Author Topic: Mascherano (Read 221482 times)

Hank Scorpio · « **Reply #320 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:12:08 am »

Quote from: suede lady on January 5, 2007, 10:05:55 am

I think the Fifa rule is correct but since he has started 7 games this season it can not be used.

Sorry.

Could you explain this to me a little more please?

rocco · « **Reply #321 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:12:16 am »

looks like he wont be playing for us then ?

Only other avenue is that his country may say it is hurting the National team ,if he doesnt play this season ?

rocco · « **Reply #322 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:13:33 am »

Quote from: Raj_ on January 5, 2007, 10:12:08 am

Sorry.

Could you explain this to me a little more please?

there is a rule by Fifa that states if a player is fit and have not been selected for a subs appearance for more than 4 games then they can go to there respected FA and ask for there contract to be canceled and made void, they and FIFA will then consider and look at the situation and if they consider the player be of the quality to be able to at very least be a substitute for the team then they will accept the players proposal......

smicer07 · « **Reply #323 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:13:35 am »

There's no evidence that Rafa is even interested anyway, is there?

Marcus6 · « **Reply #324 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:14:09 am »

Quote from: Raj_ on January 5, 2007, 10:05:04 am

This is also of interest to me.

The thing which strikes me is that between 1st July 2006 and 31st August 2006, Mascherano could not have played more than a handful of games for Corinthians. Surely after the World Cup he would have had a break of around 2 or 3 weeks leaving only August for him to play for Corinthians. How many games could he have managed in that time?

If my memory serves me right, were Argentina not in England at the end of August for friendly fixtures so that leaves even less time for him to play for Corinthians.

Furthermore, surely FIFA need to consider that European and South American seasons schedules are different.

It doesn't matter if they've played 1 or 20 games, he made appearances for us and them. Simple as that.

And that post about if you don't make sub appearances for x amount of games, blah blah, and if you've rated higher than the other players at the club, blah blah is the biggest load of shite i've ever heard, no offence. If that was true, you'd have players swapping clubs every week.

Hightown Phil · « **Reply #325 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:16:36 am »

Quote from: smicer07- Live Comms on January 5, 2007, 10:13:35 am

There's no evidence that Rafa is even interested anyway, is there?

Erm, yes.

AdamBrunt · « **Reply #326 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:16:38 am »

Quote from: smicer07- Live Comms on January 5, 2007, 10:13:35 am

There's no evidence that Rafa is even interested anyway, is there?

What ?? You mean apart from the all the reports stating terms and a fee have been agreed ??

-HH- · « **Reply #327 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:16:38 am »

Quote from: smicer07- Live Comms on January 5, 2007, 10:13:35 am

There's no evidence that Rafa is even interested anyway, is there?

I'm pretty confident that he's had a medical, and that if FIFA allow us to sign him he will become a Liverpool player. I'm 100% sure Rafa is interested.

mr_oo3 · « **Reply #328 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:17:30 am »

Bloody hell, where did this come from.

rocco · « **Reply #329 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:17:49 am »

Better off forgetting about him and wait and see what happens.

Gerrard
Alonso
Zenden
Momo

XabiAlonsoXabi · « **Reply #330 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:18:12 am »

Quote from: smicer07- Live Comms on January 5, 2007, 10:13:35 am

There's no evidence that Rafa is even interested anyway, is there?

Are you serious? We've been linked for about 2 weeks, Rafa refused to deny his interest, then yesterday the man who is basically an unofficial Spokesman for LFC Chris Bascombe confirmed a deal is nearly done bar a few things, then every national media outlet is running with it this morning but apart from that no nothing

-HH- · « **Reply #331 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:18:16 am »

Quote from: rocco on January 5, 2007, 10:17:49 am

Better off forgetting about him and wait and see what happens.

Gerrard
Alonso
~~Zenden~~ Mascherano
Momo

Hank Scorpio · « **Reply #332 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:19:42 am »

Quote from: marcus6 on January 5, 2007, 10:14:09 am

It doesn't matter if they've played 1 or 20 games, he made appearances for us and them. Simple as that.

And that post about if you don't make sub appearances for x amount of games, blah blah, and if you've rated higher than the other players at the club, blah blah is the biggest load of shite i've ever heard, no offence. If that was true, you'd have players swapping clubs every week.

Are you just trying to mess the deal up?

murda197 · « **Reply #333 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:20:12 am »

As far as I can see even if he hadnt played a game for either club the fact he was a "Registered player" means he cannot play for another club, thats the rule according to FIFA

Marcus6 · « **Reply #334 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:20:53 am »

Quote from: Raj_ on January 5, 2007, 10:19:42 am

Are you just trying to mess the deal up?

