Author Topic: John Arne Riise... (Read 43519 times)

Sweet Silver Song · « **Reply #760 on:** August 13, 2007, 06:07:29 pm »

Quote from: Sarah B on August 13, 2007, 05:48:03 pm

Do shut up. If he didn't fancy him he wouldn't have even bothered trying him at right midfield and bringing a new dimension to his game. He obviously saw something. The fact that he stayed is down to Rafa getting the best out of him and the lad finally settling down and starting to work hard at his game.

i don't know why I'm wasting time correcting imbeciles on here. Rafa didn't fancy him, because he took one look at him after he arrived and signed a replacement. This was Rafa's first signing for the club. That suggests to me Rafa's first Impressions were he didn't think Finnan was up to the task. Finnan ended up playing right midfield because of the injury to Nunez. Rafa had NO alternatives. Finnan than started playing well. Whether that was down to what Finnan did for himself, or whether Rafa decided to get involved, I don't know. What the facts remain that Rafa didn't rate him when he arrived.

-HH- · « **Reply #761 on:** August 13, 2007, 06:10:42 pm »

Quote from: Kaizer on August 13, 2007, 05:18:48 pm

Exactly, first of all, Aurelio did not play that many matches,when he played he was mostly average, sometimes very poor and a few times pretty good.

But suddenly he is praised as the best LB in the league, it seems to me that people only remember the two-three good matches he played for us.

When he is back from injury I guess reality will strike back, its often like this, the injured players are great at least as long as they are injured and people don't get reminded on how they actually perform.

You do realise the poor performances were when he first joined, the decent ones came after that and the 3/4 good performances were in a row just before he got injured. It's called settling in.
When he put in those excellent performances he showed certain abilities that Riise has never shown since he's been here - even on form. The only area in which Riise excels above Aurelio is his stamina.

Sweet Silver Song · « **Reply #762 on:** August 13, 2007, 06:13:22 pm »

Quote from: -HH- on August 13, 2007, 06:10:42 pm

The only area in which Riise excels above Aurelio is his stamina.

Given how portly he's looking these days, I would even question that.

-HH- · « **Reply #763 on:** August 13, 2007, 06:23:56 pm »

Quote from: Sweet Silver Song on August 13, 2007, 06:13:22 pm

Given how portly he's looking these days, I would even question that.

Very possibly, but had to give Kaizer something

chris2006 · « **Reply #764 on:** August 13, 2007, 06:45:37 pm »

Quote from: shangtsung on August 13, 2007, 08:01:18 am

You know NOTHING about football if you believe Riise is class. You must be a shite footballer yourself too. Riise is technically inept, atrocious at times in fact. No awareness or composure in possession. He has a good shot and works hard. Let's sign Pedro fucking Mendes.

Because i like a player i cant play football? Come down and play with AC Park on a thursday night mate and we'll see. Or you too busy scoffin spring rolls?

The Infamous_LFC · « **Reply #765 on:** August 13, 2007, 07:11:04 pm »

Quote from: chris2006 on August 13, 2007, 06:45:37 pm

Because i like a player i cant play football? Come down and play with AC Park on a thursday night mate and we'll see. Or you too busy scoffin spring rolls?

ooooooooooooooh

Is that a challenge?

chris2006 · « **Reply #766 on:** August 13, 2007, 07:14:08 pm »

lol he's been invited more than once but comes up with the excuse about travelling.

But i'd be more than happy to show him up

shangtsung · « **Reply #767 on:** August 13, 2007, 07:22:52 pm »

I'm sure you would

chris2006 · « **Reply #768 on:** August 13, 2007, 07:25:45 pm »

lol Come down mate seriously

The Infamous_LFC · « **Reply #769 on:** August 13, 2007, 07:30:10 pm »

He is from Lahndan the trip is too far

petrus · « **Reply #770 on:** August 13, 2007, 07:46:24 pm »

Buy N.Shorey from Reading. Top class left back

The Infamous_LFC · « **Reply #771 on:** August 13, 2007, 07:50:17 pm »

Quote from: petrus on August 13, 2007, 07:46:24 pm

Buy N.Shorey from Reading. Top class left back

Mr.Shorey we don't want you for the thousandth time

BigV · « **Reply #772 on:** August 13, 2007, 08:00:55 pm »

It's not true that Riise is flavour of the month whipping boy, plenty of fans who have been saying the same thing for years about him. He hasn't just lost something, it's something he's never had, he's never been technically good enough and it has a significantly negative effect on our style of play.

At the same time, nobody is saying Aurelio is the best left-back in the league, but when you watch him play, you actually see somebody is at ease in possession, can knock the ball around and is also positive when he hasn't got the ball which most of our players are not (to be fair to Riise he's one of our better ones when he plays in midfield but not at full-back). The problem with him is his injuries and whether he can fully adapt to the Premiership.

