes, maybe watched 8 from those two seasons each. But doing all episodes from 3 onwards.

I used this guide.

Although if I’d never watched it, I would watch them all.

https://mashable.com/article/star-trek-deep-space-nine-condensed-how-to-watch-the-most-story-driven-trek-1613741

I’ve been doing a rewatch and, for the first time in about 20 years actually watching them all.

If I have to sit through the episode where O’Brien is recruited to shout at a cloud then so do you…

[oojason]

^ I would watch this. Even if it was him just shouting at a cloud...

[Brian Blessed]

I’ve been doing a rewatch and, for the first time in about 20 years actually watching them all.

If I have to sit through the episode where O’Brien is recruited to shout at a cloud then so do you…

Haha, was that “if wishes were horses”?

And I’m sorry, but I am halfway through season 4, no going back now!

[Circa1892]

Haha, was that “if wishes were horses”?

And I’m sorry, but I am halfway through season 4, no going back now!

No that's the one with Rumpelstilksin. Haven't reach that one yet...

There are some essentials in Series 1 to 3 (anything that introduces the Dominion, Duet etc) - but the episode/telemovie where Worf is introduced is an absolute game changer.

[PaulF]

Just finished S2 of Picard .

I've always liked Jeri Ryan , but she suddenly got a lot better since about 6pm on Sunday

[Circa1892]

Would never have seen the guest star this week coming. Always a character who I felt warranted a return and it was perfectly done. Probably the best character interaction of the whole series.

[kaesarsosei]

So S3 of Picard is making me even angrier at S1 and S2. We are only getting 3 seasons, and they wasted the first two on utter shite.

S3 is getting better with each episode, the latest one was the best yet. The best episode of Star Trek for at least 20 years in fact.

[[new username under construction]]

Starting to really like Shaw

[telekon]

I’ve decided to watch s2 of Picard. Halfway through and, if anything, it’s worse than s1. Who decided that the voyage home rehash crossed with a season long Q story was a good idea?!?! Alison Pill and the late Annie Wersching are the only thing keeping me watching.

She pretty much tows S2 for me, and she was great in S1 as well.

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Did not care for her character being sort of killed off midway through.

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[A-Bomb]

That episode was BOSS! Hairs on back of neck awesome.

[KillieRed]

Episode 6 was nostalgic feel goodness.

Where were the writers on series 1 & 2?

[Circa1892]

Episode 6 was nostalgic feel goodness.

Where were the writers on series 1 & 2?

The whole series is just better and better. So far the legacy actors have been really well used. Frakes just fits Riker like a glove.

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The changelings stealing Picards body seems a bit odd - the whole Irumodic Syndrome that him and the kid have must actually be something else? Also interesting they made a point of showing they had Kirk’s body there. Them keeping the bodies is weird - unless they plan to one-up the Michelle Forbes cameo with Shatner…

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[lobsterboy]

Picard season 3 knocking it out if the park!

[djahern]

Such a fab episode, loved every minute of it.

Annoying they wasted 2 whole series to get to here though.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Really loving Picard. Absolutely excellent.

My favourite character by a country mile is Captain Liam Shaw

He's fucking hilarious

[thejbs]

I guess I’m the one dissenting voice, then. I think it’s sitting somewhere between middling and mediocre for me. Loads of fan service and very little story. Oh look, we’ve found another way to bring back data in a convoluted way that explains Brent Spiner aging… there’s an over-reliance on legacy characters.

The opening scene in the latest episode where the pantomime baddie explains the plot in the style of the wicked witch of the west was laughable - absolutely terrible writing.

Out of curiosity, I just binged S4 of discovery. It’s an utter abomination. Took a season to tell a story that TNG would’ve covered in an episode. So whiny and unlikeable. The most annoying thing was that every time there was a time sensitive, critical moment, we’d get a five minute monologue about all their personal anguish and inadequacies, and childhood traumas.

[BER]

This crew is surely going to get their own show after this?

[kopite321]

I had no love for Picard series one and two.... series three? I love it!

[Circa1892]

I had no love for Picard series one and two.... series three? I love it!

I think the difference isn’t so much just the legacy characters but it’s actually picking up on unfinished narratives.

DS9 wrapped itself up nicely, but it finished at the end of a war that had left billions dead and saw genocide on both sides and then it’s literally never mentioned again in passing. Nice to see it brought to a head.

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Also found the open lack of recognition for the ship Voyager interesting. The kid knew the Defiant, the various Enterprises etc but had no clue about Voyager - and Sevens story obviously went random. Suggests they weren’t really welcomed back with much fanfare…

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[24/7]

So whiny and unlikeable. The most annoying thing was that every time there was a time sensitive, critical moment, we’d get a five minute monologue about all their personal anguish and inadequacies, and childhood traumas.

Targeted to Gen Z though innit

[Andy @ Allerton!]

This crew is surely going to get their own show after this?

Yeah that's what I was thinking. Setting it up nicely for this new set of characters and also leaves the door open for the old characters to cameo now and then

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With Picards son as captain, Geordie's daughters as engineer and helmsman (helmsperson?)

