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Re: Capello to leave?!
« Reply #280 on: October 14, 2011, 01:35:12 am »
If Harry can get Spurs to the CL 1/4 final then he could get England to the World Cup final.

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Re: Capello to leave?!
« Reply #281 on: October 14, 2011, 01:48:26 am »
That's signature worthy material and I don't care that 1021 beat me to it.

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Re: Capello to leave?!
« Reply #282 on: October 14, 2011, 02:00:29 am »
I would've left years ago.

And walk away from £6,000,000 a year?

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Re: Capello to leave?!
« Reply #283 on: October 14, 2011, 02:28:15 am »
Sooner the better in my opinion.

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Re: Capello to leave?!
« Reply #284 on: October 14, 2011, 02:43:05 am »
Sooner the better in my opinion.

Why?

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Re: Capello to leave?!
« Reply #285 on: October 14, 2011, 02:49:18 am »
Fucking hell, the level of idiocy in this thread is beyond belief. The quote about Redknapp was comedy gold.

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Re: Capello to leave?!
« Reply #286 on: October 14, 2011, 02:59:40 am »
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Re: Capello to leave?!
« Reply #287 on: October 14, 2011, 03:02:01 am »
I can't wait for Capello to leave. I've always liked him, he's a top manager and he's won all there is to win at a domestic level. I can't fucking believe that Fabio Capello of all people got suckered in to the shittiest job in world football and then fell into the traps everyone else has fallen for.

Listening to the media.

Seriously. Was there a slower team than England last year? Gareth Barry, Matthew Upson, Carra, Lampard... all of them too slow and ponderous with and without the ball to play on a world stage. They might all be good with their respective club teams, but you can't pick the eleven best players for England, you have to pick a proper team. And the media having their favourites and their own opinions have way too much influence.

I can't believe that Don Fabio, the guy who ran Beckham out of Madrid and then brought him back when he realised it was the right thing, didn't drop fucking Lampard. He's the only reason I decided to really follow England after years of having no interest, and he's done himself a huge disservice here.

The benefit is when he leaves, we'll get to watch and laugh as clueless shysters like Hodgson or Redknapp put their arm around the shoulder of the most pampered unprofessional shithouse mercenaries in the world, and England get battered for a few years.
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Re: Capello to leave?!
« Reply #288 on: October 14, 2011, 07:45:30 am »
If Harry can get Spurs to the CL 1/4 final then he could get England to the World Cup final.
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Re: Capello to leave?!
« Reply #289 on: October 14, 2011, 10:59:02 am »
Warnock doesn't realise England have been playing that kind of football for years especially under Taylor. I would love to see him get the job , just to see how badly he can fuck it up.

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Re: Capello to leave?!
« Reply #290 on: October 14, 2011, 11:15:55 am »
Hodgson as England manager!!!!

'Arry is an expert at blaming his players for his failings and the media wont be against him that much.
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Re: Capello to leave?!
« Reply #291 on: October 14, 2011, 11:18:25 am »
This topic is hilarious for last 4 pages or so.
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Re: Capello to leave?!
« Reply #292 on: October 14, 2011, 11:20:18 am »
If Harry can get Spurs to the CL 1/4 final then he could get England to the World Cup final.


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Re: Capello to leave?!
« Reply #293 on: October 14, 2011, 11:22:15 am »
'I don't enjoy watching a team that takes 25 passes to get to the halfway line, it's not excitement. At the moment we see tippy-tappy football with passes across the back four because players are afraid to make a mistake. Enjoy it lads, that's why you're out there.
'I'm a fan at heart and I like to be in a stadium where there are "oohs" and "aahs", keepers making saves, headers, chances and corners. 'That's excitement, sending people away happy and believing they have just seen something that gets the blood pumping. I'm not sure people walk away from Wembley after an international feeling the same way.


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Re: Capello to leave?!
« Reply #294 on: October 14, 2011, 11:30:48 am »
Who knows Redknapp could do really well with England.

I don't think he is the best of managers but he may appeal to this set of players.  He will definitely pander to their ego and perhaps that's what these guys need.  However wrong that may sound, it's what may work given the context.

The technical likes of Capello and Eriksson haven't really been able to complete the job because I think they end of intimidating the players.

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Re: Capello to leave?!
« Reply #295 on: October 14, 2011, 11:37:20 am »
Who knows Redknapp could do really well with England.

