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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101520 on: June 12, 2020, 08:58:39 am »
Whatever happened to Ben Woodburn ? A couple of years ago he looked like he had the potential to be a young genius. And now...I genuinely never see his name anywhere near a Liverpool squad. Injured ??


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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101521 on: June 12, 2020, 09:44:58 am »
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101522 on: June 12, 2020, 09:46:32 am »
Whatever happened to Ben Woodburn ? A couple of years ago he looked like he had the potential to be a young genius. And now...I genuinely never see his name anywhere near a Liverpool squad. Injured ??
Wenr to oxford on loan and broke his foot so missed most the season

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101523 on: June 12, 2020, 09:49:36 am »
Whatever happened to Ben Woodburn ? A couple of years ago he looked like he had the potential to be a young genius. And now...I genuinely never see his name anywhere near a Liverpool squad. Injured ??
Stagnated a bit, but from what I understand had a positive start to the season at Oxford until his injury.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101524 on: June 12, 2020, 10:51:45 am »
Whatever happened to Ben Woodburn ? A couple of years ago he looked like he had the potential to be a young genius. And now...I genuinely never see his name anywhere near a Liverpool squad. Injured ??

Went to Oxford on loan and did extremely well. Oxford in 3rd before covid 19 but Ben broke his foot but should be back for the play offs.

He's doing well. Don't rule him out yet. He's a lot stronger now and I believe maybe another loan next season(certainly at Oxford if they go up) but he is rated at liverpool.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101525 on: June 12, 2020, 11:27:05 am »
Went to Oxford on loan and did extremely well. Oxford in 3rd before covid 19 but Ben broke his foot but should be back for the play offs.

He's doing well. Don't rule him out yet. He's a lot stronger now and I believe maybe another loan next season(certainly at Oxford if they go up) but he is rated at liverpool.

Has to be said that he missed a big part of the season due to injury, playing only 11 league games, and none since October, if the data I found was correct.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101526 on: June 12, 2020, 03:50:47 pm »
ex red cameron branagan is a mainstay in oxford midfield as well. surely he share a few tips with woodburn on how hard he has to work to make a breakthrough at liverpool.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101527 on: June 12, 2020, 04:00:57 pm »
Chirivella signs for Nantes.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101528 on: June 12, 2020, 04:24:02 pm »
Chirivella signs for Nantes.
Good for him. I am interested to see how he develops. Based on what we saw this season, I think he could have made an impact for an impact for several teams within the Premier League.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101529 on: June 12, 2020, 04:25:40 pm »
Did Larouci play yesterday at all?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101530 on: June 12, 2020, 04:31:41 pm »
Did Larouci play yesterday at all?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101531 on: June 12, 2020, 04:46:01 pm »
Chirivella signs for Nantes.

I wonder if covid hadn’t happened we might have tried to keep him and cash in on him in a couple of years
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101532 on: June 12, 2020, 05:04:38 pm »
All the best to Pedro he's been a really good signing. He also showed some quality leadership values when leading the younger teams earlier on in the season. Sorry to see him go, but happy he has the chance to make a real go of his career.

Luis Longstaff the latest to signed a new contract with the club.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101533 on: June 12, 2020, 06:11:49 pm »
I wonder if covid hadn’t happened we might have tried to keep him and cash in on him in a couple of years

We did try to keep him. Offered him a 5 year deal but this was at the start of the year and that was too late. Klopp rated him and wanted him to stay.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101534 on: June 12, 2020, 06:16:38 pm »
Good for him, well deserved. 23 now and deserves to be playing week in and week out for a club of lesser stature and not in our reserves.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101535 on: June 12, 2020, 07:25:16 pm »
Chirivella off to Nantes.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101536 on: June 12, 2020, 07:28:37 pm »
Good for him. I am interested to see how he develops. Based on what we saw this season, I think he could have made an impact for an impact for several teams within the Premier League.

Definitely come on loads this season. He’s got a bright future ahead really good player

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101537 on: June 12, 2020, 08:03:11 pm »
Anyone know where Chirivella's off to?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101538 on: June 12, 2020, 08:09:16 pm »
Anyone know where Chirivella's off to?

Nantes a clue.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101539 on: June 13, 2020, 03:26:11 am »
If Wilson isnt the answer (Elliot seems to lack pace), is there another promising winger/forward coming through who has reasonably similar skillset to mane or salah?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101540 on: June 13, 2020, 09:03:37 am »
If Wilson isnt the answer (Elliot seems to lack pace), is there another promising winger/forward coming through who has reasonably similar skillset to mane or salah?
Not from u18s up. Liam Millar is probably the closest.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101541 on: June 13, 2020, 09:16:16 am »
If Wilson isnt the answer (Elliot seems to lack pace), is there another promising winger/forward coming through who has reasonably similar skillset to mane or salah?

