Topic: Brexit. the Con continues

[rob1966]

For what though? 

Downloading files onto like a mini harddrive? 

Or the port you plug into?

It's the name of the connector (bottom right in the image), its the rounded end one you may have already seen, i've got one on my samsung phone and my lads vr headset has it too. It just means that we will stop having different cables for different devices, it'll just be one cable that will work across every device.

[reddebs]

It's the new standard for basically all new electrical devices - laptops, phones, tablets etc. All of them now must use that for charging, but the same port and cable can be used for data as well as power.

Even iPhones will start using them so every single phone will have the exact same cable for charging.

So is it the bit that goes into the device or the bit that goes in the plug or both?

I don't understand.  My laptop has a tiny jackplug to charge it but there are usb ports so does that mean I can charge it with a usb?

[reddebs]

It's the name of the connector (bottom right in the image), its the rounded end one you may have already seen, i've got one on my samsung phone and my lads vr headset has it too. It just means that we will stop having different cables for different devices, it'll just be one cable that will work across every device.

We use a universal charger for our phones but into a plug that then goes into a normal socket.  So does it mean we'll need to change some plug sockets for usb ones?

[rob1966]

We use a universal charger for our phones but into a plug that then goes into a normal socket.  So does it mean we'll need to change some plug sockets for usb ones?

No, the adapters that plug into the wall socket will remain as 3 pin in the UK, they'll all eventually have a USB-C connector built into them rather than the current type A. You can get cables that are type A on one end and USB C on the other, so you wont need to change the adapters. All the sockets in the Scanias for instance are type A, so I just bought an A to C cable from Amazon to go along with the C to C that came with the phone. I also bought A to C adaptors that plug into the charge port built into our wall sockets

[Riquende]

And, trying hard not to sound patronising, it's the third iteration, after usb a and usb b.
I think there may have been USB b1. 1

Well... not quite. If you think of the old 'printer' cables that are still knocking about, USB A was the 'letterbox' end for the PC and USB B was the squarer end with the chamfered top for the printer. Most cables went A to B, but there was occasionally need for an A to A.

There were also Micro USB connectors of at least 3 different designs used for smaller kit/earlier smartphones.

USB-C is the physical designation of the new small cable that is supposed to blow all of that away, but because of legacy USB-A ports on computers being far more numerous than USB-C we've settled down for a potentially-long transitional period of people using A to C cables (though to be fair my latest company car only has USB-C in it).

To further complicate matters, you also have USB 2.0, USB 3.0 etc, these are the designations of the data transfer rates (how fast you can copy files across etc). It used to make a lot of sense but since USB 3.0 we've moved to:

USB 3.1 gen 1 (this is the same as 3.0)
USB 3.1 gen 2
USB 3.2 gen 1x1 (this is also the same as 3.0)
USB 3.2 gen 1x2
USB 3.2 gen 2x1 (this is the same as 3.1 gen 2)
USB 3.2 gen 2x2

The important thing to know is the x2 designations are twice as fast and are only available in the new USB-C physical connector.

There are even faster speeds available now but the key change is that they still use USB-C as the physical connector, so you can use the same cables for in theory any devices and it will all just run at the speed of the slowest component (the device at either end or the cable itself).

[reddebs]

No, the adapters that plug into the wall socket will remain as 3 pin in the UK, they'll all eventually have a USB-C connector built into them rather than the current type A. You can get cables that are type A on one end and USB C on the other, so you wont need to change the adapters. All the sockets in the Scanias for instance are type A, so I just bought an A to C cable from Amazon to go along with the C to C that came with the phone. I also bought A to C adaptors that plug into the charge port built into our wall sockets

I think the one we have in the car is like that as it plugs into a usb port on the ciggy lighter and I think our current phones are usb c ones but they could easily be b ones too.

Pissed me off no end when the clutch went on the car in Yorkshire and I had to get the train home as none of the charging ports on them were the right ones for my Google phone. 

I had no idea the mother fuckers had plug sockets underneath the seats that you had to get down on your knees to reach until I got into Wales.  7hrs travelling without being able to use your phone so the battery doesn't go dead is a fucking nightmare 😳

[Elmo!]

There are even faster speeds available now but the key change is that they still use USB-C as the physical connector, so you can use the same cables for in theory any devices and it will all just run at the speed of the slowest component (the device at either end or the cable itself).

That's the theory, but literally just had an issue at work with an HP charger not working in a Dell laptop. Had a Dell engineer in at the time replacing a screen and he confirmed Dell's don't work with Lenovo chargers either.