I don't think he is the best of managers but he may appeal to this set of players.  He will definitely pander to their ego and perhaps that's what these guys need.  However wrong that may sound, it's what may work given the context.

The technical likes of Capello and Eriksson haven't really been able to complete the job because I think they end of intimidating the players.
not to sound ridiculous, and i know capello is a class manager, but i reckon redknapp is a class manager.

he is a fuckin' twat, and people on here love to down grade him, but he does seem like he can get players motivated and playing decent football. i reckon he could do well for england.
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Re: Capello to leave?!
« Reply #296 on: October 14, 2011, 11:37:46 am »
Please let Uncle Hodgson Hodgson the owl-faced c*nt get it.

Capello can't do anything with England. They don't come much better than him. The fucking blerts need to take a reality check - the players aren't a team and aren't as good as their reputations suggest.
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Re: Capello to leave?!
« Reply #297 on: October 14, 2011, 11:43:35 am »
I do think he appeals to a certain type of footballer.  If you think about the players in the English team, they have all grown up with a certain perception of what a manager should be.  Without generalising it I'm guessing it's the 'arm around the shoulder' manager who provides inspiration in a few words.  Whether those words are inspirational to others it doesn't matter because the player(s) in their minds kind of romanticise it.  So it will probably work.  Might explain why in pressure situations England tend to fail as the players may be looking for a bit of guidance rather than instruction and buckle.

Given that most Premier League players are exposed to top quality coaching at club level it may not be a bad idea to have this type of manager in charge of the national team.

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Re: Capello to leave?!
« Reply #298 on: October 14, 2011, 12:04:48 pm »
Please let Uncle Hodgson Hodgson the owl-faced c*nt get it.

Capello can't do anything with England. They don't come much better than him. The fucking blerts need to take a reality check - the players aren't a team and aren't as good as their reputations suggest.

It would be magnificent.
Though I am tempted, in light of some of the comments in here last night, motioning for El Camp to start a 'WARNOCK FOR ENGLAND' campaign.
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Re: Capello to leave?!
« Reply #299 on: October 14, 2011, 12:55:47 pm »
I do think he appeals to a certain type of footballer.  If you think about the players in the English team, they have all grown up with a certain perception of what a manager should be.  Without generalising it I'm guessing it's the 'arm around the shoulder' manager who provides inspiration in a few words.  Whether those words are inspirational to others it doesn't matter because the player(s) in their minds kind of romanticise it.  So it will probably work.  Might explain why in pressure situations England tend to fail as the players may be looking for a bit of guidance rather than instruction and buckle.

Given that most Premier League players are exposed to top quality coaching at club level it may not be a bad idea to have this type of manager in charge of the national team.

I agree in theory. But the quality of English coaching staff, from youth development to PL managers is shit. Italian, Spanish, French, German, Dutch, Scottish et al coaches are all highly sought after throughout Europe. Everytime an English team fires it's manager the fans march in the streets protesting "Anyone but Alan fucking Curbishley". When was the last time an English manager won a title worth remembering? Or even the last remotely decent player to become more than a halfwit manager?

'Arry's motivations might work on some players, but so what? When they meet a team that will fight them for every ball and team spirit, work rate and tactics come into question they'd get mauled. Look at Maradona as an example. Every Argentinian in that squad would taken a bullet for him but when they faced the Germans it didn't matter. Do you think it will be any different with Redknapp on the sidelines shouting "For the pwide of Ingurlend lads!" as Joe Hart collects the ball from his net for the 6th time in the first half. His self-serving mind conjures a brilliant plan and at half time hands the ref a brown envolope of cash saying "keep up the good job son" *twitch* *twitch* and after the game in an double header exclusive with the Sun and Daily Mail that he has proof that the ref was bribed and his media darlings will splash around headlines of "'Onest 'Arry's brave lions cheated by dem durrrty foweigners"

