Topic: India - deteriorating?

[Bullet500]

The Indian state of Manipur has been burning since over a month now: https://www.telegraphindia.com/north-east/one-beheaded-in-revenge-attack-three-shot-dead-as-manipur-violence-clocks-60-days/cid/1949284

[west_london_red]

Rahul Gandhi to move Supreme Court after Gujarat High Court dismisses appeal in defamation case

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-66130029

[Bullet500]

'We Won't Stop The War': Meet Tapta, the Voice Behind Manipur's 'Genocide Song' - https://www.thequint.com/news/india/manipur-violence-tapta-meitei-singer-genocide-song-kukis

[Bullet500]

‘Foreigners on our own land’: ethnic clashes threaten to push India’s Manipur state into civil war - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/10/foreigners-on-our-own-land-ethnic-clashes-threaten-to-push-indias-manipur-state-into-civil-war

[Bullet500]

"Manipur violence: Top tribal body condemns molestation of two Kuki-Zo tribal women, demands justice" - https://www.indiatodayne.in/manipur/story/manipur-violence-top-tribal-body-condemns-molestation-of-two-kuki-zo-tribal-women-demands-justice-617366-2023-07-19

Horrific details.

[west_london_red]

Seems to be getting a lot of coverage now, every time I walk past my dads TV they are talking about it.

[Bullet500]

"Indian guard kills colleague and three passengers on train, then hails Modi" - https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/7/31/indian-guard-kills-colleague-and-three-passengers-on-train-then-hails-modi

> “If you want to live and vote in Hindustan [India], I am telling you, it’s only Modi and Yogi,” he was heard saying in one of the videos verified by Al Jazeera.

[Bullet500]

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/08/bawaal-movie-amazon-prime-holocaust-auschwitz-bollywood.html

A Bollywood movie with dialogues such as:

"Every relationship goes through their Auschwitz."

"We’re all a little like Hitler, aren’t we? We’re not satisfied with what we have?"

Indian education system for masses has never been good.

[ChaChaMooMoo]

Indian education system for masses has never been good.

Hasnt that always been the case?

[Bullet500]

Hasnt that always been the case?

Think "never" means the same.

The only qualifier I added is "for masses" otherwise people only look at our best institutes - which are not that many really.

Meanwhile, India suspends Labour MP's OCI card. https://twitter.com/TanDhesi/status/1687110695106859009

[BarryCrocker]

Could it be argued:

Deteriorating - As, was once good and now going backwards.
No progressing - Not getting better or moving forward.

This is not a point at India always being bad but what was the 'peak' India that they regressing from?

I see deteriorating in the things the the Taliban are winding back in Afghanistan.

[Bullet500]

Could it be argued:

Deteriorating - As, was once good and now going backwards.
No progressing - Not getting better or moving forward.

This is not a point at India always being bad but what was the 'peak' India that they regressing from?

I see deteriorating in the things the the Taliban are winding back in Afghanistan.

I grew up in India for a fair few years and I was born in a Hindu family. Few things:

Democracy has taken a very illiberal majoritarianist turn.

Request information using the 'Right to Information Act', you always get vague response from the government.

Donations to political parties are 100% anonymous.

Media though always biased, had a veneer of civility. Now all it does is vilify minorities. A lot of Hindus think they are in danger. Doubt they ever thought so > 10 years ago.

[ScouserAtHeart]

A lot of Hindus think they are in danger. Doubt they ever thought so > 10 years ago.

Of course they did. You just didn't have social media and Whatsapp back then

[fosspowered]

Of course they did. You just didn't have social media and Whatsapp back then

The question still remains whether social media amplified the message across.

[west_london_red]

Meanwhile, India suspends Labour MP's OCI card. https://twitter.com/TanDhesi/status/1687110695106859009

They have been doing such things to various people who supported the farmers protest, Punjabi singers, Sikh charities, they seem to be getting visits from the income tax department or NIA.

[west_london_red]

Of course they did. You just didn't have social media and Whatsapp back then

Yup, this goes back much further than the last 10 years, love Jihad, Muslims outbreeding the rest of the population, these stories have been going around for forever. The RSS and similar organisations didn’t just pop up in the last 10 years either.

