Author Topic: Capello to leave?! (Read 15272 times)

Pride-Of-The-Midlands · « **Reply #240 on:** October 13, 2011, 11:05:57 PM »

Quote from: The 5th Benitle on October 13, 2011, 11:03:06 PM

Ah, thought he was just putting the ones he rated in bold. If that's the reason, fair enough I guess. Though having an English manager for the sake of it is pretty ridiculous to be honest.

Tbf though, having a Welsh manager is not as bad as having an Italian manager who can't speak English.

CHOPPER · « **Reply #241 on:** October 13, 2011, 11:07:21 PM »

Quote from: Pride-Of-The-Midlands on October 13, 2011, 11:05:57 PM

Tbf though, having a Welsh manager is not as bad as having an Italian manager who can't speak English.

What about a Welsh manager who can't speak Welsh?

Juan Loco · « **Reply #242 on:** October 13, 2011, 11:08:20 PM »

Quote from: The 5th Benitle on October 13, 2011, 11:03:06 PM

Ah, thought he was just putting the ones he rated in bold. If that's the reason, fair enough I guess. Though having an English manager for the sake of it is pretty ridiculous to be honest.

I actually agree with him on the English manager bit to be fair.

I'd hate teams having to have a manager from their own country, 'cos I think it would've really damanged teams from Africa, Asia and Australia over the last decade (and the gulf the one before) but any team who wants to be considered a top tier international side should have a manager from their own country.

Hazell · « **Reply #243 on:** October 13, 2011, 11:09:10 PM »

Quote from: Pride-Of-The-Midlands on October 13, 2011, 11:01:44 PM

Thing is you could win the FA Cup.

Euros/World Cup is basically a cup competition.

Are Blues good enough to win the Carling Cup?

Are they good enough to beat Arsenal in the final?

That's not an apt comparison. The likes of Man Utd/Arsenal/Man City/Chelsea have other competitions to contend with and throughout the season teams will focus on specific competitions. This summer, all teams will be focused on the European Championships and will be at full strength. The tournament is concentrated within a 3 week period. You can't make that comparison.

Pride-Of-The-Midlands · « **Reply #244 on:** October 13, 2011, 11:10:22 PM »

Quote from: 1021 on October 13, 2011, 11:04:14 PM

I was going to make an argument that if you were offer Pep Guardiola, Jose Mourinho, Guss Hiddink tomorrow would you reject it on the grounds that they are not English. But then I remembered that you already had Fabio Capello and would rather replace him with Neil Warnock.

Yes absolutely.

Big Sam or Mourinho?

Big Sam every day of the week.

The thing is Mourinho agrees with me:

Quote from: Jose Mourinho

I think national teams are: England for the English and Portugal for the Portuguese.
I will one day play against England with my Portugal but Portugal has to wait a long time.

And so does Wenger:

Quote from: Arsene Wenger

No. For a big country you need a manager from the same country. England created the game. I remember Sven-Göran Eriksson playing against Sweden with England. The national anthem is played and what do you do?[Wry smile]. That shows you’re not completely comfortable. If I’m England manager and I play France which anthem do I sing? I manage in England and I hope I can help English football but the national team should be managed by an English guy.

Juan Loco · « **Reply #245 on:** October 13, 2011, 11:10:31 PM »

Quote from: CHOPPER on October 13, 2011, 11:07:21 PM

What about a Welsh manager who can't speak Welsh?

"Long diagonal" actually originates from the welsh phrase "Ngoll y Ddyagnoll" which means "Sport of the clan of Allardyce".

The 5th Benitle · « **Reply #246 on:** October 13, 2011, 11:10:38 PM »

Quote from: Juan Loco on October 13, 2011, 11:08:20 PM

I actually agree with him on the English manager bit to be fair.

I do get it, but when your list of candidates includes the likes of Keegan, Curbishley, Hodgson, Redknapp, Allardyce and McLaren in recent years, it's no surprise they look elsewhere.