Compare that to the other nations who have done well internationally in recent years. Aragones won the Euros with Spain, when he took charge he had been manager of Atletico, Barca, Valencia and Sevilla with close to a 1000 games as manager under his belt. Del Bosque was a Real Madrid legend, having won numerous titles as a player and then winning the CL twice as their manager. Bert van Marjwik might not be the most experienced manager, but he's learned his lesson, broadening his horizon by managing in Germany and he hass one of the best records in international competitions of all time. His staff is made of well respected, former NT players and the players like and respect him. Oscar Tabarez, the Uruguayan manager has managed for over 30 years, managed in Colombia, Argentina, Italy and Spain. He made the semis at the World Cup and won the Copa America using his wealth of experience. Dunga might not have been the best manager, but he still won the Copa America and Confedirations Cup. A legend of the game and icon to any Brazilian player. And it might've been 5 years ago, but when Italy won the world cup they had one of the greatest managers of all time, Marcello Lippi who's credentials can't be doubted. Their current manager is doing a good job, a former European Cup winning player with Juventus and a man who had taken a newly promoted Fiorentina to the CL. The Germans are in a league of their own. Appointed Rudi Völler, an icon, who didn't even have a coaching licence and he got them to the '02 final. Appointed Klinsmann and he (or arguably Löw) got them to the '06 semis and won the Bronze. Löw is the only of the 3 who has any remote coaching experience, having managed in Germany, Austria and Turkey he has now gotten his team to a Euros final losing 1-0 to and then losing 1-0 to Spain (who won the competition) in the semis. HE also has the highest winning percentage of any NT team manager.

Compare that to the English staff where the best any of them can claim as a title in the past decade is an FA Cup and the only manager to have actually gone overseas and done well, at least making an attempt to learn new ways will never get hired again. English managers achieve fuck all in their careers, do fuck all noteworthy in their careers and have no intention of doing anything to change that. They are perfectly happy to roll around in their own pig pen and claim they are masters of the universe.
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Re: Capello to leave?!
« Reply #300 on: October 14, 2011, 01:01:02 pm »
That is a great post Aristotle.
I got the Lucas thing wrong. Will be right on Henderson though. Play him RM, play him CM - Not good enough and never will be.

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Re: Capello to leave?!
« Reply #301 on: October 14, 2011, 01:14:32 pm »
It's inevitable that Harry is the next manager.
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Re: Capello to leave?!
« Reply #302 on: October 14, 2011, 01:32:52 pm »
England need a manager who'll get them playing football.  The players aren't as technical as South Americans or Europeans so they don't need a coach like Capello or even Rafa, it has to be someone like Redknapp or Wenger.  A manager who can take a team which has strength, power, etc, and get them to play a more expansive game.

Capello hasn't done the business with England because he's always managed teams with highly technical players, who he can then drill formations, tactics and discipline into.  With England, the players are used to a more rigid playing style, so they already have that, they just need to be taught how to play out from the back, etc.
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Re: Capello to leave?!
« Reply #303 on: October 14, 2011, 02:03:45 pm »
As much as I dislike Harry, considering the result a few weeks ago, our posturing over his tactical ineptness is a little off.

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Re: Capello to leave?!
« Reply #304 on: October 14, 2011, 02:06:06 pm »
I dunno why Capello ever wanted to associate himself with a shower of losers like England anyway.
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Re: Capello to leave?!
« Reply #305 on: October 14, 2011, 02:10:04 pm »
I dunno why Capello ever wanted to associate himself with a shower of losers like England anyway.
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« Reply #306 on: October 14, 2011, 02:13:18 pm »
Can't really disagree with your post, mate.  English football needs a complete revamp and there needs to be huge investment at the grass roots level.  Not only that but the attitude towards education needs to change and that's bigger than just football.

But when I look at the team now and think what could be the solution in the coming years, then perhaps Redknapp is not all that bad an option.

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Re: Capello to leave?!
« Reply #307 on: October 14, 2011, 02:24:43 pm »
As much as I dislike Harry, considering the result a few weeks ago, our posturing over his tactical ineptness is a little off.

How so? That was a tactical fail by us, in a relatively even game. Besides England don't have anyone close to Modric's ability to dominate midfield, and they won't have a man advantage in every game they played.

I mean it's not like there are hundreds of examples where someone has been tactically beaten in a one off match.

As a subject of interest I was looking at the '97/'98 CL recently. There were upsets in that competition, suppose we could say that our assumption about many a manager there were far off. I mean who would've guessed the mighty Bayern München under manager Giovanni Trappatoni could never have been beaten at home by the pitiful IFK Göteborg. Dinamo Kyiv won Barcelona 0-4 at the Nou Camp. Barca were managed by known tactical halfwit Louis Van Gaal. Eventual winners Real Madrid lost to Rosenborg.

