Topic: PL: Liverpool 3 vs 0 Brentford Salah 40’ 62’ Jota 74’

[Dim Glas]

Infuriating isn’t it.

Also funny how the player that Endo tackled magically recovered from writhing around in agony the minute that the red wasn’t given by VAR.

that’s what fucked me off about that, he was trying to get Endo sent off. Nothing wrong with him. Both players made contact with each other, but one was honest and got on with it, the other feigned injury.   Endo was a bit lucky not to get booked today, but otherwise, a solid enough game, stepping into a game he likely wouldn't have started, he like Tsimikas are two squad players who performed their roles well for the team today and helped get the 3 points.

Matip and Virgil where very good, the goals where great, all in all a deserved win and done with a few injuries having piled up.

[the_red_pill]

Table's about to shape up, with 2 familiar faces at the top... and a 3rd one.

[thaddeus]

Table's about to shape up, with 2 familiar faces at the top... and a 3rd one.

Liverpool, Arsenal... and Man City?

[rushyman]

Is Thomas Frank out of his mind?

Saying Endos challenge was the same as Rashfords 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

You fucking nutcase

It's not even a foul

[rushyman]

Infuriating isn’t it.

Also funny how the player that Endo tackled magically recovered from writhing around in agony the minute that the red wasn’t given by VAR.

This bullshit drives me insane

They're coached to actually stay down writhing anout

Thomas Frank and his shit hair desperately wanting reds. It's a disgrace it was actually looked at

[GreatEx]

Is Thomas Frank out of his mind?

Not at all, he's since some of the nonsense Liverpool plays have been sent off for this season and is wondering why he can't have a slice.

But he should realise that the refs only feel emboldened to do the big steal away from at Anfield. When they're in our gaff they go for the attritional approach with little fouls to kill momentum, advantages not given, that sort of thing.

[touchlineban]

MoTM : Nunez (real shame the lad didn't get a deserved goal, but his contribution for the team was emmense). I really can't believe how much his game outside the box has come on and improved in the last year.  His touch and passing are superb.

Honourable mentions : Mo (obviously), Tsimikas and VVD.

Excellent first half.  Full of energy and quick passing.  Carved open Brenford a lot.  All the things that have been missing in the last two.

Jota being dragged to the floor in the box...

Matip being booked for an opposition player fouling him...

Second half, meh.  Great goal by Jota.

Brentford are slick quick passing team.  Fill the box when attacking and when defending.  Mbeumo, I really like that lad.  Never made a bad pass (although his shooting was wayward) and has really, really quick feet.

Three points in the bag, second in the league and point off of Man Shitty.  No complaints, yet.

[Cruyff Turn]

The XG for this game was pretty much level pegging….

I hadn’t quite seen it as being that close…once we scored it seemed pretty routine

Don't think it was that close regardless of XG. They had a good chance one on one, but we had 2 in the first half, scored one and Mo should have probably put the 2nd one away right before half-time.

They had more of a go once we were 2-0 and 3-0 up, but they never had put too much pressure on us during key periods of the match.

[rushyman]

Not at all, he's since some of the nonsense Liverpool plays have been sent off for this season and is wondering why he can't have a slice.

But he should realise that the refs only feel emboldened to do the big steal away from at Anfield. When they're in our gaff they go for the attritional approach with little fouls to kill momentum, advantages not given, that sort of thing.

Getting pissed off with the duplicity of these managers to be honest

Wagging his finger at VAR over a 50/50 challenge.

Be interesting to see if the Aussie yob at spurs keeps that 'I was brought up to respect refs' stuff. I mean he said it on the actual day he got booked for dissent

[Mighty_Red]

All things considered, a great 3 goals and 3 points. Haven't got a clue how the xG was worked out, I guess it comes in part from Nunez' offside goals not counting towards xG even though it was clear evidence of our creativity.

Don't see how Endo can be sent off there, i agree that maybe bookings should be reviewed to make it a little clearer.

