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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5880 on: March 4, 2024, 06:10:09 pm »
Well this was always going to be the easiest one to overturn.

The criminal trials and his immunity appeals won't be

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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5881 on: March 4, 2024, 06:20:04 pm »
18-30(ish) year olds not showing up to vote is a tale as old as time, isn't it?

Its time for Taylor Swift to voice her support.
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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5882 on: March 4, 2024, 07:04:51 pm »
18-30(ish) year olds not showing up to vote is a tale as old as time, isn't it?

Yes there's usually some reason they don't turn out!

From any polling I've seen, Trump is favourite at the moment, and it doesn't have much to do with Gaza either

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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5883 on: March 4, 2024, 08:06:23 pm »
Hate to say it, but it feels like Trump is going to win. Think Biden's position on Israel/Palestine will dissuade a lot of voters under 30 from even voting for president.

He's been dead set on being the next president for a long time now, it's going to be exhausting few years.
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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5884 on: March 4, 2024, 09:05:47 pm »
If Uncle Joe was my Old Uncle Joe I'd urge him to retire out of concern for his health...
plus he'd also get to spend more time with Major. Those two have a bond and it's not
good to separate them...Never mind Gaza...Won't somebody think of the dog.



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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5885 on: March 4, 2024, 10:24:36 pm »
Its time for Taylor Swift to voice her support.

They should nominate her for Veep

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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5886 on: March 5, 2024, 05:11:58 am »
my guess is that the u30's who turn their back on Biden because of Gaza will be outnumbered by the u30's who will race to vote for him due to abortion, Trump's history, whole demeanour and nonstop bullshit, plus the R's stance on social issues and guns.

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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5887 on: March 5, 2024, 06:13:45 am »
Which will in turn allow a guy into office who would probably gleefully watch the total annihilation of Palestine. From a Party that's 100% on board as well.

Dems who are against Biden/Dems actions on the current Gaza conflict should remember:

> Trump moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem.
> Shut of funding to the UN agency for Palestinian Refugees.
> Would recognised the Golan Heights as being Israeli.
> Allow West Bank settlements to expand.


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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5888 on: March 5, 2024, 07:36:47 am »
I think the Supreme Court decision was right, despite not liking it. If you allow states to bar candidates it absolutely will be weaponised in a partisan way going forward. Look at how the republicans are abusing investigations at the moment and trying to weaponise impeachment.

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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5889 on: March 5, 2024, 08:58:21 am »
I don't agree with the approach, but seems like many will go down this route. They’d rather stick it the Dems and hope they look inwards to make change.

If Trump wins and Republicans turn the senate (which I think they will - they’ll definitely take Machins seat for example) then I wouldn’t be that confident there’ll be much of an “inwards” to look.

The same clowns who looked at Trump and Clinton and said she was the lesser of two evils and voted for that Russian stooge Stein (with enough votes to swing it in at least one state) will be at it again.

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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5890 on: March 5, 2024, 10:08:22 am »
I think the Supreme Court decision was right, despite not liking it. If you allow states to bar candidates it absolutely will be weaponised in a partisan way going forward. Look at how the republicans are abusing investigations at the moment and trying to weaponise impeachment.

I think Trump should have been arrested by the his own USSS detachment on Jan 7th. Why Garland and Co dragged their feet for two years is beyond me.
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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5891 on: March 5, 2024, 04:50:54 pm »
I'd push Biden out the door and run Michelle Obama. She's intelligent, young and has the X factor required to win and to do the job  That would be a guaranteed win right there for the democrats. Biden as well as being a war monger intent on selling arms to Israel to kill innocent children is ancient and needs to step aside. I'll be honest, i'm terrified that Trump will get back in and action needs to be taken.

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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5892 on: March 5, 2024, 06:15:27 pm »
I think Trump should have been arrested by the his own USSS detachment on Jan 7th. Why Garland and Co dragged their feet for two years is beyond me.

Because Garland is a coward who feared looking "political" for going after Trump right after taking office. Even though Republicans were always going to say that, regardless.