Pride-Of-The-Midlands · « **Reply #247 on:** October 13, 2011, 11:11:56 PM »

Quote from: Hazell on October 13, 2011, 11:09:10 PM

That's not an apt comparison. The likes of Man Utd/Arsenal/Man City/Chelsea have other competitions to contend with and throughout the season teams will focus on specific competitions. This summer, all teams will be focused on the European Championships and will be at full strength. The tournament is concentrated within a 3 week period. You can't make that comparison.

Inter Milan vs Bayern Munich CL final in 2010?

You wouldn't have predicted it.

But you could believe it.

KennyDaggers · « **Reply #248 on:** October 13, 2011, 11:12:04 PM »

Capello's mismanagement has been a disgrace!!

Get rid of the greedy bas*ard!!!!

Pride of the Midlands is spot on with what he says. Under a manager such as whisky nose this England team could be 2nd only to Spain in the world, there players are good enough.

Holland for example, the 1st or 2nd best nation in the world have players like Heitinga and Kuyt in there 1st 11. Both of whom are well known to us, 1 is shite, 1 is hardworking but limited and neither would get near the England team. In fact both aren't 1st choice at there clubs because of English players who can't get in there national sides.

1021 · « **Reply #249 on:** October 13, 2011, 11:13:33 PM »

Quote from: The 5th Benitle on October 13, 2011, 11:10:38 PM

I do get it, but when your list of candidates includes the likes of Keegan, Curbishley, Hodgson, Redknapp, Allardyce and McLaren in recent years, it's no surprise they look elsewhere.

Absolutely, I do agree with the idea that national teams should be ideally managed by their fellow countrymen but there is actually no logical reason why England would look closer to home. Last time they did, they didn't qualify. And if they needed an Englishman tomorrow it could well be Stuart Pearce. English football management is woeful and that I have just read Alladyce over Mourinho in any context is highly embarrasing.

Pride-Of-The-Midlands · « **Reply #250 on:** October 13, 2011, 11:15:03 PM »

Quote from: 1021 on October 13, 2011, 11:13:33 PM

Absolutely, I do agree with the idea that national teams should be ideally managed by their fellow countrymen but there is actually no logical reason why England would look closer to home. Last time they did, they didn't qualify. And if they needed an Englishman tomorrow it could well be Stuart Pearce. English football management is woeful and that I have just read Alladyce over Mourinho in any context is highly embarrasing.

If Harry can get Spurs to the CL 1/4 final then he could get England to the World Cup final.

1021 · « **Reply #251 on:** October 13, 2011, 11:15:06 PM »

Quote from: KennyDaggers on October 13, 2011, 11:12:04 PM

Capello's mismanagement has been a disgrace!!

Get rid of the greedy bas*ard!!!!

Pride of the Midlands is spot on with what he says. Under a manager such as whisky nose this England team could be 2nd only to Spain in the world, there players are good enough.

Holland for example, the 1st or 2nd best nation in the world have players like Heitinga and Kuyt in there 1st 11. Both of whom are well known to us, 1 is shite, 1 is hardworking but limited and neither would get near the England team. In fact both aren't 1st choice at there clubs because of English players who can't get in there national sides.

Hate to break it to you but Ferguson is Scottish. And that Capello cannot get anything out of the side is an indictment on the quality of players not the management. The Dutch are better than you, fact.

1021 · « **Reply #252 on:** October 13, 2011, 11:15:24 PM »

Quote from: Pride-Of-The-Midlands on October 13, 2011, 11:15:03 PM

If Harry can get Spurs to the CL 1/4 final then he could get England to the World Cup final.

The 5th Benitle · « **Reply #253 on:** October 13, 2011, 11:15:38 PM »

Quote from: Pride-Of-The-Midlands on October 13, 2011, 11:15:03 PM

If Harry can get Spurs to the CL 1/4 final then he could get England to the World Cup final.

There is literally not even one iota of logic in that statement.

Pride-Of-The-Midlands · « **Reply #254 on:** October 13, 2011, 11:16:02 PM »

Quote from: 1021 on October 13, 2011, 11:15:06 PM

Hate to break it to you but Ferguson is Scottish. And that Capello cannot get anything out of the side is an indictment on the quality of players not the management. The Dutch are better than you, fact.