[Bullet500]

Of course they did. You just didn't have social media and Whatsapp back then

nah, very few did. Even the BJP leadership doesn't think Hindus are in any danger. Most just believe because of fake news and 24x7 propaganda.

[Bullet500]

"Did India let down the maharajahs?" - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-66370541

> Unlike Britain, monarchy has no place in India's democracy. Yet, the means to this end was often twisted. When the cards were dealt, the princes were given an unfair hand.

[Bullet500]

The latest fad is Hinduphobia.

Apologies for sharing Twitter links.

This lady was elected as the President of Oxford University Students Union. And, then she had to resign because of racist and insensitive comments on her social media. Now she has written this weird book: https://twitter.com/RashmiDVS/status/1687853092195479552 More context: https://indianexpress.com/article/india/rashmi-samants-resignation-as-president-of-the-oxford-student-union-had-nothing-to-do-with-her-being-indian-or-hindu-university-societies-7239794/ Her successor was also an Indian girl, btw (Edit: Perhaps, only ethnically).

The new trend among Hindu immigrants in western countries is to term any and every criticism as Hinduphobia. https://twitter.com/hinduoncampus/status/1687421895715487744

[west_london_red]

Stifle all dissent:

IAS, IPS and IFoS: Is India stifling criticism by retired bureaucrats?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-66425562

[ChaChaMooMoo]

Stifle all dissent:

IAS, IPS and IFoS: Is India stifling criticism by retired bureaucrats?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-66425562

In issues of national security and espionage right?

How is this bad?

[west_london_red]

In issues of national security and espionage right?

How is this bad?

They can withhold pensions without a criminal conviction, with no right to appeal. And you know as well as I do that things like ‘threatening India’s public interest’ is usually stretched to the ruling parties political interests.

[Bullet500]

Obviously, it will be misused. Intentionally designed ambiguous laws with selective application has always been Indian culture.

Unrelated, but I wonder what's going to happen with this guy: https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/pune-news/star-scientist-at-drdo-in-pune-arrested-for-sharing-sensitive-information-with-pakistani-intelligence-operative-through-a-honey-trap-101683654548184.html [May 2023]

Senior leader of RSS, a scientist at DRDO, honey-trapped by a Pakistani woman (ISI agent). 

[west_london_red]

Thousands to attend funeral of Sikh activist - but not one family member will be present

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/thousands-to-attend-funeral-of-sikh-activist-but-not-one-family-member-will-be-present-12938108


So his family were denied a visa to attend their sons funeral for allegedly pulling down the Indian flag at the embassy based purely on Indian media reports even though our own Met said he wasn’t one of the people responsible. And having seen footage of the incident and watched Khanda on TV many times it definitely isn’t him who pulled the flag down, not all turbaned Sikhs look the same but that all seems to be beyond the Home Office.

[Bullet500]

Thousands to attend funeral of Sikh activist - but not one family member will be present

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/thousands-to-attend-funeral-of-sikh-activist-but-not-one-family-member-will-be-present-12938108


So his family were denied a visa to attend their sons funeral for allegedly pulling down the Indian flag at the embassy based purely on Indian media reports even though our own Met said he wasn’t one of the people responsible. And having seen footage of the incident and watched Khanda on TV many times it definitely isn’t him who pulled the flag down, not all turbaned Sikhs look the same but that all seems to be beyond the Home Office.

idk, it's either that he was involved with the broader group that attacked the embassy or there was pressure by Indian govt. Both situations are likely. However, Indian media definitely indulged in disinformation when they claimed he was the one who pulled the flag down. And, they usually don't set these narratives all by themselves.

[west_london_red]

Anger in India after school teacher makes her students take turns to slap Muslim boy

https://apple.news/AlhbeWzSaRGKYb9I1tUvrCA

[west_london_red]

Anyone else notice the similarities between the logo for the G20 meeting and the BJP logo?

[Keith Lard]

This would indicate the country is getting something right …

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[surfer. Fuck you generator.]

