Topic: Jordan Henderson*

[Red-Soldier]

Great stuff.  I wonder how bad he'd need to be that he would miss out on the Euros.  Being out of his depth in a second tier league isn't a great look.

I don't want to downplay what Hendo achieved with us but I wouldn't have wanted him in his current state/form coming on ahead of McConnell at the weekend.

A season too long, but, got there in the end.  Our midfield has been superb, since.

[HeartAndSoul]

Great stuff.  I wonder how bad he'd need to be that he would miss out on the Euros.  Being out of his depth in a second tier league isn't a great look.

I don't want to downplay what Hendo achieved with us but I wouldn't have wanted him in his current state/form coming on ahead of McConnell at the weekend.

100% agree. He’d have took the minutes the likes of Gravenberch, Clark and McConnell have benefited from. Him leaving has actually been a blessing in disguise in the fact that his legs were totally gone and had he been here, whether he was playing well or out of form, he’d have been coming on in most games like Milner was doing last season instead of giving these minutes to younger players.

[Persephone]

They've taken just 2 points from 4 games since signing him, having won 10 of their previous 12. Rafael van der Vaart went on Dutch TV and slagged him off 

What a blow to the ego this must be for Henderson the regime changer. 

[Fromola]

100% agree. He’d have took the minutes the likes of Gravenberch, Clark and McConnell have benefited from. Him leaving has actually been a blessing in disguise in the fact that his legs were totally gone and had he been here, whether he was playing well or out of form, he’d have been coming on in most games like Milner was doing last season instead of giving these minutes to younger players.

It's worked out for us. Would have still been a useful squad player but he wasn't interested in having his minutes managed and no longer up to starting regularly.

With Thiaho and Bajcetic injured all season then could have done with him or Milner around with all the games. Its given others opportunities though.

[Lee1-6Liv]

It's worked out for us. Would have still been a useful squad player but he wasn't interested in having his minutes managed and no longer up to starting regularly.

With Thiaho and Bajcetic injured all season then could have done with him or Milner around with all the games. Its given others opportunities though.

I miss Milner more than Henderson. Milner was a wiley old player who could put the boot in when needed but also come off the bench and kill a few minutes winning a cheeky freekick. Henderson was the opposite, I remember last season against Fulham at anfield, one nil in the final few minutes and he tried a stupid lob on goal, Fulham got the ball, went up the other end and very nearly scored an equaliser.

[Keith Lard]

Hendo tarnished his legacy with that move to Saudi and how he seemed to agitate for it.

But I think history will be a bit kinder to him once wounds have healed as I still believe he was a marvellous captain for us. But I've got to say I think Virgil is starting to show himself as a next level captain.

[Fromola]

I miss Milner more than Henderson. Milner was a wiley old player who could put the boot in when needed but also come off the bench and kill a few minutes winning a cheeky freekick. Henderson was the opposite, I remember last season against Fulham at anfield, one nil in the final few minutes and he tried a stupid lob on goal, Fulham got the ball, went up the other end and very nearly scored an equaliser.

Henderson's legs have gone but when it's got to the stage where you'd consider Jay Spearing for tomorrow's squad then he'd still be useful.

[Yorkykopite]

Henderson's legs have gone but when it's got to the stage where you'd consider Jay Spearing for tomorrow's squad then he'd still be useful.

That would have been an excellent use of financial resources. 28/2/24: "Hendo! Stop counting your money. Get your kit on. You're on the bench at last."

[Fromola]

That would have been an excellent use of financial resources. 28/2/24: "Hendo! Stop counting your money. Get your kit on. You're on the bench at last."

He wouldn't accept being on the bench anyway so it was the time he moved on. Although had we known Henderson was going we'd have kept Milner.

[Red Beret]

Just another past-it footballer who's ego got the better of him. Saudi batting their eyelashes at him like that made him think he was better than he was at a time where Jurgen was drying to give him an ice bucket of reality. But it turned out his new partner was little more than lipstick on a pig.

Now he's picking up the pieces and he has nobody in his corner to bat for him anymore. I'm not sure he has anything left to give. He should consider retiring to be honest.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

Henderson's legs have gone but when it's got to the stage where you'd consider Jay Spearing for tomorrow's squad then he'd still be useful.

"Could have done with Grujic and even Chirivella to tide us over this season."

[Knight]

We were perhaps blind to how bad he’d become a little bit because he was our captain and had achieved so much. But even in 21/22 he was a long way from the player he’d been. And by 22/23 he was just awful. I’m really surprised a European team has signed him.

[elbow]

Another interview in the Guardian, he's making out it was all the clubs discussion to let him go.

Still hurting. Bless.