[rob1966]

That's the theory, but literally just had an issue at work with an HP charger not working in a Dell laptop. Had a Dell engineer in at the time replacing a screen and he confirmed Dell's don't work with Lenovo chargers either.

We've got Dell and HP chargers, look exactly the same and the amount of times the kids used to moan that their HP laptop was knackered and it was because the battery was flat and they'd plugged my Dell charger into it.

[Riquende]

That's the theory, but literally just had an issue at work with an HP charger not working in a Dell laptop. Had a Dell engineer in at the time replacing a screen and he confirmed Dell's don't work with Lenovo chargers either.

Well I was talking about data transfer not USB power delivery, but it would be nice if it was the same!

Personally I've never had issues charging 'cross platform' but that was through docking stations using USB-C rather than just a dedicated charger, so maybe a bit different (certainly far more expensive). Can well believe manufacturers would have some signal that checked it was a matching brand before working.

[redbyrdz]

So is it the bit that goes into the device or the bit that goes in the plug or both?

I don't understand.  My laptop has a tiny jackplug to charge it but there are usb ports so does that mean I can charge it with a usb?

Its the round jack plug on your laptop that is going to be replaced. It will just be another usb-c plug. Your laptop will have other usb ports to connect extra hard discs, memory sticks, etc, but you won't be able to charge the laptop from those ports, because they don't connect to the charging side of the power unit.

In the future if you buy a new laptop, it will come with a usb-c at the end of the power cable, instead the round plug.

[rob1966]

Well I was talking about data transfer not USB power delivery, but it would be nice if it was the same!

Personally I've never had issues charging 'cross platform' but that was through docking stations using USB-C rather than just a dedicated charger, so maybe a bit different (certainly far more expensive). Can well believe manufacturers would have some signal that checked it was a matching brand before working.

Its called Smart Tip technology and its designed to tell the laptop that a charger is connected and if its a compatible charger. If the laptop cannot read the signal, it won't charge

https://www.thelaptoppowersupplyshop.co.uk/can-I-use-a-dell-charger-on-my-hp-laptop-and-vice-versa

[PaulF]

Its called Smart Tip technology and its designed to tell the laptop that a charger is connected and if its a compatible charger. If the laptop cannot read the signal, it won't charge

https://www.thelaptoppowersupplyshop.co.uk/can-I-use-a-dell-charger-on-my-hp-laptop-and-vice-versa

Which seems sensible. And I wonder why petrol pumps don't have similar tech for diesel cars...

Anyway, I didn't realise laptops would have to be usb c. I thought it was just mobiles and tablets.  Definitely a plus if all laptops have work from each others' chargers.

[Elmo!]

Its called Smart Tip technology and its designed to tell the laptop that a charger is connected and if its a compatible charger. If the laptop cannot read the signal, it won't charge

https://www.thelaptoppowersupplyshop.co.uk/can-I-use-a-dell-charger-on-my-hp-laptop-and-vice-versa

That's for the old barrel connectors though, not USB-C.

USB-C is supposed to in theory be vendor agnostic and all devices can negotiate with the charger to agree on what power ratings they can handle, and if for any reason negotiation fails it should fall back to the bare minimum. Think the issue is the bare minimum which is something like 5W is nowhere near enough to charge a laptop so if negotiation fails it just won't charge.

[Jshooters]

That's for the old barrel connectors though, not USB-C.

USB-C is supposed to in theory be vendor agnostic and all devices can negotiate with the charger to agree on what power ratings they can handle, and if for any reason negotiation fails it should fall back to the bare minimum. Think the issue is the bare minimum which is something like 5W is nowhere near enough to charge a laptop so if negotiation fails it just won't charge.

Yeah my daughter's chromebook charger works on my Dell but it charges multitudes slower than the proprietary charging cable

[thejbs]

As much as I dislike apple’s lightning standard, their MagSafe charger is brilliant and I hope it continues. Can’t see how it won’t as long as the laptop can still charge off usbC too.

[TSC]

Thought there was some Brexit stuff to have this thread at the top of the page, and it appears to have evolved into a techie thread.

[Huyrob]

Thought there was some Brexit stuff to have this thread at the top of the page, and it appears to have evolved into a techie thread.

Totally agree . Really got pissed off with this thread, wore my battery down .

