Topic: Boxing thread

[Wabaloolah]

What a scrap that was

[Lusty]

Got it 7-5 Catterall.  But it could go either way.

Taylor was the more aggressive all the way through and the judges like that.

[RedSince86]

Fantastic fight, i'd like to see this again.

[Lee-87]

Jack by 2 for me, but a few really close rounds, one the other way and I have it a draw.

[Samie]

Catterall by 2 for me.

Give us a trilogy lads.

[Eeyore]

Proper 50-50 fight.

[Lusty]

2, 9 and 10 were hard to score.  I gave 2 to Taylor and 9 and 10 to Catterall.

If you give 9 and 10 to Taylor he wins 7-5.

[Barneylfc∗]

117-111 is a bit much

[Samie]

117-111

116-113

116-113

Unanimous Decision for Catterall

[HardworkDedication]

Well done Catterall. He deserved that.

[Lee-87]

UD, not even close on the judges cards

[Wabaloolah]

117-111 is a bit much

yeah it was closer than that

[Lee-87]

Taylor should get on the mic and wish the crowd a Happy New Year.

[Lusty]

Bob Arum has had a drink

[HardworkDedication]

Haha Arum has lot it lol

[Lee-87]

Fucking hell Arum, retire already ya arle gobshite

[Barneylfc∗]

Someone put Bob to bed 

[Legs]

Arum needs to pipe down as if judges in America are clean !

[Lusty]

Someone put Bob to bed 

Ideally a bed in a clinic in Switzerland...

[Samie]

Who gave the mic to Bob?

[Lee-87]

Josh your face looks like a Picasso, you didn't nick it.

[RobbieRedman]

7-5 Catterall for me but that was very close

[Eeyore]

That fight shows how difficult it is to score boxing matches and how flawed the scoring system is.

The need to have a 10-9 for one fighter in every round simply doesn't work.

[Lusty]

That fight shows how difficult it is to score boxing matches and how floored the scoring system is.

The need to have a 10-9 for one fighter in every round simply doesn't work.

There's nothing to stop them scoring it 9-9 if they want, and actually 2 of the judges must have done just that.

You used to see the occasional 10-8 round as well without a KD happening, but you never see that any more.

[duvva 💅]

Didn’t see it but reading Taylor wants a third fight.

Catterall probably doesn’t see any need as despite what the records say he’s beaten Taylor twice now.

At least it sounds like the right man got the decision tonight.

From memory I think it was the decision in their first fight why I don’t bother with boxing as much these days. One of the worst I can recall

[HardworkDedication]

Didn’t see it but reading Taylor wants a third fight.

Catterall probably doesn’t see any need as despite what the records say he’s beaten Taylor twice now.

At least it sounds like the right man got the decision tonight.

From memory I think it was the decision in their first fight why I don’t bother with boxing as much these days. One of the worst I can recall

I couldn't agree more, mate. So glad Catterall got the decision last night. Funnily enough I am currently rewatching their first fight on YouTube. I'm 6 rounds in and I have Catterall winning at least 5 of the first 6 rounds so far. How Taylor was given the win is still mind blowing.

Anyway back to watching the second half of their first fight 

[Alf]

Fell asleep during the fight last night, remember thinking Taylor had his best round in round 7 and Catterall was well ahead.

Bastard hay fever tablets 

[William Regal]

That fight shows how difficult it is to score boxing matches and how flawed the scoring system is.

The need to have a 10-9 for one fighter in every round simply doesn't work.

I've long been an advocate of this, theres far too many close rounds scored 10-9 when theirs nothing decisive in the rounds to split the fighters and it makes for fucked up final  scorecards.  Judges should be scoring way more rounds even imo so the decisive rounds are the ones that sway the fight.

[Eeyore]

I've long been an advocate of this, theres far too many close rounds scored 10-9 when theirs nothing decisive in the rounds to split the fighters and it makes for fucked up final  scorecards.  Judges should be scoring way more rounds even imo so the decisive rounds are the ones that sway the fight.

Personally, I feel we need a scoring system that has more graduations. Dominant rounds should be score more heavily than tight rounds that one fighter nicks. Currently, unless you have points deducted then it is usually 10-9's with the very odd level round or a 10-8.

Give the judges more latitude to differentiate between dominant rounds and tight ones. You could have 10-6 if there are a couple of knockdowns, 10-7 for a knockdown, 10-8 for a dominant round and 10-9 for a close round.

[BER]

Personally, I feel we need a scoring system that has more graduations. Dominant rounds should be score more heavily than tight rounds that one fighter nicks. Currently, unless you have points deducted then it is usually 10-9's with the very odd level round or a 10-8.