Yes. I secretly work for MSI

-HH- · « **Reply #335 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:21:34 am »

Quote from: Raj_ on January 5, 2007, 10:19:42 am

Are you just trying to mess the deal up?

Yes, Marcus has massive influence with FIFA and is clearly trying to put the deal on the rocks, the rapscallion.

rocco · « **Reply #336 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:22:20 am »

Quote from: Raj_ on January 5, 2007, 10:19:42 am

Are you just trying to mess the deal up?

Hammers fan , for ever blowing bubbles

Marcus6 · « **Reply #337 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:25:21 am »

Quote from: rocco on January 5, 2007, 10:22:20 am

Hammers fan , for ever blowing bubbles

and wrecking transfers

It won't happen until the 'Mascherano to Liverpool?' thread on Kumb gets to a million pages long

rocco · « **Reply #338 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:26:24 am »

Quote from: marcus6 on January 5, 2007, 10:25:21 am

and wrecking transfers

It won't happen until the 'Mascherano to Liverpool?' thread on Kumb gets to a million pages long

Everything gets sorted on a thursday and this club

Mark Walters · « **Reply #339 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:27:29 am »

Quote from: rocco on January 5, 2007, 09:47:09 am

Can anybody confirm if they have played for corinithans after july 2006 ? ie.--match played in etc v who ever .

I think he may have played in the Copa Libertadores (but don't quote me on that)

rocco · « **Reply #340 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:29:46 am »

Quote from: Mark Walters on January 5, 2007, 10:27:29 am

I think he may have played in the Copa Libertadores (but don't quote me on that)

If you say it , you get quoted

Runester · « **Reply #341 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:30:41 am »

Benitez eyes up double swoop
Jan 4 2007

By Chris Bascombe, Liverpool Echo

Despite suggestions Mascherano can't play for three clubs in the same season, in fact, he's only played for one during this campaign.

The South American season ended on December 31, 2005, before Mascherano joined West Ham in the summer of 2006.

However, any move would still have to be ratified by FIFA

harrytrow · « **Reply #342 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:32:51 am »

But when did their season start in 2006

rocco · « **Reply #343 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:33:31 am »

Quote from: Claire. on January 5, 2007, 10:07:04 am

He definately played for them in August, cos he got sent off and then went AWOL from training with Tevez.

FTW · « **Reply #344 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:33:39 am »

I think this deal is in everyones interests..including West Hams. If FIFA had any sense, they'd let it go through..

But of course, they don't.

Marcus6 · « **Reply #345 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:34:06 am »

Quote from: Runester on January 5, 2007, 10:30:41 am

Benitez eyes up double swoop
Jan 4 2007

By Chris Bascombe, Liverpool Echo

Despite suggestions Mascherano can't play for three clubs in the same season, in fact, he's only played for one during this campaign.

The South American season ended on December 31, 2005, before Mascherano joined West Ham in the summer of 2006.

However, any move would still have to be ratified by FIFA

i really doubt that the south american season has an 8 month break.

Stretch Armstrong · « **Reply #346 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:36:15 am »

Quote from: marcus6 on January 5, 2007, 10:34:06 am

i really doubt that the south american season has an 8 month break.

May be wrong be the company who own them refused to let them play the following season because they wanted them them in Europe after the WC

AdamBrunt · « **Reply #347 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:36:26 am »

Quote from: harrytrow on January 5, 2007, 10:32:51 am

But when did their season start in 2006

The Brazilian season is from "before July" to December.

It was posted earlier that Mascherano played 7 times for Corinthians between returning from the WC and 28th August.

So it would seem - it's all to down to appealing to FIFA

Obiwon · « **Reply #348 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:38:14 am »

Quote from: harrytrow on January 5, 2007, 10:32:51 am

But when did their season start in 2006

April m8.

Not 100% if he played any serious games for them just before or just after the world cup.

XabiAlonsoXabi · « **Reply #349 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:39:40 am »

Quote from: Obiwon on January 5, 2007, 10:38:14 am

April old mucker.

Not 100% if he played any serious games for them just before or just after the world cup.

He definitely did.

rafathegaffa · « **Reply #350 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:41:55 am »

I suspect FIFA won't lend a kind ear to a case involving a player owned by a group like MSI. It's not your typical hard-luck story.

