Topic: Youth and Under 23 Thread

[67CherryRed]

Getting absolutely spanked, yet Neil Mellor thinks we've been the better side. Like state TV in North Korea sometimes.

[Boston always unofficial]

spurs not really the better team,took their chances,we missed ours and we ass around to much.

[Fromola]

Half the team who'd play needed for the bench tomorrow.

[disgraced cake]

Chambers and Woltman have them back in it, 20 to play

[Hazell]

3-3. What a goal from Harvey Blair!

[Bincey]

3-3 Great strike from the angle.

[Dougle]

3-3 Great strike from the angle.

Feckin' belter. Liverpool smashing it.

[Red Bird]

Harvey Blair with an absolute belter 3-3.

[disgraced cake]

Spurs under 21-stanbul

[Chris~]

Kind of surprised we don't look like loaning Quansah out. Off the back of the Euro's seemed like a perfect time to get him a good loan. Guessing it's to keep some level of seniority in the u23s and to not rush others, but given he's not even with the first team much not sure it's a big benefit for him

[Oskar]

First goal for Trent Kone-Doherty to give us the lead against United.

He's a very fun player to watch. Doak and Koumas have started well too,

[Hazell]

First goal for Trent Kone-Doherty to give us the lead against United.

He's a very fun player to watch. Doak and Koumas have started well too,

Doak to Kone-Doherty and it's 2-0. Get them on the bench this afternoon!

[Chris~]

I'd be really surprised if Doak isn't with the first team next preseason. Must have been given some guarantees to move from his position at Celtic and he's standing out already

[Bincey]

Some really good stuff. Aside from the obvious, Mrozek looks composed and decent on the ball. And a shout out to Gyimah and McConnell for 2 lovely turns.

[Oskar]

Don't think it will be too long until Doak is playing regularly for the U21s.

Easy to see why he's so highly-rated, think he's got genuine first-team potential. This is an exciting group in general, but Doak looks a bit special.

[tubby]

Not watching the game, but all this Doak hype is very nice to hear.  Would be great to have a proper flying winger/forward come through and stay in the team.

[Lycan]

Any links to this game? Need to kill some time.

[Bincey]

Don't think it will be too long until Doak is playing regularly for the U21s.

Easy to see why he's so highly-rated, think he's got genuine first-team potential. This is an exciting group in general, but Doak looks a bit special.

Dare I say, shades of when Sterling was at this level...

[Spanish Al]

I know we always seem to have a good crop and some are always tipped to make it but from what I’ve read of Koumas, Doak & Kone-Doherty (the aforementioned two especially) it seems we have genuine first team potential there.

How’s Kaide Gordon getting on these days, is he injured? There’s certainly a spot for a forward on the bench with our issues atm!

[Hazell]

I'd be really surprised if Doak isn't with the first team next preseason. Must have been given some guarantees to move from his position at Celtic and he's standing out already

Yeah hope so. And we might even see some of these this season for the first team in the domestic cup competitions.

[Lycan]

I know we always seem to have a good crop and some are always tipped to make it but from what I’ve read of Koumas, Doak & Kone-Doherty (the aforementioned two especially) it seems we have genuine first team potential there.

How’s Kaide Gordon getting on these days, is he injured? There’s certainly a spot for a forward on the bench with our issues atm!

Not long returned from injury I believe.

[67CherryRed]

Doak at it again. He's taking the piss at this level.

[Oskar]

Yeah, you'd probably expect him to be too good for this level given that he was involved with the first-team at Celtic. He's settled in really well, think he'll be making a step up sooner rather than later. Really excited by him, our recruitment at academy level has been very good recently and he looks another really promising signing.

[Fitzy.]

Doak at it again. He's taking the piss at this level.

He’s some athlete - looks strong and properly built; bit like Rooney in terms of physical development.

[disgraced cake]

The arrival of Kone Doherty today with two goals against Man U. He's certainly one to look out for and Doak continues to impress. Should be a fun group to watch this year.

[terry_macss_perm]

I'd be really surprised if Doak isn't with the first team next preseason. Must have been given some guarantees to move from his position at Celtic and he's standing out already

Bench for the League Cup maybe?

[terry_macss_perm]

Highlights from the Man U site of yesterday’s game.

https://www.manutd.com/en/videos/detail/liverpool-under-18s-v-man-utd-under-18s-short-match-highlights-27-august-2022

[disgraced cake]

Bench for the League Cup maybe?

The team for that League Cup game in November should be interesting. It's against the quality of opposition we've rotated heavily for in the past and I think a few young players will get a go of it. Bajcetic and Clark are currently with the first team squad due to injuries but I wouldn't be surprised if both got minutes there.

Doak has had a great start but I think it's a bit too early to include him. Wouldn't be surprised if a couple who featured in the cups last season played, Gordon if he's back fit, and Frauendorf came on in one of the games too, maybe him.

[terry_macss_perm]

The team for that League Cup game in November should be interesting. It's against the quality of opposition we've rotated heavily for in the past and I think a few young players will get a go of it. Bajcetic and Clark are currently with the first team squad due to injuries but I wouldn't be surprised if both got minutes there.

