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[west_london_red]

Yeah, I get that. But as the virus evolves, then surely the vaccines have to follow?

They are working on updates vaccines I believe, but they will need to be tested too which takes time and effort. Also I think there is a thought that it’s preferred to try and keep vaccines close to the original virus as that’s the ‘parent’ for want of a better phrase and it’s child variants will share some properties with it. If they make an updated vaccine too variant specific other variants may evade it, but I would assume if Omicron displaces all other variants any future variants will be closely related to it and susceptible to an omicron specific vaccine.

[Millie]

Mum is out of hospital, which is brilliant.  So relieved she didn't contract covid on top of the pneumonia she already had.  Just so glad she is home for Christmas.

[jillcwhomever]

Mum is out of hospital, which is brilliant.  So relieved she didn't contract covid on top of the pneumonia she already had.  Just so glad she is home for Christmas.

Aww, that's great news hope you both have a lovely Christmas. 

[John C]

Good to hear that Ang, must be a releif.

[filopastry]

The question everyone should ask themselves is do you take this number and ignore reports like Imperial’s yesterday that said a more modest 10-30% reduction?

Because they are both an analysis of pretty much identical datasets.

It's still relatively early days but form others looking at the numbers the 50-70% feels like it passes the smell test a bit better than 10-30%, numbers will firm up soon enough hopefully, although maybe some disruption from the reporting black hole we are about to enter

[Millie]

Good to hear that Ang, must be a releif.

It is, huge relief.  And thanks Jill.

[djahern]

It's still relatively early days but form others looking at the numbers the 50-70% feels like it passes the smell test a bit better than 10-30%, numbers will firm up soon enough hopefully, although maybe some disruption from the reporting black hole we are about to enter

Yea it’s going to be allover the place for the next week or ten days which isn’t ideal. Though good people can take a break from numbers for a few days.

I think I’m leaning toward the high end of imperial’s - around 30% reduction, maybe a little more. We’re at around 10% of infections being reinfections at the moment - though those that are reinfections aren’t included in the daily totals (will be from January). A reinfection though is one that has had a documented positive PCR previously. I guess the difference comes down to what number of today’s 120k reported infections for example are actually reinfections even though they aren’t considered one by the metric of the person having to have a documented positive PCR previously. I still think that number is fairly high. If that 120k today is actually 25% reinfection, then the comparative number to delta for determine risk of hospitalisation is 90k infections rather than 120k for example. When we were at 80k infections the comparative number to delta was 60k.

I think we’ll get a better handle on it pretty soon.

[filopastry]

The fear I have now that the message is apparently out there that Omicron is "mild", and also with Christmas out of the way soon, will people start to reverse some of the behavioural changes they have made which have helped to slow the spread of the virus.

[Crosby Nick]

Mum is out of hospital, which is brilliant.  So relieved she didn't contract covid on top of the pneumonia she already had.  Just so glad she is home for Christmas.

That’s great. Happy Christmas!

[Commie Bobbie]

Mum is out of hospital, which is brilliant.  So relieved she didn't contract covid on top of the pneumonia she already had.  Just so glad she is home for Christmas.

Superb news, Felix Navidad!

[rafathegaffa83]

Does the UK have a policy on incoming travellers who have been vaccinated with three different vaccine types? A friend of mine may need to go back to UK, but 1st dose was AZ, 2nd was Pfizer and booster was Moderna.

[Red-Soldier]

At some point we've got to break the cycle of perpetual vaccinations because it's absolutely draining resources. Maybe the government seperate it and it becomes it's own thing but this is becoming a bit nuts and I am very pro vaccine. I've had all 3, but I wouldn't have another for at least a year I don't think.

I agree.  I don't intend on having another one for at least a year.

I have an annual flu jab, so I may have a Covid one yearly too.

[CraigDS]

I agree.  I don't intend on having another one for at least a year.

I have an annual flu jab, so I may have a Covid one yearly too.