Longstaff says hello. Signed a new contract yesterday.

https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/academy/398506-luis-longstaff-signs-new-contract-with-liverpool-fc

However, Wilson and certainly Elliot is the answer. Think Bernardo Silva and you will understand not everyone in a front 3 has to be quick.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101542 on: June 13, 2020, 09:36:33 am »
Elliott has a real chance imo. I think Harry will eventually be sold though.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101543 on: June 13, 2020, 09:45:41 am »
Elliott has a real chance imo. I think Harry will eventually be sold though.

It all depends on what is happening with Shaq for Wilson. Elliott will play some 1st team games, under 23, under 19's and maybe youth cup games. Elliott is a talent and I have high hopes for him.

 Wilson will be wanting to be part of the 1st team squad and if Shaq is on his way out then he could be.

If we sold Shaq and Wilson then I would be concerned. Shaq, Wilson and Lallana all leaving wouldn't be good business for me as these players are different and you need these kind of players in your squad because they can produce something out of nothing.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101544 on: June 13, 2020, 09:45:51 am »
Yes.

Ah, I just saw Klopp's quote. Sounds as if we plan to give Williams and Larouci the back-up berths, providing they continue on their current trajectories.

“Yasser [Larouci], too, he looked really good – so that was good and very important for us.”

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101545 on: June 13, 2020, 09:57:45 am »
Elliott has a real chance imo. I think Harry will eventually be sold though.

He won’t be sold next season since we aren’t interested in going into the market, Wilson is a better player than Elliot right now I think he will get a decent amount of games next season.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101546 on: June 13, 2020, 10:18:09 am »
It’ll be interesting to see what sort of interest there is in Wilson in the summer (well...autumn). If we do get any decent offers he may well leave but it might be the case that he ends up out on loan again next season whilst everything settles down and then leaves summer ‘21.

You’d think Elliott and Jones will be in and around the first team squad next season, probably Neco Williams and Larouci too.
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101547 on: June 13, 2020, 10:20:25 am »
He won’t be sold next season since we aren’t interested in going into the market, Wilson is a better player than Elliot right now I think he will get a decent amount of games next season.

I tend to agree for a number of reasons.

Doubt due to the Covid we will get the price we want for Wilson now.
When you look back at this season even though we won the PL(soon), Super Cup, World Club Cup in the League and FA cup we did well all considering but we still need that extra quality of experience players and Wilson is experienced now.
Losing Lallana and maybe Shaq makes no sense to lose Wilson as well.
Look like we will be quite in the transfer market and will need all the players of quality we can use.

I feel if Wilson stays with better players around him he will be a decent asset.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101548 on: June 13, 2020, 11:48:19 am »
It’ll be interesting to see what sort of interest there is in Wilson in the summer (well...autumn). If we do get any decent offers he may well leave but it might be the case that he ends up out on loan again next season whilst everything settles down and then leaves summer ‘21.

You’d think Elliott and Jones will be in and around the first team squad next season, probably Neco Williams and Larouci too.

If we don’t sign anyone I don’t think Wilson is going out on loan, Curtis Jones is a midfielder, Elliot is a big talent but none of the two have done anything in their careers to assert they are better wide players than Wilson, which is where most of their games will come.

Shaqiri is more likely to leave which means I hardly see us relying on a 17 year old wide forward who actually has some of the same limitations as Wilson, when we’ve got one who’s had three seasons at Championship and PL level.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101549 on: June 13, 2020, 11:51:38 am »
I tend to agree for a number of reasons.

Doubt due to the Covid we will get the price we want for Wilson now.
When you look back at this season even though we won the PL(soon), Super Cup, World Club Cup in the League and FA cup we did well all considering but we still need that extra quality of experience players and Wilson is experienced now.
Losing Lallana and maybe Shaq makes no sense to lose Wilson as well.
Look like we will be quite in the transfer market and will need all the players of quality we can use.

I feel if Wilson stays with better players around him he will be a decent asset.

Yep if we don’t get a top class young wide forward which I want us to, then Wilson is the obvious back up wide forward, 2 great seasons at CL, and a decent one at PL is more than we can say for any other wide player  on our books apart from Shaqiri.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101550 on: June 13, 2020, 12:08:02 pm »
Elliott and Jones have each played more senior football for us than shaqiri this season. Replacing Shaqiri in this squad means nothing.


People are getting too hung up in replacing mane/salah like for like. That's not really how football works. Coaches will adapt to the skillsets of their players.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101551 on: June 13, 2020, 12:12:52 pm »
If we don’t sign anyone I don’t think Wilson is going out on loan, Curtis Jones is a midfielder, Elliot is a big talent but none of the two have done anything in their careers to assert they are better wide players than Wilson, which is where most of their games will come.