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/9/15/indias-dirty-hush-hush-truth-hindu-children-are-being-radicalised

[Nobby Reserve]

India = Russia?

Only they prefer a conventional assassination method to Novichok...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66848041

[west_london_red]

India = Russia?

Only they prefer a conventional assassination method to Novichok...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66848041

I’m actually speechless about this. Sikh activists and campaigners were saying his murder was the work of the Indian government from the get go, and while I had my suspicions I also know that the Khalistani movement can play the conspiracy theory card and see the hand of the Indian government behind literally everything so I personally did give the government the benefit of the doubt.

Also, don’t assume it hasn’t happened here too. There was a Sikh activist called Avtar Singh Khanda who died mysteriously at around the same time apparently of blood cancer but there’s been a lot of similar rumours around his death.

[bornandbRED]

India = Russia?

Only they prefer a conventional assassination method to Novichok...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66848041

Akin to the Khashoggi episode. This should receive international condemnation and as the poster mentioned above its one in a spate of international killings, including one in the U.K. very recently. Although Sunak is in bed with the GOI no doubt.

[west_london_red]

Akin to the Khashoggi episode. This should receive international condemnation and as the poster mentioned above its one in a spate of international killings, including one in the U.K. very recently. Although Sunak is in bed with the GOI no doubt.

Nothing will happen, the UK is desperate for a trade deal and everyone else will be scared about pushing India closer to Russia if they condemned too hard so will say and do nothing.

[ChaChaMooMoo]

Holy shit thats some serious allegations. I doubt he wouldve told what he told without any credible sources.

He should come forward with the proof of such a connection. Its a serious blow to the international image of India.

[ScouserAtHeart]

It'll just make the goverment look better

[masher]

Akin to the Khashoggi episode. This should receive international condemnation and as the poster mentioned above its one in a spate of international killings, including one in the U.K. very recently. Although Sunak is in bed with the GOI no doubt.

Comparing Najjar to a journalist? Najjar was the main suspect in a bombing case that killed six people, an extradition request was placed and Canada as usual did not respond to it. He also had a interpol red corner notice against him.

If Indian intelligence is responsible, and thats a big if since no evidence has been presented, I am struggling to see how this is any different to west killing Al-Qaeda terrorist all over the globe?

[masher]

Akin to the Khashoggi episode. This should receive international condemnation and as the poster mentioned above its one in a spate of international killings, including one in the U.K. very recently. Although Sunak is in bed with the GOI no doubt.

That case has been investigated by British agencies and no suspicion of any foul play.

Only spate of killings I believe Indian agencies are responsible for are of LeT ones in Pakistan and POK. Which is more than welcome and may it continue till they are all eliminated.

[bornandbRED]

Comparing Najjar to a journalist? Najjar was the main suspect in a bombing case that killed six people, an extradition request was placed and Canada as usual did not respond to it. He also had a interpol red corner notice against him.

If Indian intelligence is responsible, and thats a big if since no evidence has been presented, I am struggling to see how this is any different to west killing Al-Qaeda terrorist all over the globe?

He was the head of a temple and a peaceful protest movement; there’s absolutely 0 evidence that he was involved in any illicit activity. Comparing this to an Al-Qaeda operative is laughable, and he was 0 threat to the public.

It’s similar to Khashoggi in that he was a critic of the state operating abroad, and then silenced abroad. And the Canadian prime minister doesn’t randomly mention Indian involvement unless there is involvement.

[west_london_red]

Also worth remembering that Canada like most countries won’t extradite someone to a country where suspects are routinely tortured or their lives would be in danger.

[ChaChaMooMoo]

It’s similar to Khashoggi in that he was a critic of the state operating abroad, and then silenced abroad. And the Canadian prime minister doesn’t randomly mention Indian involvement unless there is involvement.

To be fair, Trudeau said he is investigating the potential links. Doesnt mean there is. It could also be a dud for all we know about it today.

It will be similar to Khashoggi's murder by Saudi IF its proven that Indian govt is behind this. Until then, its all speculation.