For us to step it up in the league, we need to have true footballers on the pitch, the only player I think we can afford to have who isn't great on the ball is Carragher. The full-backs need to be able to keep the ball calmly at the back and in our build-up play, and get in behind the opposition full-backs and create chances off the ball.

Ron · « **Reply #773 on:** August 13, 2007, 08:05:15 pm »

Anyone who makes a Manc leave in an ambulance just by shooting a ball is a hero of mine

Bob Loblaw · « **Reply #774 on:** August 13, 2007, 09:56:48 pm »

Quote from: BigV on August 13, 2007, 08:00:55 pm

It's not true that Riise is flavour of the month whipping boy, plenty of fans who have been saying the same thing for years about him. He hasn't just lost something, it's something he's never had, he's never been technically good enough and it has a significantly negative effect on our style of play.

What do you think Finnan offers to our style of play?

litmanen37 · « **Reply #775 on:** August 13, 2007, 09:58:57 pm »

Quote from: Bob Loblaw on August 13, 2007, 09:56:48 pm

What do you think Finnan offers to our style of play?

contributes towards one of the (if not the) best defensive unit in the premiership for the last 2-3 yrs (and europe for that matter)

who would you replace him with exactly?

Bob Loblaw · « **Reply #776 on:** August 13, 2007, 10:03:14 pm »

Quote from: litmanen37 on August 13, 2007, 09:58:57 pm

contributes towards one of the (if not the) best defensive unit in the premiership for the last 2-3 yrs (and europe for that matter)

who would you replace him with exactly?

And Riise doesn't or hasn't. Remember Riise has been just as much a part of that defence and imo offers more going forward from full back then Finnan does. I'm happy with both, just don't get why John gets so much stick.

litmanen37 · « **Reply #777 on:** August 13, 2007, 10:04:11 pm »

Quote from: Bob Loblaw on August 13, 2007, 10:03:14 pm

And Riise doesn't or hasn't. Remember Riise has been just as much a part of that defence and imo offers more going forward from full back then Finnan does. I'm happy with both, just don't get why John gets so much stick.

fair enough mate, i havent had a go at riise - i just thought you were having a pop at finnan - and i agree - both have contributed

BigV · « **Reply #778 on:** August 13, 2007, 11:24:36 pm »

Quote from: Bob Loblaw on August 13, 2007, 09:56:48 pm

What do you think Finnan offers to our style of play?

Finnan is a much better crosser of the ball, he supports his winger well and he's more careful with the ball in deep positions.

barbudo · « **Reply #779 on:** August 13, 2007, 11:49:46 pm »

Quote from: azer on August 13, 2007, 03:53:39 pm

what idiot said aurelio was better than riise??

There isnt a better left back in the PL at the moment, he has been doing it week in week out for a good few seasons.
Can anyone name a better, more consistent left back over the last 3-4 years?

I'm the idiot in question, but my inability to appreciate Riise's talents at LB is likely a product of watching left backs only since the days of Gerry Byrne. I'll bow to your greater experience. As to whether Aurelio is a better choice at the position, I suggest that you watch the Arsenal games in the PL last year. Both Riise and Aurelio were up against Hleb. Count the tackles and close-downs. Not a perfect test, I'll admit, given that Riise was playing at the Emirates, but it does demonstrate the obvious weaknesses in Riise's game at LB when he's one-on-one with an attacker.

And as to who is a better LB in the PL than Riise, I'd say, on current form, almost anybody.

Kaizer · « **Reply #780 on:** August 13, 2007, 11:53:11 pm »

Quote from: Bob Loblaw on August 13, 2007, 10:03:14 pm

And Riise doesn't or hasn't. Remember Riise has been just as much a part of that defence and imo offers more going forward from full back then Finnan does. I'm happy with both, just don't get why John gets so much stick.

Riise offers more to the defence than Finnan does, with Hyypia out he is our best defensive header of the ball.

Sweet Silver Song · « **Reply #781 on:** August 13, 2007, 11:53:54 pm »

Quote from: barbudo on August 13, 2007, 11:49:46 pm

And as to who is a better LB in the PL than Riise, I'd say, on current form, almost anybody.

That's a bit harsh. the left back at Derby hasn't impressed me.

litmanen37 · « **Reply #782 on:** August 13, 2007, 11:55:24 pm »

Quote from: Sweet Silver Song on August 13, 2007, 11:53:54 pm

That's a bit harsh. the left back at Derby hasn't impressed me.

whats his name again?

grimreaper · « **Reply #783 on:** August 14, 2007, 12:02:33 am »

Quote from: litmanen37 on August 13, 2007, 11:55:24 pm

whats his name again?

James McEveley, born in Liverpool as well , not a bad player imo

RigBon1892 · « **Reply #784 on:** August 14, 2007, 12:45:14 am »

Quote from: Kaizer on August 13, 2007, 11:53:11 pm

Riise offers more to the defence than Finnan does, with Hyypia out he is our best defensive header of the ball.