Shaqiri is more likely to leave which means I hardly see us relying on a 17 year old wide forward who actually has some of the same limitations as Wilson, when we’ve got one who’s had three seasons at Championship and PL level.

Well....they’re 4 and 6 years younger than Wilson respectively so you’d hope Wilson had shown more in his career so far! But it seems pretty clear which two of the three are seen as having a big future here, which is why they’ve both played a lot more for the club than Harry.

If Shaq dies leave, along with Lallana obviously, I’d imagine some of their minutes would end up shared between Elliott and Jones and we may look to bring in another attacker. Possibly supplemented by any fee we could get for Wilson if there’s interest in a permanent deal this autumn.
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101552 on: June 13, 2020, 12:18:49 pm »
Well....they’re 4 and 6 years younger than Wilson respectively so you’d hope Wilson had shown more in his career so far! But it seems pretty clear which two of the three are seen as having a big future here, which is why they’ve both played a lot more for the club than Harry.

If Shaq dies leave, along with Lallana obviously, I’d imagine some of their minutes would end up shared between Elliott and Jones and we may look to bring in another attacker. Possibly supplemented by any fee we could get for Wilson if there’s interest in a permanent deal this autumn.

That’s a simple way to sum it up, different reasons why they’ve got more minutes, Chirivella has got more minutes this season also and he is off to Nantes. At Wilson’s point in his career he couldn’t really afford to play the 2-3 games Elliot or Jones has for Liverpool, instead he’s gone on loan and got 20 games or so, this is really the biggest reason for your last point.

They do have bigger futures but I’m talking about the immediate season and their current levels not 3-4 years from now, as of now neither are better wide players than Wilson, not unless he pushes for it himself I think he will be here next season, if we get another attacker(which it seems we won’t) that will change.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101553 on: June 13, 2020, 12:45:23 pm »
That’s a simple way to sum it up, different reasons why they’ve got more minutes, Chirivella has got more minutes this season also and he is off to Nantes. At Wilson’s point in his career he couldn’t really afford to play the 2-3 games Elliot or Jones has for Liverpool, instead he’s gone on loan and got 20 games or so, this is really the biggest reason for your last point.

They do have bigger futures but I’m talking about the immediate season and their current levels not 3-4 years from now, as of now neither are better wide players than Wilson, not unless he pushes for it himself I think he will be here next season, if we get another attacker(which it seems we won’t) that will change.

We’re in a position where we can probably afford to give minutes to our most promising youngsters for the rest of this season, and next. It’s unfortunate but it’s just the way Wilson’s career has gone that he’s really not in that list anymore. We have Brewster, Jones and Elliott who are all far younger and would appear to have a higher ‘ceiling’. This season was a great opportunity for Wilson to show his true level, and he has. And it’s a good level, but not really one good enough for us. He’s shown he’s got excellent dead ball ability and a knack for scoring from midfield which is obviously a very good thing, but he’s really not shown the all round game in any of his loan spells which would suggest he’d be particularly useful in backing up any position for us.

If Harvey Elliott was playing for another PL club at 17 and putting in the same sort of cameos I’d imagine we’d be quite envious. If Harry wasn’t our player I can’t imagine, at 23, many people would be looking at him as a future signing. He’ll be essentially starting his Liverpool career at the same age as Naby Keita was and a year younger than Sadio and he’s just shown nowhere near enough to suggest he’d get a decent amount of football here. Or that it’d be worth giving him a few minutes over kids like Elliott or Jones (or even some of the ones not near the first team yet).

It’s a ruthless business at the very top and exciting youngsters have pretty small windows of opportunity. It’d be nice to see him have the same sort of career trajectory as someone like Gulácsi but it seems very unlikely he’ll achieve that here.
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101554 on: June 13, 2020, 12:46:34 pm »
cain have flown under the radar a bit. he played vs shrewsbury in the cup as well

what kind of player is he?

seems like we are stacked with youth players making the step up to seniors. Curtis Jones, Elliot, Glatzel, Neco, Larouchi and Hoever are just some names that needs looking out for the future.

I think he is the best CM we have in the younger age groups from what I’ve seen, lovely touch, can dribble out of tight situations, can both score and assist, really can strike the ball as well pretty much a near perfect playmaker at that level. I forgot how many goal contributions he’s had this season but he is definitely one of the more productive players at u18-21 age groups. His standout attribute though is by far his passing, already one of the better passers in the whole club, I stand by this point, whether he makes the step up would be dependent on a few things but I think he has as good of a chance as anybody not named Jones or Elliot.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101555 on: June 13, 2020, 12:53:17 pm »
We’re in a position where we can probably afford to give minutes to our most promising youngsters for the rest of this season, and next. It’s unfortunate but it’s just the way Wilson’s career has gone that he’s really not in that list anymore. We have Brewster, Jones and Elliott who are all far younger and would appear to have a higher ‘ceiling’. This season was a great opportunity for Wilson to show his true level, and he has. And it’s a good level, but not really one good enough for us. He’s shown he’s got excellent dead ball ability and a knack for scoring from midfield which is obviously a very good thing, but he’s really not shown the all round game in any of his loan spells which would suggest he’d be particularly useful in backing up any position for us.