Runester · « **Reply #351 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:44:08 am »

The Independent
By Jason Burt and Andy Hunter
Published: 05 January 2007

However, it is believed that it would be impossible for the player to leave this month. The rules of Fifa, the game's world governing body, state that a player is not allowed to play for three clubs in one season, but the organisation, which has written to West Ham to spell out its rules after the club sought clarification, can nevertheless be petitioned. It will be argued that Mascherano's career, and earning potential, is being harmed by his current plight and lack of games.

Precedent has been set and the Argentine Football Association, a powerful voice within Fifa, is willing to lobby on Mascherano's behalf. It is more difficult for Tevez to leave before the end of the season because he is playing at present. The Argentines will also argue that because Mascherano has played in South America, for the Brazilian club Corinthians, and in Europe over a year it actually constitutes two seasons

XabiAlonsoXabi · « **Reply #352 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:45:29 am »

Quote from: Runester on January 5, 2007, 10:44:08 am

The Independent
By Jason Burt and Andy Hunter
Published: 05 January 2007

However, it is believed that it would be impossible for the player to leave this month. The rules of Fifa, the game's world governing body, state that a player is not allowed to play for three clubs in one season, but the organisation, which has written to West Ham to spell out its rules after the club sought clarification, can nevertheless be petitioned. It will be argued that Mascherano's career, and earning potential, is being harmed by his current plight and lack of games.

Precedent has been set and the Argentine Football Association, a powerful voice within Fifa, is willing to lobby on Mascherano's behalf. It is more difficult for Tevez to leave before the end of the season because he is playing at present. The Argentines will also argue that because Mascherano has played in South America, for the Brazilian club Corinthians, and in Europe over a year it actually constitutes two seasons

It would seem a bit harsh if he is penalised just because the Brazilian season is set out differently to Europes, Kromkamp has been going from club to club every transfer window so it'd be a bit tight if Masherano couldnt just because of the dates being different over there

Sajets · « **Reply #353 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:45:55 am »

Just a thought. If their season ends in December that mean that current season just ended and maybe this is what Rafa is playing on. We might say that last season he played for Corinthians (because their season started before Fifas last season ended) and now he has only appeard for WHU this season. Might be just clutching straws but to me it seems the only logical explanation why we are after him. We wouldn't if we didn't think we had a case.

suede lady · « **Reply #354 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:50:02 am »

I think you are on to something there Sajets. that might be how the club is reckoning.

AdamBrunt · « **Reply #355 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:50:14 am »

Quote from: Sajets on January 5, 2007, 10:45:55 am

Just a thought. If their season ends in December that mean that current season just ended and maybe this is what Rafa is playing on. We might say that last season he played for Corinthians (because their season started before Fifas last season ended) and now he has only appeard for WHU this season. Might be just clutching straws but to me it seems the only logical explanation why we are after him. We wouldn't if we didn't think we had a case.

The ruling is not about "seasons" - since these differ around the world - which is why 1st July and following 30th June are explicitly mentioned.

harrytrow · « **Reply #356 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:51:38 am »

Quote from: Sajets on January 5, 2007, 10:45:55 am

Just a thought. If their season ends in December that mean that current season just ended and maybe this is what Rafa is playing on. We might say that last season he played for Corinthians (because their season started before Fifas last season ended) and now he has only appeard for WHU this season. Might be just clutching straws but to me it seems the only logical explanation why we are after him. We wouldn't if we didn't think we had a case.

It's the end of season (s)tales

bradigor · « **Reply #357 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:54:45 am »

We don't actually want Mascherano. Rafa just wants another Gonzalez type epic.

Gnurglan · « **Reply #358 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:55:53 am »

Haven't seen the guy in action often enough to know what he's like. I hope he likes to play the deeper CM role. That's what we need the most in midfield, a backup for Xabi.

But it's quite clear we need a RB before anything else. After that it may be CM that we should turn to. The problem is that we have 4 CMs at the moment. If we add another one, that means we will have shut the door for Guthrie & Co. Which I think would be wrong.

Hank Scorpio · « **Reply #359 on:** January 5, 2007, 10:56:01 am »

Quote from: Runester on January 5, 2007, 10:44:08 am

The Independent
Precedent has been set and the Argentine Football Association, a powerful voice within Fifa, is willing to lobby on Mascherano's behalf. It is more difficult for Tevez to leave before the end of the season because he is playing at present. The Argentines will also argue that because Mascherano has played in South America, for the Brazilian club Corinthians, and in Europe over a year it actually constitutes two seasons

Exactly.

The European and South American seasons have different schedules/calendars.

This must be taken into consideration.