In recent memory when Wigan won Chelsea 3-1 after Chelsea had been unbeaten in something like 7 months. I'd still say Ancelotti was a better tactician than Martinez.
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« Reply #308 on: October 14, 2011, 02:31:03 pm »
Can't really disagree with your post, mate.  English football needs a complete revamp and there needs to be huge investment at the grass roots level.  Not only that but the attitude towards education needs to change and that's bigger than just football.

But when I look at the team now and think what could be the solution in the coming years, then perhaps Redknapp is not all that bad an option.

But again, that is the problem. Any possible success by Redknapp will only apply a new coat of paint to a crumbling building. Capello was an instant fix. So would Redknapp, Hogdson et al be. When Spain hadn't won anything in decades they didn't look to the person who might do good at the next competition and fire him if he didn't. They looked to the person who could do good in 20 years. They said we have a problem, we must fix the situation and teach our youngest the right way so they will do it right when they play for the national team. As I said somewhere else, the successful teams in international football do things in steps. When the current crop of players were sinking at the highest level they went to the root of the problem. You have to walk before you run, pass before you shoot, change the way of thought from how can I do better to how can WE do better. To speak in absolute metaphors. The "English way" seems to be throwing enough players in at the deep end, picking those that float back up and hiring a qualified lifeguard to salvage a few more.
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« Reply #309 on: October 14, 2011, 03:27:54 pm »
Whoppers like this really exist out there.

You couldn't make it up.

There on the wind up surely  :o
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Re: Capello to leave?!
« Reply #310 on: October 14, 2011, 04:09:21 pm »
The 'I'd have Warnock or Hodgson over Capello' statements are the highlight so far IMO.

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Re: Capello to leave?!
« Reply #311 on: October 14, 2011, 04:28:36 pm »
But again, that is the problem. Any possible success by Redknapp will only apply a new coat of paint to a crumbling building. Capello was an instant fix. So would Redknapp, Hogdson et al be. When Spain hadn't won anything in decades they didn't look to the person who might do good at the next competition and fire him if he didn't. They looked to the person who could do good in 20 years. They said we have a problem, we must fix the situation and teach our youngest the right way so they will do it right when they play for the national team. As I said somewhere else, the successful teams in international football do things in steps. When the current crop of players were sinking at the highest level they went to the root of the problem. You have to walk before you run, pass before you shoot, change the way of thought from how can I do better to how can WE do better. To speak in absolute metaphors. The "English way" seems to be throwing enough players in at the deep end, picking those that float back up and hiring a qualified lifeguard to salvage a few more.

I've been having a look at what Gareth Southgate has done recently and I quite like his attitude and the realisation that we need to be forward looking. I'd quite like him to manage the Olympic team and progress in the background in the knowledge that if he resolves the archaic structure then he may well have a chance as manager in 5-10yrs.

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« Reply #312 on: October 14, 2011, 05:44:53 pm »
That's signature worthy material and I don't care that 1021 beat me to it.

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Re: Capello to leave?!
« Reply #313 on: October 14, 2011, 05:48:10 pm »
Make sure you bump this thread in 2014.
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« Reply #314 on: October 14, 2011, 05:50:33 pm »
Dont you fucking worry.

Of course this is assuming that Redknapp actually gets the England job next year...

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« Reply #315 on: October 14, 2011, 05:51:39 pm »
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« Reply #316 on: October 14, 2011, 06:49:22 pm »
You know what this directly ties into? The media whining about a lack of opportunities for young English coaches at the the very top of the Premiership. Like David Platt, Paul Ince, Stuart Pearce and the like should be considered alongside Rafa, Kenny, Ancelotti, Scolari and Villas-Boas. These guys should be taking jobs all around Europe, learning their trade in Serie B and the like to make up for their lack of a footballing education, maybe even working as coach under the Capellos and Lippis of the last decade or so. You look at who Pep Guardiola played under, and the type of player he was, and you can see exactly why he made such a great manager, blessed as he was with the Barca set up. You can also see why he'd be trusted with the role with only a season's experience with Barca B. Can you name five English players who were able to read the game as well as Guardiola? Scholes maybe. David James. I think Carra has a shot. But there aren't many English Alonsos, Hyypias, Blancs, and so on.