[oojason]

Another interview in the Guardian, he's making out it was all the clubs discussion to let him go.

Still hurting. Bless.

Embarrassing near on every time he opens his mouth since his move to Saudi.

"Looking back in that period of time, looking back now, it is easy to see that it was the right decision made by the manager and the club."

^ He really is deluded if trying to re-write the history of his decision to leave LFC and go $port$wa$h for the Saudis and what followed (maybe it is just something he tells himself?).

www.theguardian.com/football/2024/mar/06/jordan-henderson-has-no-regrets-liverpool-exit-klopp-fairytale-end-ajax-aston-villa

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Funny how he always does an interview just before the international breaks, dying to not be forgotten, the reality is that he deserves to be nowhere near the squad, he can't start and he sure and shit isn't a difference maker off the bench.

End result will be Southgate giving him the armband 

[rossipersempre]

Funny how he always does an interview just before the international breaks, dying to not be forgotten

Completely transparent. By all accounts he won't even be in Amsterdam next season.

[paulrazor]

He says a lot of nice things in the interview

No foot in mouth stuff this time

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

He's not wrong that it was the right time to leave...

It's his destination that was the problem.

[Redley]

The guys a prick...but not sure there's much particularly controversial in that interview. Its pretty vanilla.

[Red Beret]

Embarrassing near on every time he opens his mouth since his move to Saudi.

"Looking back in that period of time, looking back now, it is easy to see that it was the right decision made by the manager and the club."

^ He really is deluded if trying to re-write the history of his decision to leave LFC and go $port$wa$h for the Saudis and what followed (maybe it is just something he tells himself?).

www.theguardian.com/football/2024/mar/06/jordan-henderson-has-no-regrets-liverpool-exit-klopp-fairytale-end-ajax-aston-villa

Looks like it just dawned on him that we got the better deal after he stabbed us in the back to force through his dream move. Perhaps his ego has finally caught up to the reality of his age?

[Persephone]

Looks like it just dawned on him that we got the better deal after he stabbed us in the back to force through his dream move. Perhaps his ego has finally caught up to the reality of his age?

Karma really kicked him in the nuts.

[Fromola]

Embarrassing near on every time he opens his mouth since his move to Saudi.

"Looking back in that period of time, looking back now, it is easy to see that it was the right decision made by the manager and the club."

^ He really is deluded if trying to re-write the history of his decision to leave LFC and go $port$wa$h for the Saudis and what followed (maybe it is just something he tells himself?).

www.theguardian.com/football/2024/mar/06/jordan-henderson-has-no-regrets-liverpool-exit-klopp-fairytale-end-ajax-aston-villa

Reality probably dawned on him that when you look through our injuries this season he'd still have played most of the games (and we probably wouldn't have signed Endo), but he saw his arse at being told he was going to have his minutes managed/not be first choice anymore.

[Party Phil]

Endo >>>>>>>>>>>> Hendo

[classycarra]

Endo >>>>>>>>>>>> Hendo

thats without even accounting for how much of a saving we made (at least 10 million henderson would've been paid to stink the joint out). so we've got a better performer/contributor whose salary must be under 50% of Henderson's too

[MrGrumpy]

Of all the players that have left Liverpool in recent years Hendersons decline has been the most dramatic. He would stuggle even in the usual retirement homes of MLS or A League.

[Bastion Of Invincibility]

Anyone notice how together and happy the squad seems without the experienced Henderson and Milner there to 'set the standards'? Its apparent how much players respect Van Dijk as the out-and-out leader, as compared to last season where we saw frequent dissent and unhappiness. I will never downplay Henderson's contributions to the team until 2022, but it's clear that his new contract really ruffled some feathers in the dressing room.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

Anyone notice how together and happy the squad seems without the experienced Henderson and Milner there to 'set the standards'? Its apparent how much players respect Van Dijk as the out-and-out leader, as compared to last season where we saw frequent dissent and unhappiness. I will never downplay Henderson's contributions to the team until 2022, but it's clear that his new contract really ruffled some feathers in the dressing room.

Henderson sets very high standards from his teammates - he was constantly barking at them during a game. That's all well and good when he himself was performing at a high level because others will have seen that, and respected that he was leading by example and just expected the same from everyone. A feeling of "I can't him let him down". However, when Henderson could no longer do what he expected of others, I can imagine that he and his shouting began to grate on teammates and maybe caused a few rifts.

All assumptions of course!

[Chris~]

Anyone notice how together and happy the squad seems without the experienced Henderson and Milner there to 'set the standards'? Its apparent how much players respect Van Dijk as the out-and-out leader, as compared to last season where we saw frequent dissent and unhappiness. I will never downplay Henderson's contributions to the team until 2022, but it's clear that his new contract really ruffled some feathers in the dressing room.

