Topic: PL: Liverpool 0 v 1 Crystal Palace Eze 14’

[Cafe De Paris]

Biffy Clyro.

[oldfordie]

Counted to 10.
If I was a neutral I would have said how the f.. did Liverpool not win that. so many chances close to goal. all split second shots, all hit with power and on target, that's usually enough but just one of those games were nothing goes for you.
Players anxious, not controlling easy passes.
Thought Robinson was really up for it today but he couldn't make it happen.
Players coming back may make the difference over the last 6 games.

[johnathank]

If the likes of Danns are good enough for a cup final, I’d rather see their energy and unpredictability against Palace than shots from bad angles that don’t trouble anyone.

[S]

If the likes of Danns are good enough for a cup final, I’d rather see their energy and unpredictability against Palace than shots from bad angles that don’t trouble anyone.

Was going to post this earlier. What happened to trusting the youth? I find it bizarre that we haven’t seen them since the regulars started coming back. I thought they earned their chance to get at least some minutes.

[DonkeyWan]

Yus, +1 goal difference...

[Fromola]

Was going to post this earlier. What happened to trusting the youth? I find it bizarre that we haven’t seen them since the regulars started coming back. I thought they earned their chance to get at least some minutes.

Danns would have more likely got at least one goal off the bench in the last 3 shitshows we've seen in front of goal.

[RedG13]

Created enough to win the game. Missed chances and Palace scored of their big chances.

[Nick110581]

Created enough to win the game. Missed chances and Palace scored of their big chances.

Palace had two other huge chances. Ali made a wonder save although VVD was fouled and Robbo cleared off line.

But we missed at least 6 clear cut chances

[Asam]

started with no intensity
Conceded first
Lost our nerve

The players have let their heads drop due to some poor results, it’s a shame there isn’t a Milner in the dressing room as i don’t see where the leadership will come from to turn this around

[killer-heels]

Created enough to win the game. Missed chances and Palace scored of their big chances.

To be fair that simplifies everything. Its not that simple.

[StevoHimself]

To be fair that simplifies everything. Its not that simple.

Certainly not today. Massively off it in a few different departments.

[Rush 82]

In the last 6 matches in the PL, LFC

Attempts - 149 - Rank 1
Attempts on target - 38 - Rank 4
Goals - 9 - Rank 9
Shot conversion - 6% - Rank 19

The stats confirm what our eyes tell us.

[killer-heels]

In the last 6 matches in the PL, LFC

Attempts - 149 - Rank 1
Attempts on target - 38 - Rank 4
Goals - 9 - Rank 9
Shot conversion - 6% - Rank 19

The stats confirm what our eyes tell us.

It does in a way, but things are a bit off even without that.

[Nick110581]

started with no intensity
Conceded first
Lost our nerve

The players have let their heads drop due to some poor results, it’s a shame there isn’t a Milner in the dressing room as i don’t see where the leadership will come from to turn this around

They haven't though.

We were shit Thursday but could have won 5-2 today.

[RedBlakey]

In the last 6 matches in the PL, LFC

Attempts - 149 - Rank 1
Attempts on target - 38 - Rank 4
Goals - 9 - Rank 9
Shot conversion - 6% - Rank 19

The stats confirm what our eyes tell us.

Bloody hell that's appalling. You could maybe forgive it over 1 or 2 games but 6 is a big enough sample size to accept that it's a big problem.

[cornishscouser92]

I think Atalanta and Palace (1st half) had figured out what you do against that particular Liverpool system, man to man mark, high press on the 6, shut the middle of the pitch to force Endo/Konate & VVD to break lines or just go long, try to force Liverpool wide and on the counter leave the overload on Liverpool's right back.
Trent coming on & Macca as the 6 changed up the system and consequently they got out less, and Liverpool created a ton of chances, all be it Trent did look very rusty which is understandable. Can't say much for the missing chances, some unlucky with late Palace blocks, some utterly abysmal finishing. 

[killer-heels]

They haven't though.

We were shit Thursday but could have won 5-2 today.

We were awful today as well.

[Nick110581]

We were awful today as well.

We weren't that bad.

Endo chance goes in and it settles us.

We then missed the one on one and the point blank chances from Mo / Jota / Nunez.

[StevoHimself]

They haven't though.

We were shit Thursday but could have won 5-2 today.

We were really bad today, regardless of the result. Particularly in the first half. Could barely find each other with a pass, wasn't sure what the plan was at all and conceded our customary goal. To say there was three or four players off it in that half would be a huge understatement.

Palace weren't as good as Atalanta but they approached the game in a similar manner.

[Fromola]

I think Atalanta and Palace (1st half) had figured out what you do against that particular Liverpool system, man to man mark, high press on the 6, shut the middle of the pitch to force Endo/Konate & VVD to break lines or just go long, try to force Liverpool wide and on the counter leave the overload on Liverpool's right back.
Trent coming on & Macca as the 6 changed up the system and consequently they got out less, and Liverpool created a ton of chances, all be it Trent did look very rusty which is understandable. Can't say much for the missing chances, some unlucky with late Palace blocks, some utterly abysmal finishing.