I mean surely it would make sense to do, you know, what the Doctors and scientists think is best rather thank weirdly thinking because the flu jab is yearly it some how means the covid one should be from now on?

[Elmo!]

I agree.  I don't intend on having another one for at least a year.

I have an annual flu jab, so I may have a Covid one yearly too.

I had a measles jab when I was a kid, so I don't see why I should have to take more than one Covid jab.

[Red-Soldier]

I mean surely it would make sense to do, you know, what the Doctors and scientists think is best rather thank weirdly thinking because the flu jab is yearly it some how means the covid one should be from now on?

Obviously, things change.  But, the original advice was to wait at least 6 months after your second dose.  Omicron has been shown to be milder, so, unless there's a new, stronger variant, a single jab in the winter months (when you're more likely to catch it, and when there's more strain on the health services) seems logical.

[Red-Soldier]

I had a measles jab when I was a kid, so I don't see why I should have to take more than one Covid jab.

No you're just being a dick...........

Flu jabs are annual, I didn't mention measles, so whyy bring it up?

[Elmo!]

No you're just being a dick...........

Flu jabs are annual, I didn't mention measles, so whyy bring it up?

I was just making the point that the amount you need to take a jab for one thing isn't related to the amount you need to take a jab for another thing.

[PaulF]

Obviously, things change.  But, the original advice was to wait at least 6 months after your second dose.  Omicron has been shown to be milder, so, unless there's a new, stronger variant, a single jab in the winter months (when you're more likely to catch it, and when there's more strain on the health services) seems logical.

Why would you not have one every three months?

[Son of Spion]

Mum is out of hospital, which is brilliant.  So relieved she didn't contract covid on top of the pneumonia she already had.  Just so glad she is home for Christmas.

Great news. All the best. 

[CraigDS]

Why would you not have one every three months?

Because the flu isn’t every 3 months...

[Port_vale_lad]

Met my 1st proper covid looney today, a lad i used to work with years ago, told me that the chinese are behind the pandemic and i am no longer allowed to have a chinese takeaway anymore because they will be in on as well and all jabs and prawn crackers are full of nanobots.

You know you are in for a fun conversation when the opening line is "fucking hell, how are we matey? you had the poison jabs?"

[CraigDS]

Prawn crackers full of nanobots 

[Guz-kop]

Surely they'd put them in the chopsticks

[stoa]

Why wouldn't you want Nanobots? In the movies they always repair bodies from the inside. I'm half Asian anyway, so I could live with Nanobots adding a bit Chinese, if it means I'm good for another 80 years from now...

[PaulF]

Because the flu isn’t every 3 months...

It's a serious question.
I guess it's no different to a lot of proper that didn't have the jab before. I know I'm lucky that work would have paid for it, but even if I had to shell out the tenner I'd do it simply to avoid feeling really shit for a few days. Even if it were a one in ten chance of getting the flu if consider it money well spent.
Just curious why if it was free ( well already paid for by taxes) why would you not have it? I guess if it leaves you feeling shitty for a couple of days and covid is unlikely to affect you it might be rational to not bother.

[PaulF]

Why wouldn't you want Nanobots? In the movies they always repair bodies from the inside. I'm half Asian anyway, so I could live with Nanobots adding a bit Chinese, if it means I'm good for another 80 years from now...

When will they invent the nanobot to exterminate nits!

[Wabaloolah]

Here's the link.

https://www.gov.uk/order-coronavirus-rapid-lateral-flow-tests

cheers Jill, I guess it's pot luck which ones you get then as the ones I have received from there are the nose and throat ones

[Crosby Nick]

Prawn crackers full of nanobots 

Not full enough. They never fill you up.

[djahern]

Obviously, things change.  But, the original advice was to wait at least 6 months after your second dose.  Omicron has been shown to be milder, so, unless there's a new, stronger variant, a single jab in the winter months (when you're more likely to catch it, and when there's more strain on the health services) seems logical.