[shank94]

Great win! Delighted with the strong bounce back. Hopefully a clean NT break and we have Jones, Gravy Gomez, Konate back fit and ready. Going to be a long boring two weeks ffs

[StL-Dono]

Great, hard-fought result.  I thought Nunez was outstanding, Tsimikas and Endo greatly improved from midweek, VVD brilliant as has been usual this season.   

What got under my skin was the way Tierney gave a free kick nearly every single time we pressed them from behind and they immediately toppled to the ground.  It seemed like it was reflexive from him.  LFC challenge, Brentford falls over, free kick.  Rinse and repeat. 

It seems our players mostly try to play out of a challenge like that, rarely just dive, and from time to time, lose the ball because of their honesty.  To me that was the most frustrating thing from a much needed winning performance. 

[ScouserAtHeart]

Joint best defence in the league too. Not too bad is it

[red_Mark1980]

Was not even a yellow. Both players going into the tackle on a 50-50 ball, without studs up.
How is that even a yellow, let alone a red?
Football has become a pansy's game. McMahon would be living in misery playing football in this age.

I've no problems with Thomas Franck, but his comments on MOTD2 were unusual.

Along the lines of "I don't think it's a red card, but with VAR and Curtis Jones at Spurs and Rashford against Cophenhagen it it's"

What mate?

Don't think it was that close regardless of XG. They had a good chance one on one, but we had 2 in the first half, scored one and Mo should have probably put the 2nd one away right before half-time.

They had more of a go once we were 2-0 and 3-0 up, but they never had put too much pressure on us during key periods of the match.

Like so many things xG on its own won't tell the actual story, we had 10 shots on target to their 3 from an almost equal number of total shots.

It's also not player dependent I believe meaning a chance for Salah, the exact same chance for one of their fellas is the same xG

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

The XG for this game was pretty much level pegging….

I hadn’t quite seen it as being that close…once we scored it seemed pretty routine

This it's swayed by a fair amount of Brentford's pressure coming after it was 3-0, and the offside goals having no baring on xg but giving us a clear indication that our first goal was long overdue.

I've no problems with Thomas Franck, but his comments on MOTD2 were unusual.

Along the lines of "I don't think it's a red card, but with VAR and Curtis Jones at Spurs and Rashford against Cophenhagen it it's"

What mate?
 
Like so many things xG on its own won't tell the actual story, we had 10 shots on target to their 3 from an almost equal number of total shots.

It's also not player dependent I believe meaning a chance for Salah, the exact same chance for one of their fellas is the same xG

The mental thing about that VAR check was that if it was Endo who stayed down and the Brentford player who got up, it could easily be looked at just as closely in terms of a potential red card for them. They literally challenge in the exact same way and both get the ball in doing so. Any contact above the ankle was only a consequence of them lying down.

[Zimagic]

Is Thomas Frank out of his mind?
Saying Endos challenge was the same as Rashfords 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You fucking nutcase
It's not even a foul

Probably was a foul and we've seen them being carded, but the point he was trying to make is that it shouldn't be a red card. All the ones he listed, in his opinion should be yellows and then we get on with the game, but VAR is making them Reds by showing stills and they really shouldn't be. So he listed a number of challenges, and included Curtis Jones, that shouldn't have resulted in Reds according to the rules, but VAR interviening makes it a red.

I actually enjoyed his presser. He seems lucid & level headed, knowledgable about football and how the game should be played and reffed. Almost like watching Klopp, obviously supporting his team, but aware of the bigger picture.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Was great to see that cheating fucking twat Tierney loudly called out by the whole ground

Go and fuck yourself you fucking gobshite.

[ScottScott]

We were excellent throughout. They had one big chance in the 1st half when they hit a rapid counter from our corner and a half chance when Trent made a bad touch/poor pass in our box and one of their lads ballooned a shot over but that was it. 2nd half their chances came after we were 3-0 up and were in 1st gear and it never looked like they were going to score

Great to see Kostas play well and he did so well to get that cross in for Mo's 2nd. Endo was solid as well, his passing is very, very good and a nice surprise. Mac's range of passing is vital in that role and Endo has a similar skillset. Hopefully his sharpness improves the more he plays because this league is so fast. Great 50/50 as well, never shy's out of a tackle which I love