Oh really? Funny cos I dont remember Man U running in and trying to hijack our bid for Riise, but I do with Finnan, An entire season after Finnan had been voted one of the best defenders in the Prem by his fellow pros...

Kaizer · « **Reply #785 on:** August 14, 2007, 12:47:51 am »

Quote from: jeffiner1892 on August 14, 2007, 12:45:14 am

Oh really? Funny cos I dont remember Man U running in and trying to hijack our bid for Riise, but I do with Finnan, An entire season after Finnan had been voted one of the best defenders in the Prem by his fellow pros...

What kind of fucked up argument is that, I dont remember us trying to bid for Ronaldinho when he went from PSG either, I guess he must be shite then?

Bob Loblaw · « **Reply #786 on:** August 14, 2007, 12:49:52 am »

Quote from: Kaizer on August 13, 2007, 11:53:11 pm

Riise offers more to the defence than Finnan does.

He does not. Stop being ridiculous. If you want to stick up for Riise, at least be sensible in your argument.

RigBon1892 · « **Reply #787 on:** August 14, 2007, 12:50:04 am »

Its about as fucked up as you trying to defend JAR by slagging JP, Finnan etc...

What next youre gonna say Crouch was poor on Saturday??

Kaizer · « **Reply #788 on:** August 14, 2007, 12:52:19 am »

Quote from: jeffiner1892 on August 14, 2007, 12:50:04 am

Its about as fucked up as you trying to defend JAR by slagging JP, Finnan etc...

What next youre gonna say Crouch was poor on Saturday??

No Saturday was one of Crouch better games to be honest.

stevenl · « **Reply #789 on:** August 14, 2007, 01:01:24 am »

Finnan is twice the player of Riise.

billypilgrimnz · « **Reply #790 on:** August 14, 2007, 01:16:18 am »

Quote from: Kaizer on August 13, 2007, 05:18:48 pm

But suddenly he is praised as the best LB in the league..........

And now you are on to giant strawman arguments - you are really bad at this debate thing, aren't you?

billypilgrimnz · « **Reply #791 on:** August 14, 2007, 01:18:18 am »

Quote from: Kaizer on August 13, 2007, 11:53:11 pm

Riise offers more to the defence than Finnan does, with Hyypia out he is our best defensive header of the ball.

Oh God.

Did Riise win a single header on Saturday? He was noticeably crap in that aspect Saturday, though to be fair, our whole team lost out a lot at headers.

billypilgrimnz · « **Reply #792 on:** August 14, 2007, 01:27:40 am »

Riise in a nutshell:

- good shot, if wasteful
- good stamina
- likes to get into the box
- fatally one-footed
- hoofs it too often from left back
- can't beat a man except with that patented kick it past him and sprint
- related to this, finds it difficult to find space for himself in tight situations
- decent tackler
- decent heading
- good on the overlap from left back
- inconsistent in positioning at the back
- poor decision making when on attack

In sum:

- passable at left-back - I'm never worried if he is in the team there. He's fine
- simply horrible as a winger

Phil M · « **Reply #793 on:** August 14, 2007, 01:31:13 am »

Quote from: billypilgrimnz on August 14, 2007, 01:27:40 am

Riise in a nutshell:

- fatally one-footed
- related to this, finds it difficult to find space for himself in tight situations
- poor decision making when on attack

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7VuLhe7qvQ

mikek1984 · « **Reply #794 on:** August 14, 2007, 01:32:11 am »

go to bed phil

Phil M · « **Reply #795 on:** August 14, 2007, 01:34:05 am »

Quote from: mikek1984 on August 14, 2007, 01:32:11 am

go to bed phil

I'm lonely...

mikek1984 · « **Reply #796 on:** August 14, 2007, 01:35:40 am »

dont worry, tomorrow il start the league so that can waste some time

Spanish Fan · « **Reply #797 on:** August 14, 2007, 01:36:18 am »

Quote from: billypilgrimnz on August 14, 2007, 01:18:18 am

Oh God.

Did Riise win a single header on Saturday? He was noticeably crap in that aspect Saturday, though to be fair, our whole team lost out a lot at headers.

Disagree. He won most of the headers against Gardner. Riise is very good in the air for a full back, certainly better than his other three partners in their position.

Phil M · « **Reply #798 on:** August 14, 2007, 01:43:04 am »

Quote from: Spanish Fan on August 14, 2007, 01:36:18 am

Disagree. He won most of the headers against Gardner. Riise is very good in the air for a full back, certainly better than his other three partners in their position.

Now we're just getting silly..

Spanish Fan · « **Reply #799 on:** August 14, 2007, 02:09:34 am »

Quote from: Phil M on August 14, 2007, 01:43:04 am

Now we're just getting silly..

About 184 cms and with the highest vertical leap of the back four. I don't see many wide players getting the best of him in the air. In fact they normally target Finnan with high balls. Agger and Carra are good in the air but not exceptionally good. Riise for a full back there isn't many better around in the air.