[stara]

Back to topic:

Anna Firth, a Tory MP, stood up in the House of Commons on and claimed that shellfish found in the Thames Estuary is a "Brexit Bonus".

https://twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1745085896725045687

[Riquende]

Back to topic:

Wow, that's sent me down a weird path. I googled the MP because her name isn't familiar and it's such a stupid thing to say, and found an article about it on a very left-leaning news site which I noticed was written by someone I used to work with - way, way back in a crappy dead-end retail job. Thing is, I remember him as being a proper right wing zealot, and we used to argue in the break room over politics. He referred to me (not to my face) as a "liberal fool" (guilty).

I've now seen that as well as writing tweets, articles on this 'Left Foot Forward' news site - actually he's the Editor -  he's also been elected as a Labour Councillor in Luton this last year. Which again, is weird because I remember him standing as a Tory candidate in 2015 (went and double checked, yep he did). I also found he was writing articles for ConservativeHome in 2016, where it was announced at the time he was "Chairman of Conservative Future Luton" (nothing more dead-end than that).

I'm half tempted to find a way to reach out to the guy and find out more about his political journey, and whether he still thinks its okay for a mob to chase a burglar out of a house, down the street, and kill them with cricket bats.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/dec/14/jail-brothers-burglar-cricket-bat

I misremembered, the burglar didn't die, it only resulted in permanent brain damage. Anyway, Basit and I disagreed that self-defence could involve chasing someone down the road to inflict further injury on them and then he told me that if it had happened to my family I'd have done the same thing. When I disagreed on that he told me I was wrong again, and as at that point he was apparently arguing from a position of knowing my thoughts and actions better than I do myself, I think we left it there.

[PaulF]

My daughter seems to have been studying the tony Martin case at school. Ethics I guess. The one where he shot the burglar in the back as he escaped through the window. We had quite an interesting time looking at pros and cons, but ultimately, for me, it boiled down to whether or not the burglar was a villa fan.

[TSC]

Back to topic:

Maybe it’s a question of whether they’re legal or illegal migrant shellfish, or something.

[reddebs]

Maybe it’s a question of whether they’re legal or illegal migrant shellfish, or something.

They'll be toxic anyway with all the shit Thames water pump in there 🤮🤢

[stara]

Introducing the new ‘pint’ size wine that’s about to hit the shelves in shops for the first time ever in 2024. According to the Government, 900 British vineyards are going to benefit from this act. The Minister for Enterprise, Markets and Small Business Kevin Hollinrake claimed that the move gives producers and consumers ‘innovation, freedom and choice’.
[url]https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/dec/27/pint-of-wine-anyone-uk-looks-to-bring-back-silly-measure

Shit engulved clams paired with pints of wine. What next?

[Jiminy Cricket]

Shit engulved clams paired with pints of wine. What next?

Bon Appétit! I mean, geddit down yer neck! (Chef kiss emoji)

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Back to topic:

https://twitter.com/implausibleblog/status/1745085896725045687

Fucking hell.

What a shitshow our MPs are. Fucking hell. These dickheads are supposed to be running the UK.

The sad thing is that I don't think they are taking the piss. They are genuinely this thick.

[reddebs]

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/648807?fbclid=IwAR3JZ1kNJkuiX7nTg1ZG5k4xuLbBkFd7g9YqI1VbpVJWOrrIHv9XImIuok4

[RedDeadRejection]

Fucking hell.

What a shitshow our MPs are. Fucking hell. These dickheads are supposed to be running the UK.

The sad thing is that I don't think they are taking the piss. They are genuinely this thick.

Heard on The Trawl that most shellfish we farm was imported to Europe anyway. So not exactly a benefit. So disingenuous.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Fucking hell.

What a shitshow our MPs are. Fucking hell. These dickheads are supposed to be running the UK.

The sad thing is that I don't think they are taking the piss. They are genuinely this thick.

Would it be too much of an assumption to suppose the reason for a boom is shellfish in the Thames is due to the Brexit boom in human waste in the Thames?

Shellfish are filter feeders. They will eat human waste. So, they are likely to multiply when fed more shit. But it will come as little surprise that shellfish dieting on human waste are not fit for human consumption. So, this 'discovery' is actually bad news, not good.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/aug/22/fears-over-english-shellfish-as-untreated-waste-dumped-in-water

https://archive.is/8Ps0H

[rob1966]

Heard on The Trawl that most shellfish we farm was imported to Europe anyway. So not exactly a benefit. So disingenuous.

Yep, a lot of the crying from the bellends in the fishing industry who voted for Brexit was that they couldn't export them to Europe anymore, as they no longer met the water standards for the EU for imports from a third world country, which we didn't have as an eu country.