If Harvey Elliott was playing for another PL club at 17 and putting in the same sort of cameos I’d imagine we’d be quite envious. If Harry wasn’t our player I can’t imagine, at 23, many people would be looking at him as a future signing. He’ll be essentially starting his Liverpool career at the same age as Naby Keita was and a year younger than Sadio and he’s just shown nowhere near enough to suggest he’d get a decent amount of football here. Or that it’d be worth giving him a few minutes over kids like Elliott or Jones (or even some of the ones not near the first team yet).

It’s a ruthless business at the very top and exciting youngsters have pretty small windows of opportunity. It’d be nice to see him have the same sort of career trajectory as someone like Gulácsi but it seems very unlikely he’ll achieve that here.

Why do you think Brewster has a higher ceiling because his younger? Remember Wilson was about a year older than him when he was at Hull and undoubtedly one of the best players in the championship?

This is where you and I differ, I’ve seen his got a good all round game from watching him over here, he fades in and out of games, but he can dribble and he can pass all to a good level.

When watching players in lower teams sometimes unless the player is a Rooney like world beater it’s hard to get the full picture, I’ve mentioned the likes of Shaqiri in the past who’ve adapted from playing with lesser teams and showing a higher level once he’s come here, Origi also.

Wilson incidentally is top 10 for chances created through throughballs with only a handful of players ahead of him, he has scored 7 goals in the league this season, which would have him ahead of all our players except from our front three, two things he has shown is , he can pass especially in regards to creating a chance, and he can shoot, his overall game should be elevated playing with our squad but who’s to know? What I do know is that even at our stage, not every player on our squad is a world class player, there is obviously room for players who aren’t a Salah Mane or TAA, this is something Klopp in particular has shown us.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101556 on: June 13, 2020, 01:09:40 pm »
Why do you think Brewster has a higher ceiling because his younger? Remember Wilson was about a year older than him when he was at Hull and undoubtedly one of the best players in the championship?

This is where you and I differ, I’ve seen his got a good all round game from watching him over here, he fades in and out of games, but he can dribble and he can pass all to a good level.

When watching players in lower teams sometimes unless the player is a Rooney like world beater it’s hard to get the full picture, I’ve mentioned the likes of Shaqiri in the past who’ve adapted from playing with lesser teams and showing a higher level once he’s come here, Origi also.

Wilson incidentally is top 10 for chances created through throughballs with only a handful of players ahead of him, he has scored 7 goals in the league this season, which would have him ahead of all our players except from our front three, two things he has shown is , he can pass especially in regards to creating a chance, and he can shoot, his overall game should be elevated playing with our squad but who’s to know? What I do know is that even at our stage, not every player on our squad is a world class player, there is obviously room for players who aren’t a Salah Mane or TAA, this is something Klopp in particular has shown us.

Yep, and they’re good stats for a good solid PL attacker. The through balls stat has him level with the likes of Walcott and Iwobi, and his goals just behind Jordan Ayew and just ahead Harvey Barnes. All decent PL players and absolutely nothing to be ashamed of being at that level.
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101557 on: June 13, 2020, 01:55:43 pm »
Yep, and they’re good stats for a good solid PL attacker. The through balls stat has him level with the likes of Walcott and Iwobi, and his goals just behind Jordan Ayew and just ahead Harvey Barnes. All decent PL players and absolutely nothing to be ashamed of being at that level.

Totally disagree. I highly rate Jones and Elliott but if we are not going to buy in the summer then keeping Wilson is a no brainer. Due to covid I doubt we will get the 30m we want for him now and we might as well keep him for a year and have him as back up.

I feel the 5 subs will continue into next season and he will get game time.

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« Reply #101558 on: June 13, 2020, 02:03:21 pm »
I feel the 5 subs will continue into next season and he will get game time.

Aren't the 5 subs to alleviate any fitness issues from the players having a random 2 month break in the middle of a season? Why would they carry that on next season?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #101559 on: June 13, 2020, 02:06:14 pm »
Aren't the 5 subs to alleviate any fitness issues from the players having a random 2 month break in the middle of a season? Why would they carry that on next season?

Yeah but I also think it's due to Covid 19 being about. Remember if a player gets it then it's 7-10 days out.

I think it will stay next season.