If Biden wins reelection his first act should be to sack the spineless fecker.
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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5893 on: March 5, 2024, 06:17:37 pm »
As soon as as the milquetoast Biden was looking like the candidate last time, the republican hate machine sprung into action to paint him as simultaneously senile/evil genius/incompetent/racist/woke/communist/fascist and whatever else they could throw at him, they managed to kid themselves that they'd hated him forever. I can only imagine what they'd do with Michelle Obama, they'd put her through hell. Can't blame her for wanting no part of it

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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5894 on: March 5, 2024, 08:35:47 pm »
What is it with all these political dynasties... the Kennedys, the Bushes, the Clintons, now the Obamas? Do you people miss the monarchy that much? Better snap out of it before DoJu or Ivanka throw their hat in the ring.

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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5895 on: March 5, 2024, 09:35:52 pm »
What is it with all these political dynasties... the Kennedys, the Bushes, the Clintons, now the Obamas? Do you people miss the monarchy that much? Better snap out of it before DoJu or Ivanka throw their hat in the ring.

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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5896 on: March 5, 2024, 09:54:25 pm »
I can definitely see a few old school Republicans basically saying you cannot vote for Trump this November and basically if you want the best for the country don't vote if you can't vote for Biden. The likes of president Bush, Liz Cheney, Mrs McCain, dozens of people who actually were in Trumps WH like Pence, Bolton etc will not support Trump publicly. This may not affect the Trumpers core but there still quite a few million Republicans who know Trump is toxic to the country. There's no way he's getting back to the WH with so many powerhouses in the party who hate him.
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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5897 on: March 6, 2024, 12:23:31 am »
Trump is going downhill with dementia, and it's becoming more apparent every day. however there is 10x more media focus on "Is Biden too old?" than on showing why Trump is seriously losing it.

read this -  a bit long but very interesting.
https://www.salon.com/2024/03/01/like-someone-pulled-the-metaphorical-plug-dr-john-gartner-on-accelerating-dementia/

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In a recent conversation with Dr. John Gartner, a prominent psychologist and contributor to the bestselling book "The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President," the former faculty member at Johns Hopkins University told me that based on Trump's speech, memory, recall, and other behavior, he appears to be “hypomanic” and cognitively deteriorating at a rapid rate:

"I had to speak out now because the 2024 election might turn on this issue of who is cognitively capable: Biden or Trump? It's a major issue that will affect some people's votes. Not enough people are sounding the alarm, that based on his behavior, and in my opinion, Donald Trump is dangerously demented. In fact, we are seeing the opposite among too many in the news media, the political leaders and among the public. There is also this focus on Biden's gaffes or other things that are well within the normal limits of aging. By comparison, Trump appears to be showing gross signs of dementia. This is a tale of two brains. Biden's brain is aging. Trump's brain is dementing."

This weekend, Trump showed more evidence of his accelerating dementia. Trump named the wrong month for the primary, said that Putin would rather see Biden as president and he agreed with him, and that he made Israel the capital of Israel. But most important are the fundamental breakdowns in his ability to use language. Once you become aware of a symptom, you start to notice it, whereas before you might have overlooked it.

Trump manifested a number of phonemic paraphasias. He was trying to say evangelist, for example, but haltingly said "evangelish.” He was trying to say “three years later," but said, “three years, lady, lady, lady.” Trying to spit out the word “lately,” he sounded like a car with a bad battery struggling to turn over. When Trump can't find a word his whole demeanor changes. It’s almost like someone pulled the metaphorical plug. Trump looks blank, stops in mid-sentence (or mid-word), his jaw goes a little slack, and when he starts to talk again, he slurs, speaks haltingly, and often looks confused. Trying to get the word out, he shifts to a non-word that is easier to pronounce. When people are losing their ability to use language they use non-words. They start with the stem of the real word, and then they improvise from there.

In my family we call sandwiches “slamichs” because that’s what my stepson called them when he was three. It was cute then. It’s not cute watching and adult man regress to the mental age of a three-year-old. It can make you even feel sorry for Trump in those moments when he appears so vulnerable, confused, and disoriented. I asked several highly specialized experts about Trump's use of language, and they told me that what Trump is doing in total, but especially the phonemic paraphasias, were almost certain evidence of brain damage. This is not minor, or within normal limits, like forgetting who the president of Germany is, for example, as Biden has been pilloried for. Trump is evidencing formal thought disorder, where his basic ability to use language is breaking down.