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Finding the whole series a nice way to say goodbye to some of the characters. Really loving it, I suppose I'm just easily pleased

[thejbs]

Targeted to Gen Z though innit

The problem is that it's a Gen-X idea of what Gen-Z want to see. I'm yet to meet a Gen-Zer that enjoyed Discovery.

[thejbs]

Yeah that's what I was thinking. Setting it up nicely for this new set of characters and also leaves the door open for the old characters to cameo now and then

It's painfully obvious that Picard's son is another Mutt Williams. They've thrown him and LaForge Jr in there to gauge audience reaction. Across the three seasons of Picard, the best characters have had no link to legacy characters - Agnes Jurati and Captain Liam Shaw. It's also the reason why TNG was so good - because it didn't rely on characters from the original series (nor their offspring or distant cousins). 

[BER]

Yeah that's what I was thinking. Setting it up nicely for this new set of characters and also leaves the door open for the old characters to cameo now and then

Spoiler

With Picards son as captain, Geordie's daughters as engineer and helmsman (helmsperson?)

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Seven as captain, demote Shaw to number one. Crusher and La Forge in their parents old positions. Keep Worf around in his old TNG role. Find somewhere for Jaffi.

Bring back the Enterprise, give it a retro futuristic lick of paint.

Boom, you've rebooted TNG! 

[Andy @ Allerton!]

The problem is that it's a Gen-X idea of what Gen-Z want to see. I'm yet to meet a Gen-Zer that enjoyed Discovery.

Well I'm Gen X and I loved Discovery

[KillieRed]

I was enjoying Discovery, certainly better than the first two series of Picard, when it was on Netflix. Lost track of it when it moved though.

[24/7]

The problem is that it's a Gen-X idea of what Gen-Z want to see. I'm yet to meet a Gen-Zer that enjoyed Discovery.

Not sure - I always thought Voyager fell into that category and I loved it. Can't stand Discovery.

[sattapaartridge]

Captain Philippa Georgiou (Michael's adopted mother) was a fantastic role by Michelle Yeoh. I enjoyed bits of Discovery and their aliens were decent.

Watching Picard right now, and its good. First season was really really hard to watch, but 2nd, it really picks up.

[TepidT2O]

Well I'm Gen X and I loved Discovery

Are you generation X?

You're loads older than me!

You must mean generation Xtinct! 

[Riquende]

Not sure - I always thought Voyager fell into that category and I loved it. Can't stand Discovery.

Voyager was airing when Gen Z were only starting to be born, so I doubt it. They don't make Star Trek for preschoolers (get your barbs in here about your least favourite Trek show).

[24/7]

Voyager was airing when Gen Z were only starting to be born, so I doubt it. They don't make Star Trek for preschoolers (get your barbs in here about your least favourite Trek show).

I dunno........I was probs 30 or so when I really got into Voyager. I was part of an online fan club too called §ev, which was a parody site for sci-fi fans and by sci-fi fans (not a pisstake but a celebration) - most of the peeps on that site were early to late teens. I wouldn't call them Gen X!!!!

[Riquende]

I dunno........I was probs 30 or so when I really got into Voyager. I was part of an online fan club too called §ev, which was a parody site for sci-fi fans and by sci-fi fans (not a pisstake but a celebration) - most of the peeps on that site were early to late teens. I wouldn't call them Gen X!!!!

Gen Z started being born in the mid to late 90s (after the Millennials, who are Gen Y). Voyager started aired from 95-01.

So Voyager can't really be considered to be the same category as something "a Gen-X idea of what Gen-Z want to see"

I'm sure there's a wire crossed somewhere here but not sure where... are you saying that Voyager was a "Boomer" idea of what a Millennial wanted to see? Shifting the generations up one?

[24/7]

Nah. I just confuse Gen Z with Millennials. Anyone born after 1980 is hard to relate to. I wonder what that is in stardate format? 🤣

True story though. In 1996, the contact centre I worked at needed a new Head of IT. As a joke, they had the ad translated into Klingon.

We actually received applications back. In Klingon.

[Tobelius]

Nah. I just confuse Gen Z with Millennials. Anyone born after 1980 is hard to relate to. I wonder what that is in stardate format? 🤣

True story though. In 1996, the contact centre I worked at needed a new Head of IT. As a joke, they had the ad translated into Klingon.

We actually received applications back. In Klingon.

 

[kaesarsosei]

Unfortunately with Picard they wasted two whole seasons, and despite S3 being really good (like I say the last episode was the best ST ep in at least 20 years), one thing that can't be hidden is Patrick Stewart's age and I really don't think he can carry a show anymore.

Now if you told me there would be a S4, with Riker featuring heavily, Picard with the odd cameo, and the rest of the cast as-is (Shaw, Seven, Worf (even with Rafi who is less annoying this season), Dr Crusher, Data-collective and somehow shoe-horn Geordie onto the crew - I would be all over that. Only if they kept the current showrunner/writers though, who finally have displayed that they actually watched ST before.

Picard's son had the potential to be an incredibly annoying character along the lines of the Romulan sword-twat from S1/2, but even he is fitting in well. Fuck those guys who wrote-off two whole seasons before this.

[A-Bomb]

Fucking hell WOW - what an episode! Get on it ladies and gents.....the two series before of Picard may not have been great, but this is epic!