If only we could have got 3 months out of Thiago for the run in as well.

We were far too predictable until we made the changes.

[Nick110581]

If only we could have got 3 months out of Thiago for the run in as well.

We were far too predictable until we made the changes.

I think Klopp made an error with the team today.

Mac, Jones and Dom may have been better. Even Elliott in there too.

Endo has looked tired.

[cornishscouser92]

If only we could have got 3 months out of Thiago for the run in as well.

We were far too predictable until we made the changes.

He's so good for build up from deep. A clip on twitter against City in the FA Cup semi was doing the rounds recently where he's toying with Rodri and Gundogan when they're pressing him. Masterful.

Thought they massively lacked energy too, first goal is criminal.

[decosabute]

They haven't though.

We were shit Thursday but could have won 5-2 today.

Maybe we kept at it more than Thursday, and should've scored goals, but it was still headless chaos. We might not have let our heads completely drop after the inevitable slow start and defensive fuckup, but we still sort of lost our heads. Aside from Gakpo's sub appearance, all our attackers were shit today. None of our creative players were much better.

We might not necessarily have really deserved to lose today on the balance of play, but we've deserved to lose control of the title race. It was a poor performance, despite us having chances

[killer-heels]

We weren't that bad.

Endo chance goes in and it settles us.

We then missed the one on one and the point blank chances from Mo / Jota / Nunez.

We were collectively bad and by that i mean the 11 that started to Klopp and the coaches. We start the game like we are not prepared, its like fucking hell, these lot can do that?

We played Endo when he struggled big time against these lot and yet rather than be pragmatic and think fine, we will play Mac next to him just to help him out. That doesnt happen until after 25 minutes and then guess what, we get control. Why not do that from the start? Its a sense of complacency or lack of pragmatism to say lets start with a foothold and then worry about scoring. After that we forced them back but a lot of that was due to Mateta, Eze and Olise tiring.

Also in terms of the attacking, yes we had chances but how controlled? Its almost if the shots on goal emphasised the hurried, frantic nature of how these chances came about. Nunez isolated, Salah off it, no real width.

Ultimately i dont want to hammer this team because they have done well for a while and at the start of this season, we take this as a good season.

[CHOPPER]

We were awful today as well.

Yet still should/could have won.

[decosabute]

I think Klopp made an error with the team today.

Mac, Jones and Dom may have been better. Even Elliott in there too.

Endo has looked tired.

It was the one surprise about the teamsheet for me.

He looked absolutely goosed on Thursday, was even poor last weekend, and yet started a must-win today. I don't blame Klopp for picking the team he did, and I think mostly the players have let him down these last two league games, but that was a slightly odd one. Think Mac mostly needs to play 6 from here on out.

[Nick110581]

We were collectively bad and by that i mean the 11 that started to Klopp and the coaches. We start the game like we are not prepared, its like fucking hell, these lot can do that?

We played Endo when he struggled big time against these lot and yet rather than be pragmatic and think fine, we will play Mac next to him just to help him out. That doesnt happen until after 25 minutes and then guess what, we get control. Why not do that from the start? Its a sense of complacency or lack of pragmatism to say lets start with a foothold and then worry about scoring. After that we forced them back but a lot of that was due to Mateta, Eze and Olise tiring.

Also in terms of the attacking, yes we had chances but how controlled? Its almost if the shots on goal emphasised the hurried, frantic nature of how these chances came about. Nunez isolated, Salah off it, no real width.

Ultimately i dont want to hammer this team because they have done well for a while and at the start of this season, we take this as a good season.

But we still should have won.

[killer-heels]

Yet still should/could have won.

Indeed. We should have won. But the finishes were kind of symptomatic of the hurried, frantic nature the way the chances came about.

On top of that we gave away loads of chances. We looked underprepared.

[killer-heels]

But we still should have won.

Yes. But we didnt.

[Nick110581]

Indeed. We should have won. But the finishes were kind of symptomatic of the hurried, frantic nature the way the chances came about.

On top of that we gave away loads of chances. We looked underprepared.

We looked under prepared at the start as you said.

But those three point blank chances are a joke. Even the Diaz one where Henderson has no clue.

I said earlier than Palmer scored one for Chelsea that goes in off a player and Haaland tries a bicycle kick that is going for a throw until it hits a lad in the face and goes in.We have none of that.

[decosabute]

But we still should have won.

We were never composed or assured in anything we did. For all that we started to dominate territory, I never felt the goal was coming.

And there's also a thing on here of thinking we deserved to win by having chances. No, you don't deserve anything if your play is chaotic and you can't finish a fucking thing.

We deserved to beat Man City for example, cos we completely outplayed them. We were smarter, better more intense and were also robbed on a crazy refereeing decision.

Today, we were sloppy and stupid. And even when our chaotic thrashing around resulted in some big chances, we chaotically thrashed at them. We deserved fuck all.

[CHOPPER]

Indeed. We should have won. But the finishes were kind of symptomatic of the hurried, frantic nature the way the chances came about.

On top of that we gave away loads of chances. We looked underprepared.