Trump is also showing signs of "semantic aphasia" where he is using words in the wrong way. For example, when Trump talked about "the oranges of the investigation." We saw an example of that this weekend, as well. Trump said, “We’re going to protect pro-God….” In mid-sentence, he goes blank and looks at the ceiling. The words he uses to complete the sentence don’t really make sense: “…context and content.”

Trump is bragging about passing the MOCA, a screening test for dementia, as if it made him MENSA, when it’s a test any kindergartener should pass. Specialists tell me a patient can be in steep diagnosable organic decline for an extended period before they fail the MOCA. Someone with an advanced degree from an Ivy League school, for example, has a lot of IQ points to give before they hit kindergarten level. If you pass the MOCA it certainly does not mean you’re cognitively equipped to be President of the United States. Trump can’t even name the current president of the United States. Seven times he’s said he’s running against Obama. That’s not a gaffe or joke. That’s hard clinical evidence of serious organic brain damage.
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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5898 on: March 6, 2024, 11:03:11 am »
If these are the best two candidates, America, and the world, is fucked.
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« Reply #5899 on: March 6, 2024, 11:17:02 am »
Think you would have seen two more capable pensioners at the local shop this morning than these two decrepit men. At least Biden has surrounded himself with a somewhat professional cabinet while Trump must be scrapping the rubbish bin to find his next nut to work for him. I never would have thought the so call leader of the free world could be so irrelevant as does anyone really take a notice these days when they rabbit on. The big issue is the lack of action when the innocent are caught in the middle and America have their hands tied due to the cogs refusing to move forward. The house and senate watch on as the world burns and all they worry about is how to get re-elected by scrubbing the backs of their backers.
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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5900 on: March 6, 2024, 11:29:57 am »
If these are the best two cany, America, and the world, is fucked.

Nice tribute to Trump there. Well played.
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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5901 on: March 6, 2024, 01:16:20 pm »
Hate to say it, but it feels like Trump is going to win. Think Biden's position on Israel/Palestine will dissuade a lot of voters under 30 from even voting for president.

Saw an interview with Allan Lichtman today, the guy who supposedly predicts elections, and he remembered 1968 when a lot of younger voters abstained from voting for Humphries over Vietnam. The result - Nixon narrowly won, the Vietnam war continued and even escalated for 4 more years, and American democracy was nearly wrecked.

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Incidentally, I had a go with Lichtman's 13 keys to the Whitehouse. You need five or fewer negatives for the incumbent to loose.

Key20202024
Incumbent party nominee TrumpBiden
Challenger party nominee BidenTrump
Midterm gains falsefalse
No primary contest truetrue
Incumbent seeking re-electiontruetrue
No third partytruetrue*I don't think you should count RFK.
Strong short-term economyfalsetrue
Strong long-term economyfalsetrue
Major policy changetruefalse*Judgement call. You could say Biden has made major policy changes. Just trying to call this conservatively.
No social unrestfalsetrue
No scandalfalsetrue
No foreign or military failuretruetrue*Afganistan? Was it a failure? Was it major? Maybe a bigger issue is Israel. Could go either way. Then there's Ukraine
Major foreign or military successfalsefalse*Again, this could become a success depending on Israel/Ukraine
Charismatic incumbentfalsefalse
Uncharismatic challengertruetrue
False keys74

Lichtman himself hasn't called it yet.
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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5902 on: March 6, 2024, 01:32:36 pm »
Hate to say it, but it feels like Trump is going to win. Think Biden's position on Israel/Palestine will dissuade a lot of voters under 30 from even voting for president.

The warning signs are everywhere unfortunately and to be honest it's beyond depressing at this stage.
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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5903 on: March 6, 2024, 01:35:34 pm »
If these are the best two candidates, America, and the world, is fucked.

Two of the worst pricks ever to contest an election to be honest.
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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5904 on: March 6, 2024, 01:51:04 pm »
Two of the worst pricks ever to contest an election to be honest.