Matip (and Gomez as well) have had a complete renaissance compared to last season. Long may it continue. I'd be tempted to give him a new deal and bed Quansah in more (assuming he's happy to step back a little). VVD is back to his very best, he's the best in the world again. Ali is a monster, he's a freak when it comes to 1-on-1s

Our attack is the best in the league as well. Jota quietly having an unbelievable season. Nunez showing he can become the best in the world and Mo just being Mo. 10 goals in the league now after 11 games. It's a shame that freak plays for Abu Dhabi because it takes the shine off Mo in the media. He deserves all the plaudits, all the time

I fucking love this team. What we've managed to do this summer has been nothing short of a minor miracle. No team replaces their entire midfield and goes on to be this fucking good straight away but here we are. Everything is on the table this season and we should be looking to go for it all. Bring on City after the break

[b_joseph]

Probably was a foul and we've seen them being carded, but the point he was trying to make is that it shouldn't be a red card. All the ones he listed, in his opinion should be yellows and then we get on with the game, but VAR is making them Reds by showing stills and they really shouldn't be. So he listed a number of challenges, and included Curtis Jones, that shouldn't have resulted in Reds according to the rules, but VAR interviening makes it a red.

Thats how I saw it, too. Its not that you think its a red or a foul in isolation. But only when you watch other matches, that you see similar stuff be punished. Rightly or wrongly.

So it leads to a constant sense of injustice from all parties and all times. And nobody in the game appears able to fix it. Or even willing to admit there is an issue to start the process of fixing it.


It needs to be said again, just how well Virgil is playing again. Makes many of our summer fears look rather silly

[Indomitable_Carp]

Brilliant and much needed win after our mini-slump. Solid performances all over the pitch, with some brilliant performances from Virgil, Nuρez, Jota and (as always) Salah. Plus the almost obligatory one-on-one save from Allison.

The first disallowed goal was obviously frustrating - I still believe that the benefit of the doubt should be given to the attacking team with millimetre-marginal calls. I honestly didn't even think the Endo challenge was a foul, let alone a red card. Would have been completely outrageous, although not unexpected from Tierney. Game keeps getting softer and softer - getting to the stage where it might as well not even be considered a contact sport.

Besides all that, sets us up perfectly to take on City in two weeks.

[fowlermagic]

Excellent result against a decent side who pushed us at moments. We were very good on the break and slowly put the screw on them as Nunez two goals were written off but it was coming. Salah is Mr Cool, midfield were good although a little slow to get back at times as they had a couple of breaks where they should have done better. Anyway delighted to be sitting in second by mid November, bit under the radar really n a perfect springboard to the Christmas season.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Out of interest, could people watching at home hear the chants about Tierney or did the TV company mute it?

[tubby]

Out of interest, could people watching at home hear the chants about Tierney or did the TV company mute it?

Came across loud and clear on my stream, but it sounded more like it was the Brentford fans to me.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Came across loud and clear on my stream, but it sounded more like it was the Brentford fans to me.

The Brentford fans were singing 'Fuck off Tierney' after denying two goals and giving every decision against Liverpool?

Er.

What?!

[tubby]

The Brentford fans were singing 'Fuck off Tierney' after denying two goals and giving every decision against Liverpool?

Er.

What?!

Every decision?  Would love to have seen your reaction had a Brentford player gone in like Endo did on theirs and not get a card.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Every decision?  Would love to have seen your reaction had a Brentford player gone in like Endo did on theirs and not get a card.

Not sure you went to the game, but even those not normally pissed off were fucking fuming.

The ground spent about 20 minutes giving Tierney fucking dogs abuse. Not the first time he's fucked us.

Funniest thing was when he FINALLY gave us a single decision, the kop were singing 'We love you Tierney'

[keyop]

3 goals, 3 points, clean sheet, no new injuries, and up to 2nd place.

Despite the predictable overreaction to the Luton and Toulouse results from some on here, we are miles ahead of where we were last
season, by every possible metric (except maybe injuries...)

