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Re: General Running Thread
« Reply #19280 on: April 27, 2024, 09:40:49 pm »
No mate, not really doing stretches at all these days.

But calf raises to strengthen, combined with a slow jog to warm up when going running sounds like a good plan, cheers 👍

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Re: General Running Thread
« Reply #19281 on: May 11, 2024, 11:09:02 pm »
Good luck to anyone running Manchester today. Still yet to do a proper marathon myself and will get to it at some point in the next few years when I feel like my body has no extra speed yet to give; the sub - 3 is a runner’s holy grail and one I hope to achieve.

You seem to get good times mate, I was wondering what the benefits of speed training is to boost a 5km/10km time - e.g. interval training of 300m for example?

I'm more of a long distance guy. I got a bad injury a few years ago (ripped the plantar fascia and got achilles tendonitis on the other foot) and slowly been recovering ever since. I'm roughly around 17.20 for my 5km time at the moment, and wanting to go faster.

But the reality is I don't follow any training schedule and I don't time myself running (I don't wear watches or take my mobile when running). My ignorance with regards to training is extremely low, my main aim is to just run good distances over a week with the intention of pushing relatively hard. Something more regimented might help but I have no clue.
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Re: General Running Thread
« Reply #19282 on: May 12, 2024, 10:09:55 am »
You seem to get good times mate, I was wondering what the benefits of speed training is to boost a 5km/10km time - e.g. interval training of 300m for example?

I'm more of a long distance guy. I got a bad injury a few years ago (ripped the plantar fascia and got achilles tendonitis on the other foot) and slowly been recovering ever since. I'm roughly around 17.20 for my 5km time at the moment, and wanting to go faster.

But the reality is I don't follow any training schedule and I don't time myself running (I don't wear watches or take my mobile when running). My ignorance with regards to training is extremely low, my main aim is to just run good distances over a week with the intention of pushing relatively hard. Something more regimented might help but I have no clue.
Running 17:20 with no training plan or fixed mileage is quite exceptional, do you have a background in some form of competitive sport?

Something more regimented absolutely would have an effect. If you’re wanting to drive that 5km time down, I’d recommend getting a watch, blocking out a 10 - 12 week block in your calendar and starting to build a proper training block. Without being too specific - I can get more specific if needs be - I’d start with maybe 30 - 35 miles a week (more if you’re already doing more) and build towards 50 miles a week, with each week containing 6 runs.

The 6 runs would be 3 x easy, 1 x easy long, 2 x sessions. The sessions would vary; one week speed and tempo another week, multiple speed or speed and threshold work. I know that sounds a bit confusing if you’ve not done that sort of thing before but I can offer more detail if needed. I’d also build in a low mileage rest week maybe week 6 of 10, whereby you only do one decent effort run and increase the rest days.

An example week of what I’ve just done:

Monday: Rest
Tuesday: Speed Session of 6 x 800m @ race pace off 2 mins walk recovery + 4x 200m @ 3km pace
Wednesday: AM Easy 8 Miles slow, PM Easy 4 Miles Slow
Thursday: Strength Training + Easy 6 Miles
Friday: AM 4 miles easy, PM 8 Miles consisting of 2 miles easy, 4 miles tempo, 2 easy
Saturday: 6 Miles easy including 8x 20 second strides
Sunday: 12 miles consisting of 6 Easy, 4 Tempo, 2 easy

This plan helps to build speed via the dedicated speed work, but also train the body to vary speed during a race and get used to race pace under duress, with the controlled tempo efforts amongst long runs. This represents a big load and the 2nd heaviest mileage week of my 12 week plan, so don’t start off on something like this, it’s purely illustrative. This would be after over 6 weeks of build up from a strong base.

Let me know if you’ve any questions and good luck, 17:20 is quick and suggests if you’ve no real training background you could make big gains quickly; I’d argue you’re probably naturally quicker than someone like me who relies on high volume and loses speed quickly if I don’t basically reinitiate a training block after a short break following a big race. Speed training and variation is so important, I was stuck at around 18:00 for a 5km for two years despite decent mileage because I didn’t vary my training enough or understand that you have to go through very specific cycles with the intention of peaking for a certain event; I just maintained my fitness and ever got better over 5km or 10km. When I finally got a coach, sat down and planned what my goal races were and we introduced targeted training, I’ve never looked back. Over 2 minutes off my 5km and 4 minutes off my 10km in the last two years.
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Re: General Running Thread
« Reply #19283 on: May 13, 2024, 04:36:44 pm »
Ploughed my way through 2 bottles of wine last night

Today, raining, threw on an extra layer, mapped out 13k or so

ended up doing 16. Flying along.  1 hour 38 mins 46 seconds. I did that route a few years back and today was about 5 minutes faster.

Recently ran 8k leg of belfast marathon in 42.19

Working with a PT so its making a huge difference
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Re: General Running Thread
« Reply #19284 on: May 13, 2024, 08:49:51 pm »
Nice one Paul. Every run is a struggle for me at the moment. Went up to 5 miles at the weekend but had to walk bits every mile or so. Fitness levels feel rock bottom.

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Re: General Running Thread
« Reply #19285 on: May 13, 2024, 10:07:43 pm »
Just work it back slowly.
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Re: General Running Thread
« Reply #19286 on: May 14, 2024, 08:40:31 am »
Good effort that Paul. I’m thinking white wine as red would’ve made my head fall off in that quantity  ;D

Paul’s right Nick, build up slowly, don’t get too pissed off with yourself. Running is possibly the worst sport for thinking ‘I used to be better than this’ and it’s certainly the sport where you I can lose fitness and sharpness the quickest. Slow build, easy paced running then maybe chuck something quicker in once a week when the distances are feeling easier.

Taper week for me as I have a 5km this Friday, at Christleton which is meant to be one of the fastest courses in the North West. Hoping I can knock over a minute off my long-standing 5km PB. I know I should PB, purely off of knowing I can tempo quicker than my previous best and I just never really do 5kms. After this Friday, a rest week then straight into a 12 week training block designed to have me sharp and at my best for when the track season gets rolling.
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