The only thing wrong with Biden is that he's old. He's not a racist, or a pathological liar, or a narcissist, or a rapist, or a fraudster. He isn't facing 91 indictments and he didn't try to overthrow democracy. He didn't nominate fuckhead judges to the Supreme Court and he's not trying to take anyone's rights away or turn America into a white Christian nationalist state. He's not a despicable prick. He's just old.

Biden has the advantage of incumbency, and he has also beaten Trump before. The only reason America is in this position is because about half of the voting public are stupid, or assholes, or stupid assholes. Trump is a c*nt and anyone who votes for him is a c*nt. You may not agree with Biden's policies, especially on Israel, but like it or not, they are mainstream American policies. The other side are fascist lunatics.

If Biden wins, not much will happen. If Trump wins, you can kiss goodbye to the biggest democracy in human history.

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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5906 on: March 6, 2024, 01:55:45 pm »
The only thing wrong with Biden is that he's old. He's not a racist, or a pathological liar, or a narcissist, or a rapist, or a fraudster. He isn't facing 91 indictments and he didn't try to overthrow democracy. He didn't nominate fuckhead judges to the Supreme Court and he's not trying to take anyone's rights away or turn America into a white Christian nationalist state. He's not a despicable prick. He's just old.

Biden has the advantage of incumbency, and he has also beaten Trump before. The only reason America is in this position is because about half of the voting public are stupid, or assholes, or stupid assholes. Trump is a c*nt and anyone who votes for him is a c*nt. You may not agree with Biden's policies, especially on Israel, but like it or not, they are mainstream American policies. The other side are fascist lunatics.

If Biden wins, not much will happen. If Trump wins, you can kiss goodbye to the biggest democracy in human history.

I think it would be a no contest had the democrats had a candidate thats 30-40 years younger than Biden, a fresh face with fresh ideas. Biden cant even walk upright, hes 80 odd going on 120. Its a very bad look. Even if you dont consider the foreign policy on Israel which is polarising the world.

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« Reply #5907 on: March 6, 2024, 02:09:03 pm »
Biden cant even walk upright

Seriously, what the fuck are you talking about? He crawls? Lopes along on his clenched fists? Scoots around on his ass? Explain what you mean by "Biden can't even walk upright". Have you never seen him walk? Are you seriously saying that a man who we have all seen walk around upright cannot, in fact, walk upright? Is it CGI? Deepfake? Jesus fucking christ.

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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5908 on: March 6, 2024, 02:14:53 pm »
I think it would be a no contest had the democrats had a candidate thats 30-40 years younger than Biden, a fresh face with fresh ideas. Biden cant even walk upright, hes 80 odd going on 120. Its a very bad look. Even if you dont consider the foreign policy on Israel which is polarising the world.

He can make effective decisions, get sh*t done and will preserve their democracy which will keep us all safer. They can have a candidate whos a tap dancing/great orator next time around.

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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5909 on: March 6, 2024, 02:17:55 pm »
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There he is in the first fucking minute of the video, clearly walking upright, WHAT FUCKING SORCERY IS THIS?

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« Reply #5910 on: March 6, 2024, 02:19:31 pm »
So,  looking at margins, AZ and GA had margins of around 10k-11k in 2020 for Biden, so are probably seen as the most likely to switch; on the flip side to that is since 2020, AZ has had a deeply unpopular DINO/Independent Senator (Sinema) who the Dems will want to turn out to get rid of and in GA Stacey Abrams has done a phenomenal job at increase black and minority voter registrations (and turnout).  Even then, they only havce 27 EVs combined, so flipping both would still leave Biden with a healthy majority in the EV.   The next 2 are WI (majority of 21k) and NV (majority of 34k) - flipping both would give Trump the win with 16 extra EVs (but flipping just one would not). 

MI and PA look more off the table, for now, I'd argue - majorities of 154k and 81k are sizeable enough, but possible?  Both are Blue States though historically (large margins of victory for Obama both times, for Cliton both times AND against Bush both times) so the 2016 performance of Trump in the two could be seen as more a flash in the pan.  North Carolina on the other hand had a Trump margin of 74k, so similar status I'd argue in terms of on/off the table. 