Give the judges more latitude to differentiate between dominant rounds and tight ones. You could have 10-6 if there are a couple of knockdowns, 10-7 for a knockdown, 10-8 for a dominant round and 10-9 for a close round.

I've always liked the sound of the half point system when this has come up for MMA. Pretty much the same as yours but you keep the 10-8 structure.

A close period yields a tally of 10-9.5. A clear winner 10-9. Rounds delivering damage or domination 10-8.5. Damage and domination will be scored 10-8.

[Samie]

Boxing judges don;t know how to add up whole numbers and you're introducing decimal points and half points to the mix? 

[Lusty]

Personally, I feel we need a scoring system that has more graduations. Dominant rounds should be score more heavily than tight rounds that one fighter nicks. Currently, unless you have points deducted then it is usually 10-9's with the very odd level round or a 10-8.

Give the judges more latitude to differentiate between dominant rounds and tight ones. You could have 10-6 if there are a couple of knockdowns, 10-7 for a knockdown, 10-8 for a dominant round and 10-9 for a close round.

10 point must already allows for basically all of that. The problem is the judges just scored 10-9 all the time but they don't have to. You can do 10-10 for an even round, 10-9 for a close round, 10-8 for a dominant round and take points off for KDs from there.

I think the problem with judging has more to do with the fact that sitting ringside is much harder to see what's going on than watching on the TV.

[Samie]

That's why I said "Hawkeye" the shit out of it. Install camera's on all four corners that feeds into the judges, so when someone connects with a punch and they deam it a scoring shot they'll have 3 seconds to press the button.

[Lusty]

That's why I said "Hawkeye" the shit out of it. Install camera's on all four corners that feeds into the judges, so when someone connects with a punch and they deam it a scoring shot they'll have 3 seconds to press the button.

You still need to account for things like quality, aggression etc. But yeah, understanding whether a shot actually landed or not would be a good first step.

[Samie]

Boxing's Survivor Series this weekend lads. 

[Samie]

Terence Crawford has now been made WBC Champion Emeritus. 

His next fight is up at Light Middle against Madrimov on August 3rd.

[William Regal]

Only just got round to watching Fury v Usyk in a sober capacity, that was a hell of a fight, I scored it 114-113 Usyk.

Usyk is a special fighter, his footwork to keep the pressure on and make the opponent work is completely elite, can only think of prime Ali in the heavyweights that can match Usyk for that.

I had Fury well ahead at the halfway stage, rounds 5 and 6 he put a clinic on Usyk, Usyk looked really gassed at this stage, he looked really disorientated on the stool at the end of the 7th when he asked to kiss the crucifix in the corner.

Round 8 was the huge turning point, that big looping left hook tipped the fight on its head, that same one punch broke Furys nose and put an egg under his eye at the same time, Furys whole demeanour changed from that point on  he seemed to have trouble breathing through his nose and with the amount of blood his nose was pissing.

Round 9 was like something out of Rocky 4 when Usyk knocked Fury all round the ring, I can understand people saying the referee saved him with the standing 8 count but he was genuinely being held up by the ropes at that point which means he should be given that 8 count, a big stroke of luck for Fury that or he would have at least been knocked down and possibly stopped.

Not sure how Fury recovered to get through the 10th, and he was competitive enough by the 11th to put a question mark on the last 2 rounds.

Usyk the deserved winner but an excellent contest, that left hand in the 8th was the most significant punch of the fight, Fury beaten but again demonstrating some of the best recuperative powers in the sport when his backs against the wall.

Usyk a firm favourite for the rematch but Fury a live underdog imo.

[Lisan Al Gaib]

Round 9 was like something out of Rocky 4 when Usyk knocked Fury all round the ring, I can understand people saying the referee saved him with the standing 8 count but he was genuinely being held up by the ropes at that point which means he should be given that 8 count, a big stroke of luck for Fury that or he would have at least been knocked down and possibly stopped.

I get what you're saying with Fury being held up by the ropes but my argument is that Usyk was landing at will without any defence or retaliation from Fury for about 30 seconds before the standing 8 count and that's why I thought it should have been stopped.

[William Regal]

Yeah definitely a case for it being stopped but this is Fury, and its undisputed, and his exellencey would probably have you beheaded if you did that 

[William Regal]

Got to say as well, what the actual fuck is John Fury doing in that corner, literally telling Tyson the exact opposite advice to Sugar Hill in the corner, you could see from Stewards face how pissed off he was with John Furys imput.  Theres no way he can be in the corner for that rematch.