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Re: Capello to leave?!
« Reply #317 on: October 14, 2011, 06:59:52 pm »
I agree in theory. But the quality of English coaching staff, from youth development to PL managers is shit. Italian, Spanish, French, German, Dutch, Scottish et al coaches are all highly sought after throughout Europe. Everytime an English team fires it's manager the fans march in the streets protesting "Anyone but Alan fucking Curbishley". When was the last time an English manager won a title worth remembering? Or even the last remotely decent player to become more than a halfwit manager?

'Arry's motivations might work on some players, but so what? When they meet a team that will fight them for every ball and team spirit, work rate and tactics come into question they'd get mauled. Look at Maradona as an example. Every Argentinian in that squad would taken a bullet for him but when they faced the Germans it didn't matter. Do you think it will be any different with Redknapp on the sidelines shouting "For the pwide of Ingurlend lads!" as Joe Hart collects the ball from his net for the 6th time in the first half. His self-serving mind conjures a brilliant plan and at half time hands the ref a brown envolope of cash saying "keep up the good job son" *twitch* *twitch* and after the game in an double header exclusive with the Sun and Daily Mail that he has proof that the ref was bribed and his media darlings will splash around headlines of "'Onest 'Arry's brave lions cheated by dem durrrty foweigners"

Compare that to the other nations who have done well internationally in recent years. Aragones won the Euros with Spain, when he took charge he had been manager of Atletico, Barca, Valencia and Sevilla with close to a 1000 games as manager under his belt. Del Bosque was a Real Madrid legend, having won numerous titles as a player and then winning the CL twice as their manager. Bert van Marjwik might not be the most experienced manager, but he's learned his lesson, broadening his horizon by managing in Germany and he hass one of the best records in international competitions of all time. His staff is made of well respected, former NT players and the players like and respect him. Oscar Tabarez, the Uruguayan manager has managed for over 30 years, managed in Colombia, Argentina, Italy and Spain. He made the semis at the World Cup and won the Copa America using his wealth of experience. Dunga might not have been the best manager, but he still won the Copa America and Confedirations Cup. A legend of the game and icon to any Brazilian player. And it might've been 5 years ago, but when Italy won the world cup they had one of the greatest managers of all time, Marcello Lippi who's credentials can't be doubted. Their current manager is doing a good job, a former European Cup winning player with Juventus and a man who had taken a newly promoted Fiorentina to the CL. The Germans are in a league of their own. Appointed Rudi Völler, an icon, who didn't even have a coaching licence and he got them to the '02 final. Appointed Klinsmann and he (or arguably Löw) got them to the '06 semis and won the Bronze. Löw is the only of the 3 who has any remote coaching experience, having managed in Germany, Austria and Turkey he has now gotten his team to a Euros final losing 1-0 to and then losing 1-0 to Spain (who won the competition) in the semis. HE also has the highest winning percentage of any NT team manager.

Compare that to the English staff where the best any of them can claim as a title in the past decade is an FA Cup and the only manager to have actually gone overseas and done well, at least making an attempt to learn new ways will never get hired again. English managers achieve fuck all in their careers, do fuck all noteworthy in their careers and have no intention of doing anything to change that. They are perfectly happy to roll around in their own pig pen and claim they are masters of the universe.

Exactly this. English managers always complain about how they can get jobs. there are teams outside of England you know.

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Re: Capello to leave?!
« Reply #318 on: October 14, 2011, 07:04:29 pm »
England need a manager who'll get them playing football.  The players aren't as technical as South Americans or Europeans so they don't need a coach like Capello or even Rafa, it has to be someone like Redknapp or Wenger.  A manager who can take a team which has strength, power, etc, and get them to play a more expansive game.

Capello hasn't done the business with England because he's always managed teams with highly technical players, who he can then drill formations, tactics and discipline into.  With England, the players are used to a more rigid playing style, so they already have that, they just need to be taught how to play out from the back, etc.

Being taught to play from the back at the age of 25 ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Capello to leave?!
« Reply #319 on: October 14, 2011, 08:52:22 pm »
Exactly this. English managers always complain about how they can get jobs. there are teams outside of England you know.

Foreign managers get big jobs in their own country which means they can build up their personal trophy cabinet.

English managers get small-medium jobs in England so they can't build up their personal trophy cabinet.

People then compare the foreign manager's trophy cabinet to the English manager' trophy cabinet.

For example people say "What has Harry ever won" and then go on to list all the trophies Capello has won.

I'd like to see Capello win the Champions League with West Ham...