With all the shite getting pumped into the rivers and sea, there is no way on earth the EU will allow their import, so there is no-one to sell them to anyway

[Nobby Reserve]

Would it be too much of an assumption to suppose the reason for a boom is shellfish in the Thames is due to the Brexit boom in human waste in the Thames?

Shellfish are filter feeders. They will eat human waste. So, they are likely to multiply when fed more shit. But it will come as little surprise that shellfish dieting on human waste are not fit for human consumption. So, this 'discovery' is actually bad news, not good.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/aug/22/fears-over-english-shellfish-as-untreated-waste-dumped-in-water

https://archive.is/8Ps0H

Shellfish are multiplying because our seas and estuaries are cleaner.

They're cleaner because the EEC considered clean seas to be, like, important and so imposed cleaner water targets.

At the time, in the 80's, The Thatcher and her brownshirts did their best to oppose its introduction.

[oldfordie]

Fucking hell.

What a shitshow our MPs are. Fucking hell. These dickheads are supposed to be running the UK.

The sad thing is that I don't think they are taking the piss. They are genuinely this thick.

Reflects badly on the local Tory members who picked her to stand at the 2020 by-election, she was allowed to stand unopposed after David Amiss was murdered. how anyone can be impressed by her is beyond me, she's a right d/head.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Shellfish are multiplying because our seas and estuaries are cleaner.

They're cleaner because the EEC considered clean seas to be, like, important and so imposed cleaner water targets.

At the time, in the 80's, The Thatcher and her brownshirts did their best to oppose its introduction.

I did try to look up if more shit = more shellfish, but could not find the answer. But what is certain is that the human waste ending up in the shellfish means that they (rightly) cannot be exported the to the EU.

[PaulF]

I did try to look up if more shit = more shellfish, but could not find the answer. But what is certain is that the human waste ending up in the shellfish means that they (rightly) cannot be exported the to the EU.

But presumably, because of our brexit freedoms, they can be sold here?

[Jiminy Cricket]

But presumably, because of our brexit freedoms, they can be sold here?

Yeah. But said shit would make them unfit for human consumption. I have no problem with that so long as we can enure they are sold only to Brexit supporters.

[PaulF]

Yeah. But said shit would make them unfit for human consumption. I have no problem with that so long as we can enure they are sold only to Brexit supporters.

Who says they are not fit for human consumption? Those pesky europeans? We have our sovereignty back now. If we want to eat shellfish full of human shit we can. And wash it down with a pint of finest Cornwall wine.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

I'm looking forward to seeing the union-jack sporting whelks and prawns marching proudly through the streets of London any day now.

[rob1966]

But presumably, because of our brexit freedoms, they can be sold here?

Depends, currently only 6% of shellfish can be sold to the EU or in the UK without being treated, as they meet the 230 ecoli in 100g, 6% have above 46000, so they cannot be sold even after treatment - the remainder can be treated and sold, but this is time consuming and expensive.

https://www.itv.com/news/2023-05-26/worrying-levels-of-e-coli-in-uks-shellfish-as-sewage-spills-into-sea

[stoa]

I did try to look up if more shit = more shellfish, but could not find the answer. But what is certain is that the human waste ending up in the shellfish means that they (rightly) cannot be exported the to the EU.

My thought would be that sewage works in a way as a fertilizer, so there's more of algae and other small stuff in the water, which also means there's more stuff for shellfish to "eat", therefore shellfish numbers go up. Problem is that sewage also comes with other stuff that is harmful for humans and also can be found in the shellfish once it's taken out of the water. So, it can't be sold.

[rob1966]

My thought would be that sewage works in a way as a fertilizer, so there's more of algae and other small stuff in the water, which also means there's more stuff for shellfish to "eat", therefore shellfish numbers go up. Problem is that sewage also comes with other stuff that is harmful for humans and also can be found in the shellfish once it's taken out of the water. So, it can't be sold.

In the Hudson River, the Oysters there are some of the biggest and fattest in the world, but are inedible as its so badly polluted, 11.2 million juvenile oysters were added in Dec 2021 to help clean the water, which oysters are brilliant at as they constantly take in and filter the water as they eat the shite in it, but the waters are still far to polluted to eat the oysters that live there.

[lobsterboy]

I'm looking forward to seeing the union-jack sporting whelks and prawns marching proudly through the streets of London any day now.

Fuck that. Its obviously an invasion.
I wont be happy until they are all on a plane to Rwanda.
Coming over here and stealing British sewage off British cockles and whelks.
Fucking liberties.