Not wanting to be an arse, but the bold bit comes from the same report as the data that sparked your reply. Cherry picking one piece of information while ignoring another - in the same report - doesn’t seem logical to me?

[LiamG]

Quick question

My mum has had a pcr come back positive this morning and my dad has done two lateral flows both positive too

I was with them both last night for a short while but I had covid the end of November what’s the deal with re-infection? Aren’t I immune for 3 months?

[thejbs]

Quick question

My mum has had a pcr come back positive this morning and my dad has done two lateral flows both positive too

I was with them both last night for a short while but I had covid the end of November what’s the deal with re-infection? Aren’t I immune for 3 months?

Not definitely, but most likely. 3months to 5 years are the estimates. My mate was the same as you. Managed to be in the same household as 3 infected people for a week but wasn’t reinfected after having it two months earlier.

[Red-Soldier]

Here's a fella that works for a company called Pfizer - not sure what they do, but he seems to think annual vaccines are likely..........

Pfizer boss: Annual Covid jabs for years to come

People will be likely to need to have annual Covid vaccinations for many years to come, the head of Pfizer has told the BBC

Dr Albert Bourla said he thought this would be needed to maintain a "very high level of protection".

The UK has now secured an extra 114 million doses of Pfizer and Moderna vaccines to be delivered over the next two years.

A year ago the UK was the first country to approve the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59488848?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=KARANGA

[Red-Soldier]

Not wanting to be an arse, but the bold bit comes from the same report as the data that sparked your reply. Cherry picking one piece of information while ignoring another - in the same report - doesn’t seem logical to me?

Not sure which report you're talking about, I haven't quoted from anything...?

It was a response to a post questioning why we wouldn't need annual vaccinations, and I suggested we would.

The Pfizer boss seems to agree with me:

Pfizer boss: Annual Covid jabs for years to come

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59488848?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=KARANGA

[PaulF]

So it's a covid Christmas from my household. Oddly, mrs F shows -ve on LFT but +ve on PCR.
The rest of us started with a faint line one day then a big fat one the next day. 
Mrs F is asymptomatic, the rest of us have winter colds symptoms.

[UntouchableLuis]

Honestly feels like 1/2 people now have covid. I reckon if everyone tested right now for it it would be a staggering amount of people...

Really hoping this ends up as a positive and we have a great immunity from it whatever variant comes around.

[TepidT2O]

Honestly feels like 1/2 people now have covid. I reckon if everyone tested right now for it it would be a staggering amount of people...

Really hoping this ends up as a positive and we have a great immunity from it whatever variant comes around.

Half of all people with a ‘cold’ have omicron… let’s hope that the final destination of this bloody awful disease.

[Elmo!]

Not sure which report you're talking about, I haven't quoted from anything...?

It was a response to a post questioning why we wouldn't need annual vaccinations, and I suggested we would.

The Pfizer boss seems to agree with me:

Pfizer boss: Annual Covid jabs for years to come

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59488848?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=KARANGA

That's fair enough if that turns out to be the case. Sorry I was just being pedantic about your logic which read to me - and apologies if I misunderstood - that if a year is fine for the flu, it must be fine for Covid.

[rob1966]

Half of all people with a ‘cold’ have omicron… let’s hope that the final destination of this bloody awful disease.

Does feel like we're coming out of the dark at last.

[So… Howard Philips]

Does feel like we're coming out of the dark at last.

Feel a bit more optimistic but we should have a better idea at the end of January - and the days will be longer by then as well.

[CraigDS]

Here's a fella that works for a company called Pfizer - not sure what they do, but he seems to think annual vaccines are likely..........

Pfizer boss: Annual Covid jabs for years to come

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59488848?at_medium=RSS&at_campaign=KARANGA

Little difference is he’s in about at some time in the future. You said you’re not having another one again for a year.

So unless you’ve a quote from the fella saying this last one is the last you’ll need and it’s now a yearly vaccine then that quote is quite meaningless.