Who do you support?

1021 · « **Reply #255 on:** October 13, 2011, 11:16:39 PM »

Quote from: Pride-Of-The-Midlands on October 13, 2011, 11:16:02 PM

Who do you support?

Liverpool.

Mouth · « **Reply #256 on:** October 13, 2011, 11:20:12 PM »

Fucking hell its like Rizla and Swedenred all over again.

TheKid. · « **Reply #257 on:** October 13, 2011, 11:20:59 PM »

It's actually worse!

Pride-Of-The-Midlands · « **Reply #258 on:** October 13, 2011, 11:21:49 PM »

Quote from: 1021 on October 13, 2011, 11:16:39 PM

Liverpool.

In international football.

KennyDaggers · « **Reply #259 on:** October 13, 2011, 11:22:30 PM »

Quote from: 1021 on October 13, 2011, 11:15:06 PM

Hate to break it to you but Ferguson is Scottish. And that Capello cannot get anything out of the side is an indictment on the quality of players not the management. The Dutch are better than you, fact.

When did this happen?.

Capello's Italian isn't he?? Since when did nationality matter. Ferguson is the best manager in the world IMO and he has a knowledge of English football hence why his name was used.

The Dutch are better than us despite having inferior players. A good manager such as the Scottish piss head could easily get England to a level beyond the Dutch.

Hazell · « **Reply #260 on:** October 13, 2011, 11:23:16 PM »

Quote from: Pride-Of-The-Midlands on October 13, 2011, 11:11:56 PM

Inter Milan vs Bayern Munich CL final in 2010?

You wouldn't have predicted it.

But you could believe it.

? But I don't believe England have much of a chance next summer.

1021 · « **Reply #261 on:** October 13, 2011, 11:26:03 PM »

Quote from: Pride-Of-The-Midlands on October 13, 2011, 11:21:49 PM

In international football.

No one. I like the Republic of Ireland to do well, but I was born in Liverpool.

Pride-Of-The-Midlands · « **Reply #262 on:** October 13, 2011, 11:27:14 PM »

Quote from: Hazell on October 13, 2011, 11:23:16 PM

? But I don't believe England have much of a chance next summer.

Did you believe Inter had much of a chance?

No.

They hadn't got to the final since 1972.

Yet they went and won it.

We could do the same.

Pride-Of-The-Midlands · « **Reply #263 on:** October 13, 2011, 11:27:31 PM »

Quote from: 1021 on October 13, 2011, 11:26:03 PM

No one. I like the Republic of Ireland to do well, but I was born in Liverpool.

So you are English?

1021 · « **Reply #264 on:** October 13, 2011, 11:27:36 PM »

Quote from: KennyDaggers on October 13, 2011, 11:22:30 PM

When did this happen?.

Capello's Italian isn't he?? Since when did nationality matter. Ferguson is the best manager in the world IMO and he has a knowledge of English football hence why his name was used.

The Dutch are better than us despite having inferior players. A good manager such as the Scottish piss head could easily get England to a level beyond the Dutch.

I would argue strongly against the notion that the Dutch have 'inferior players'.
And the debate in here has descended into literally anyone English over Capello.

1021 · « **Reply #265 on:** October 13, 2011, 11:29:46 PM »

Quote from: Pride-Of-The-Midlands on October 13, 2011, 11:27:14 PM

Did you believe Inter had much of a chance?

No.

They hadn't got to the final since 1972.

Yet they went and won it.

We could do the same.

They were managed by Jose Mourinho and had many world class footballers, and excellent defence and a quality goalkeeper.
They were also coming off the back of four successive league titles.

Hazell · « **Reply #266 on:** October 13, 2011, 11:30:47 PM »

Quote from: Pride-Of-The-Midlands on October 13, 2011, 11:27:14 PM

Did you believe Inter had much of a chance?

No.

They hadn't got to the final since 1972.

Yet they went and won it.

We could do the same.

I believed they had more of a chance than England do next year. You're right of course, you could win it, I just think it's unlikely and there are a number of teams with a better chance than yourselves. That's football right? Anything can happen. Greece won the thing in 2004.