Nervous with the ball, lacked confidence and we had no tempo what so ever. A major annoyance of mine is when we are nervous and edgy and lack tempo - we pass to feet, due to in the main a severe lack of movement, which is a major part of our tempo.

When we are good, we play the space, movement is intuitive and we pass to the run, not always to feet. Subtle but key differences to whether its going to be an easy 90 minutes, or a frustrating 90 minutes.

[Nick110581]

We were never composed or assured in anything we did. For all that we started to dominate territory, I never felt the goal was coming.

And there's also a thing on here of thinking we deserved to win by having chances. No, you don't deserve anything if your play is chaotic and you can't finish a fucking thing.

We deserved to beat Man City for example, cos we completely outplayed them. We were smarter, better more intense and were also robbed on a crazy refereeing decision.

Today, we were sloppy and stupid. And even when our chaotic thrashing around resulted in some big chances, we chaotically thrashed at them. We deserved fuck all.

We still should have won even if you don't think we deserved it.

9/10 we score the Jota and Nunez chance.

[killer-heels]

Nervous with the ball, lacked confidence and we had no tempo what so ever. A major annoyance of mine is when we are nervous and edgy and lack tempo - we pass to feet, due to in the main a severe lack of movement, which is a major part of our tempo.

When we are good, we play the space, movement is intuitive and we pass to the run, not always to feet. Subtle but key differences to whether its going to be an easy 90 minutes, or a frustrating 90 minutes.

For me all this comes back to the start. They have one attack early with Eze and Mitchell and we are like “fuck, these are quick and good aint they”. They give Endo all the time on the ball until he takes a step into the centre circle then he gets hounded.

We knew all this in the game at their place. They did the same thing. At no point in the start does Klopp say lets play this safe, lets have a 2 man midfield and get a foothold. Lets allow Mac or Endo the chance to get out to that right side rather than leave a guy who clearly is poor on the ball to control what was a line across the field.

Once we let in that goal, minds turned to last Thursday and then its all frantic. The defending was frantic, chance creation frantic and the finishing was beyond frantic.

[Chris~]

In the last 6 matches in the PL, LFC

Attempts - 149 - Rank 1
Attempts on target - 38 - Rank 4
Goals - 9 - Rank 9
Shot conversion - 6% - Rank 19

The stats confirm what our eyes tell us.

for people who like xg I have opta's number for this as 9 from 15..8 (may change when they review todays game) it's 3 from 8.2 in the City, United and Palace games.

[StevoHimself]

For me all this comes back to the start. They have one attack early with Eze and Mitchell and we are like “fuck, these are quick and good aint they”. They give Endo all the time on the ball until he takes a step into the centre circle then he gets hounded.

We knew all this in the game at their place. They did the same thing. At no point in the start does Klopp say lets play this safe, lets have a 2 man midfield and get a foothold. Lets allow Mac or Endo the chance to get out to that right side rather than leave a guy who clearly is poor on the ball to control what was a line across the field.

Once we let in that goal, minds turned to last Thursday and then its all frantic. The defending was frantic, chance creation frantic and the finishing was beyond frantic.

Excellent post as well as the one you quoted. Just off it in virtually every way today. Absolutely no intensity. We played without purpose, which is mad to say of a team that thinks it's got a chance of winning a title in a beloved manager's final season.

[Mister Flip Flop]

My one little moan from today about the team selection is not playing Elliott from the start. He's the only one at the moment (maybe Gakpo also) who looks like they'd run through a wall for the cause and has the talent to produce something.

[jason42]

And teams know it. They come at us from the first second. Sheffield United did it too and probably should have scored less than a minute in if it wasn’t for a brilliant save from Caoimh.

Exactly.

[andy07]

Second half ok.  Should have won by 2 or 3 goals.  All still to play for though we are going to have to start converting chances. Hope City and Arsenal both progress midweek and have two head to heads.  Also think Arsenal are best chance of eliminating City.

As for us Gakpo looked decent as did Elliot.  Would like us to start with the finishing 11 today.  Still all to play for on Thursday and it is a free hit with the pressure off.  Get through and it will be one hell of a pick me up.

[Pistolero]

Well. That was fuckin grim and no mistake. I think it's maybe just dawned on some of these players that Klopp is off in a few weeks, because the arse has fallen out of them..................bit of a mad team selection again as well (has Jurgen gone a bit de-mob happy?)....never want to see that midfield starting again ever. ........Jones, Salah, Endo, Nunez, Diaz all simultaneously, hopelessly at sea......great to see Ali and Diogo back on the pitch though....and had to rub my eyes to make sure it was Gakpo with the speed/skill/determination/fight.....so all's not lost on that front.

All we can do is march on.....need to go to Atalanta aiming from the off to score 5 goals (not even the 4 that we need)......give it fuckin everything - the way Atalanta did last Thursday - and flip the upended, effed up season back on its feet.....a glorious comeback would have the side feeling ten feet tall - and ready for the challenge of hunting City down........unlikely maybe, but lets be honest who had both LFC and Arsenal losing at home today?. Its not over until Susan Boyle is gargling TCP.

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