The other thing to consider is the issue of abortion - a number of the Purple States will (hopefully) have abortion on the paper, with the Dems supporting it and the Repugs not - so that would encourage "maybe stay at home" voters to turn out, and then hopefully vote Biden (instead of spoiling their paper).

Yes, the path is fairly narrow, so Biden has a chance based on that.  There's no surprise factor in terms of the battleground states.

My focus is twofold:
-Enthusiasm, as you noted:
Will the "maybe stay at home" or "I don't like both candidates" types turn out for Biden or actually stay home?  There's a lot of protest polling and voting, but when November rolls around, and the GOP repeatedly proposes or passes local laws that are abhorrent to the majority of the public, will those undecideds break for Biden?  It'll be huge if they do.  Biden has lagging enthusiasm for now, but that could change.
-Demographic and geographic problems:
This part will be interesting for me.  Leading up to 2016, electoral enthusiasm was relatively pitiful among the left, and Trump's push on non-educated voters tapping into traditional bluish states was a surprise.  But since then, the Dems have dominated the college-educated group even more.  60% of new college students are women (who vote slightly more anyway), and with Dobbs and more "sticky" voting, they did well in 2022, and they have a strong demographic that's politically motivated.  The Dems have also been racking up suburbanite support, which has been crucial in winning PA, GA, etc.  The problem is that Trump gained among minority voters in 2020, and younger men are more conservative.  This group tends to be less consistent in voting, but they could absolute turn out in 2024.  GOP strategists know and have essentially given up on college-educated women.  But they've going hard at minorities, non-college educated women, etc.  The cross-tabs from polling show some appalling results for Biden.  The key really is 1) where these voters are and 2) if they'll actually vote.  A Miami-Dade Cuban small business owner without a degree is nothing like a Mexican-American women who just completed grad school at the University of Arizona.  You can argue for the sake of the 2024 election that the latter is more important.  However, on the flip side, a young voter in DC might as well throw their votes away compared to a young voter in Michigan/Pennsylvania/Wisconsin and the like.  Young, college educated people prefer cities and suburbs, but that's just overindexing.

There's a "fear" that the Dems reach a nadir in 2024 demographics-wise, where their strength among minority voters shrinks substantially in battleground states (especially those without a college degree), their weakness among white voters in those states persist, while their strength in college-educated voters run up the score in places like DC, VA, NY, CA, etc, but does absolutely nothing for the Presidency, House, or Senate.

There's too many undecideds and other factors, but there's a fear that those vote margins in the battleground states will be obliterated by a wave among voters that have not received enough attention, and the Dems are too complacent with demographics and geography starting to work against them.

In the long run, and in midterms, a lot of this will even itself out, but 2024 can be a challenge.
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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5911 on: March 6, 2024, 02:52:27 pm »
Great post Skipper as pretty much sums it up as Trump somehow persuaded a lot of minorities to waste their vote on him. The Dems were probably lazy thinking they always get the minority vote in some states but took their eye off the ball. On the other hand especially in GA, the local Dem campaign was brilliant getting out the vote even when there was a couple of hours wait at local polling stations where minorities lived. Of course in other more Trump inclined areas of GA you could walk right in and vote. Even with this advantage Trump still lost as the turnout was high and that's the key, you got to get the voters off their ass. The average American is impatient n lazy to be honest as they will only stand in a queue at Disney 😉 so Bidens team has to be energetic on the ground and Joe better amp up his energy just for the month prior to November. Maybe it's time to get his double out there running around looking fit and able. The race for the WH shouldn't be close as once the ad machine starts showing, Trump should be dead in the water with the actual facts you have on his 4 years in charge. A looney bin looked less crazy.
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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5912 on: March 6, 2024, 04:03:37 pm »
Hayley has stepped away, so it’s confirmed Trump v Biden

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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5913 on: March 6, 2024, 04:08:14 pm »
Of course, this is America so you always have to factor in the possible candidate assassination possibility. I always think it would be the ultimate irony if a gun lobby candidate suffered such a fate.
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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5914 on: March 6, 2024, 05:07:28 pm »
Yes, the path is fairly narrow, so Biden has a chance based on that.  There's no surprise factor in terms of the battleground states.