I mean surely more likely they were unhappy because we were shit?

[Fromola]

Anyone notice how together and happy the squad seems without the experienced Henderson and Milner there to 'set the standards'? Its apparent how much players respect Van Dijk as the out-and-out leader, as compared to last season where we saw frequent dissent and unhappiness. I will never downplay Henderson's contributions to the team until 2022, but it's clear that his new contract really ruffled some feathers in the dressing room.

To be fair to Henderson he was a great captain and set the standards along with Milner. He'd run himself into the ground. He also helped form a great team spirit in the dressing room, culminating in the CL win and the PL win. Gerrard led more by example as captain but there were always cliques in the dressing room, Henderson helped change that as captain, although Klopp would have demanded that anyway.

The issue was just last season that Henderson's legs were gone and after previously being the legs in midfield, there was nobody left who could even run. Therefore, Henderson could no longer set the example because he couldn't get about the pitch anymore and dropped off a cliff along with Fabinho at the same time.

Did the contract ruffle a few feathers? Possibly. Gini didn't get the deal he wanted, Mo's dragged on, Henderson issued all kinds of demands and got the deal he wanted with 2 years still to run.

[CornerFlag]

No regrets about leaving?

Saudi blood money cheque must have cleared...

[Jon2lfc]

Henderson sets very high standards from his teammates - he was constantly barking at them during a game. That's all well and good when he himself was performing at a high level because others will have seen that, and respected that he was leading by example and just expected the same from everyone. A feeling of "I can't him let him down". However, when Henderson could no longer do what he expected of others, I can imagine that he and his shouting began to grate on teammates and maybe caused a few rifts.

All assumptions of course!

Yeah this is one thing I always admired about Hendo. His constant shouting at the team as captain. That's not easy to do.
Firstly, you need to set the correct, high standard that you're demanding of others. And secondly, you need a bloody good set of lungs on you to play in midfield and constantly shout out orders. Plus you need to be super confident that what you're saying/shouting is exactly what needs to be done at that time. Otherwise you look stupid and no one would follow.

All the above only works if you're playing at a high standard.

[Red Beret]

Yeah this is one thing I always admired about Hendo. His constant shouting at the team as captain. That's not easy to do.
Firstly, you need to set the correct, high standard that you're demanding of others. And secondly, you need a bloody good set of lungs on you to play in midfield and constantly shout out orders. Plus you need to be super confident that what you're saying/shouting is exactly what needs to be done at that time. Otherwise you look stupid and no one would follow.

All the above only works if you're playing at a high standard.

Aye. Towards the end of Carra's career I seem to recall a number of Rawkites complaining about how much he was screaming at the players around him, when it was him making the mistakes. Pickford's another one - always giving his defenders the mouth when he bollocks up a save.

Shouting only works when you're playing to a high standard yourself. If your form drops off a cliff, all you're going to do is start pissing off your team mates.

[HeartAndSoul]

See he’s kept his place in the England team after lighting up the Dutch league

[classycarra]

See he’s kept his place in the England team after lighting up the Dutch league

he turned them from a team in form to a team that just won their first game in five hah. still, he ran a bit at the end of their last game, and featured on social media, so he's done his bit!

[Only Me]

Hahaha.

5-0 against West fucking Ham. How shit are they.

And he still plays for the coaching genius that is Southgate.

All he deserves.

[TheCunningScorpion]

Hahaha.

5-0 against West fucking Ham. How shit are they.

And he still plays for the coaching genius that is Southgate.

All he deserves.

When did he join Freiburg??  But yeah not a great night for him!

[End Product]

Hahaha.

5-0 against West fucking Ham. How shit are they.

And he still plays for the coaching genius that is Southgate.

All he deserves.

A David Cameron of a slip.

[classycarra]

seen the highlights just now - still doing his thing of blaming other players for his own deficiencies (no trent to blame it all on this time though). hiding behind villa players during build up from the back for the second goal, then tells the guy he wasnt giving an option to 'play it forward' lol. he's not a leader, leaders are comfortable taking responsibility

[Only Me]

A David Cameron of a slip.

Indeed 🤪

[thaddeus]

Hendo is a lucky boy to still being getting England call-ups.  I guess in a 23-man tournament squad there's room for one senior player that acts as a motivator for the younger lads.  I'm sure there was a nation that did alright at AFCON with their squad captain just acting like a cheerleader without playing a single minute.

The idea falls down a bit though if the players no longer revere Hemdo.  He surely carried some gravitas as the captain of a massively impressive Liverpool, less so now he's flopped in Saudi Arabia and is acting as a jynx for an underachieving Ajax side.