Doak has had a great start but I think it's a bit too early to include him. Wouldn't be surprised if a couple who featured in the cups last season played, Gordon if he's back fit, and Frauendorf came on in one of the games too, maybe him.

Possibly but he’s played first team football in Scotland so not totally wet behind the ears.

[Boston always unofficial]

Highlights from the Man U site of yesterday’s game.

https://www.manutd.com/en/videos/detail/liverpool-under-18s-v-man-utd-under-18s-short-match-highlights-27-august-2022

Cheers.Bit sad that united have the highlights up before us and not behind a premium wall.Anyone know if Issac Mabaya picked up an injury? Not involved anywhere this weekend.

[disgraced cake]

Possibly but he’s played first team football in Scotland so not totally wet behind the ears.

That is true, and I suppose against lower league opposition there's a little chance. Elliot made appearances for us at 16 too.

[MNAA]

Cheers.Bit sad that united have the highlights up before us and not behind a premium wall.Anyone know if Issac Mabaya picked up an injury? Not involved anywhere this weekend.

He was training with the first team for the Bournemouth game

[Oskar]

Owen Beck is coming back from his loan in Portugal according to a journalist at the Echo. He’ll be loaned straight back out to an English side, Bolton are favourites. Hopefully he hits the ground running there like Conor Bradley has and gets regular football.

[newterp]

Owen Beck is coming back from his loan in Portugal according to a journalist at the Echo. He’ll be loaned straight back out to an English side, Bolton are favourites. Hopefully he hits the ground running there like Conor Bradley has and gets regular football.

What happened? Falling out? Refusal to play him etc?

[67CherryRed]

I did wonder what was happening with Beck. Didn't get off the bench for the first 3 games (they lost all 3) and then wasn't in the squad at all at the weekend. Whoever signed off that loan deal (at our end) has royally fucked up.

[RyanBabel19]

I did wonder what was happening with Beck. Didn't get off the bench for the first 3 games (they lost all 3) and then wasn't in the squad at all at the weekend. Whoever signed off that loan deal (at our end) has royally fucked up.

Not really, you cant predict what a club is going to do with a loanee. It doesn't have to be someone at the clubs fault

[Fromola]

I did wonder what was happening with Beck. Didn't get off the bench for the first 3 games (they lost all 3) and then wasn't in the squad at all at the weekend. Whoever signed off that loan deal (at our end) has royally fucked up.

Too random a loan that, trying to be too clever really. Unless you've got a Vitesse Arnhem type link up (also less of a cultural difference) it's going to be difficult to get games for a young lad like like that. Nor will he be able to speak the language over there, so will be difficult to settle in the country/dressing room.

Should have just gone to the EFL in the first place with Bradley and Bazagli.

[So… Howard Philips]

Too random a loan that, trying to be too clever really. Unless you've got a Vitesse Arnhem type link up (also less of a cultural difference) it's going to be difficult to get games for a young lad like like that. Nor will he be able to speak the language over there, so will be difficult to settle in the country/dressing room.

Should have just gone to the EFL in the first place with Bradley and Bazagli.

I don’t think it’s a bad idea trying loans in European leagues though. This one hasn’t worked out but giving players a chance to experience different styles of football.

[El Lobo]

I did wonder what was happening with Beck. Didn't get off the bench for the first 3 games (they lost all 3) and then wasn't in the squad at all at the weekend. Whoever signed off that loan deal (at our end) has royally fucked up.

Too random a loan that, trying to be too clever really. Unless you've got a Vitesse Arnhem type link up (also less of a cultural difference) it's going to be difficult to get games for a young lad like like that. Nor will he be able to speak the language over there, so will be difficult to settle in the country/dressing room.

Should have just gone to the EFL in the first place with Bradley and Bazagli.

There's no guarantee with loan deals, regardless. We sent Harvey to Blackburn and he had a tremendous spell. We did the same with Leighton Clarkson and he didn't get a kick, and is now already tearing it up at Aberdeen. Thats sort of one of the benefits of a loan, if it doesn't work out you can pretty much always recall them without too much fuss. In this case I imagine we felt it'd be good for him to test himself in a new environment in a good league, and its pretty quickly become clear that its unlikely to work as any of us wanted. And may also be the case that we've seen how well Connor Bradley is doing at Bolton and think that's actually a better place for him. To talk about 'trying to be too clever' or 'someone has royally fucked up' is laughable.

[Fromola]

There's no guarantee with loan deals, regardless. We sent Harvey to Blackburn and he had a tremendous spell. We did the same with Leighton Clarkson and he didn't get a kick, and is now already tearing it up at Aberdeen. Thats sort of one of the benefits of a loan, if it doesn't work out you can pretty much always recall them without too much fuss. In this case I imagine we felt it'd be good for him to test himself in a new environment in a good league, and its pretty quickly become clear that its unlikely to work as any of us wanted. And may also be the case that we've seen how well Connor Bradley is doing at Bolton and think that's actually a better place for him. To talk about 'trying to be too clever' or 'someone has royally fucked up' is laughable.

Loans are always going to be hit and miss but sending a young lad from the north west to Portugal is a big culture difference, when he was more likely to get a game and settle in League One somewhere (with team mates and staff he can properly communicate with). He's 20 now so needs games.