My focus is twofold:
-Enthusiasm, as you noted:
Will the "maybe stay at home" or "I don't like both candidates" types turn out for Biden or actually stay home?  There's a lot of protest polling and voting, but when November rolls around, and the GOP repeatedly proposes or passes local laws that are abhorrent to the majority of the public, will those undecideds break for Biden?  It'll be huge if they do.  Biden has lagging enthusiasm for now, but that could change.
-Demographic and geographic problems:
This part will be interesting for me.  Leading up to 2016, electoral enthusiasm was relatively pitiful among the left, and Trump's push on non-educated voters tapping into traditional bluish states was a surprise.  But since then, the Dems have dominated the college-educated group even more.  60% of new college students are women (who vote slightly more anyway), and with Dobbs and more "sticky" voting, they did well in 2022, and they have a strong demographic that's politically motivated.  The Dems have also been racking up suburbanite support, which has been crucial in winning PA, GA, etc.  The problem is that Trump gained among minority voters in 2020, and younger men are more conservative.  This group tends to be less consistent in voting, but they could absolute turn out in 2024.  GOP strategists know and have essentially given up on college-educated women.  But they've going hard at minorities, non-college educated women, etc.  The cross-tabs from polling show some appalling results for Biden.  The key really is 1) where these voters are and 2) if they'll actually vote.  A Miami-Dade Cuban small business owner without a degree is nothing like a Mexican-American women who just completed grad school at the University of Arizona.  You can argue for the sake of the 2024 election that the latter is more important.  However, on the flip side, a young voter in DC might as well throw their votes away compared to a young voter in Michigan/Pennsylvania/Wisconsin and the like.  Young, college educated people prefer cities and suburbs, but that's just overindexing.

There's a "fear" that the Dems reach a nadir in 2024 demographics-wise, where their strength among minority voters shrinks substantially in battleground states (especially those without a college degree), their weakness among white voters in those states persist, while their strength in college-educated voters run up the score in places like DC, VA, NY, CA, etc, but does absolutely nothing for the Presidency, House, or Senate.

There's too many undecideds and other factors, but there's a fear that those vote margins in the battleground states will be obliterated by a wave among voters that have not received enough attention, and the Dems are too complacent with demographics and geography starting to work against them.

In the long run, and in midterms, a lot of this will even itself out, but 2024 can be a challenge.

The issue is that in the long run, it might not even itself out - there have been unprecedented attacks on voting rights, and democracy in general, over the past few years by those on the Right - imagine if they did win, what they could do in power with a more friendly SCOTUS to hinder minorities voting, etc.  We already know that those are their plans - and we see why Taylor Swift gets them all so riled up by simply trying to persuade people to vote more (*not even vote blue*)

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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5915 on: March 6, 2024, 05:12:04 pm »
Seriously, what the fuck are you talking about? He crawls? Lopes along on his clenched fists? Scoots around on his ass? Explain what you mean by "Biden can't even walk upright". Have you never seen him walk? Are you seriously saying that a man who we have all seen walk around upright cannot, in fact, walk upright? Is it CGI? Deepfake? Jesus fucking christ.
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There he is in the first fucking minute of the video, clearly walking upright, WHAT FUCKING SORCERY IS THIS?
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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5916 on: March 6, 2024, 05:53:23 pm »
The GOP are almost bankrupt. Trump is an ace away from taking control of the party apparatus and essentially diverting all its money into his legal costs. Their local parties are running out of money, and they could be struggling to finance campaigns come November.

My main worry is Trump allies purging voter rolls, and enacting draconian restrictions on voting.
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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5917 on: March 6, 2024, 06:31:05 pm »
What do people in USA think? Depressed at seeing these two again? Trump is going to win easily? Biden will hang on?
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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5918 on: March 6, 2024, 06:43:42 pm »
Biden has spinal arthritis.

Chump is a complete moron.

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Re: The state Of The States. How Has America Got To Now?
« Reply #5919 on: March 6, 2024, 06:45:56 pm »
Biden has spinal arthritis.

Chump is a complete moron.

Choose your poison.

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