2022/23: P12 W4 D4 L4 F23 A15 GD8 Pts 16. Position 9th

2023/24: P12 W8 D3 L1 F27 A10 GD17 Pts 27. Position 2nd

So we are 11 points, 9 goals, and 7 places better off than at the same matchday last season. And this team is only just getting started. We are where we are - despite playing different combinations of players each week, having an entirely new midfield, losing many experienced heads in the summer, and having our usual bad luck with injuries. Massive kudos to Jurgen, the players, recruitment team, and the club for getting us to this position so quickly after last season's struggles.

It was a solid all round performance, and just what we needed to bounce back and go into the international break on a good note. Virgil was imperious and once again showed he still has so much to offer us in terms of ability, leadership and snuffing out danger quickly. Darwin was a menace throughout the first half, and I love his energy and tenacity and the crowd felt it too. Ali was excellent, despite a few scary moments playing out for the back - that fingertip save was vital and he does it time and again, knowing exactly where the goal is behind him, and exactly where to be when a striker is clean through.

Tsimikas was much improved, and some of his deliveries were right on the money - good to see him put in a solid performance. Mo was Mo, and is just outrageously consistent. Loved the way he just calmly nods the ball into the net whilst others stood still waving their arms. Endo was tenacious and tidy in possession, and wow - does he love to get stuck in - he is completely fearless and will only grow into the team as time goes on (although he'll still be judged by some people against peak Fabinho, or whichever player they wanted us to get in the summer instead). Loved that roar for Diaz, and I think he'll be in beast mode soon, now that his father has been returned safely.

Progress is rarely linear, and this team is gradually shaping up nicely into Jurgen's Liveprool 2.0 - all whilst other teams are dropping important points which allows us to have the occasional stumble but stay right near the top.

It's all good, plus we still have Mac, Jones, Gravenberch, Konate, Gomez, Robbo, Bajetic, and Thiago to come back in. Onwards and upwards 

[tubby]

Not sure you went to the game, but even those not normally pissed off were fucking fuming.

The ground spent about 20 minutes giving Tierney fucking dogs abuse. Not the first time he's fucked us.

I don't doubt it.  Just sounded like it had come from the Brentford fans on my stream.

Did Tierney actually screw us over in this match?  For the two offsides one was blatant and the other was marginal but looked off on the freeze frame, and he could very easily have sent Endo off if he wanted to.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

I don't doubt it.  Just sounded like it had come from the Brentford fans on my stream.

Did Tierney actually screw us over in this match?  For the two offsides one was blatant and the other was marginal but looked off on the freeze frame, and he could very easily have sent Endo off if he wanted to.

Every time we made a tackle, he gave a free kick against us. Every time we broke, he gave a free kick against us. Every 50/50 went Brentfords way.

The ground was going nuts.

[tubby]

Every time we made a tackle, he gave a free kick against us. Every time we broke, he gave a free kick against us. Every 50/50 went Brentfords way.

The ground was going nuts.

Actually, just had a read of some bits from the match and the Kop were chanting it after the Matip yellow, but I don't remember that coming across on my stream.  I think it was another incident that sounded like the Brentford fans.

But to be fair I was shouting at the monitor when the Matip yellow happened so maybe missed that chanting.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Actually, just had a read of some bits from the match and the Kop were chanting it after the Matip yellow, but I don't remember that coming across on my stream.  I think it was another incident that sounded like the Brentford fans.

But to be fair I was shouting at the monitor when the Matip yellow happened so maybe missed that chanting.

It went on for about 20 minutes or so.

Never heard anything like it at the match.

[Draex]

Is every Brentford player bar Mbeumo over 6 foot 2? They all seemed fucking giants.

[LuverlyRita]

Is every Brentford player bar Mbeumo over 6 foot 2? They all seemed fucking giants.

They did look huge and it's a credit to our defence that we coped with their set pieces - especially that period of multiple corners in the second half.

[Crosby Nick]

Is every Brentford player bar Mbeumo over 6 foot 2? They all seemed fucking giants.

Jensen is fairly small. Wissa not massive. But their three centre backs are all big grocks. And Ajer as a wing back is possibly bigger than all of them! Janelt and Norgaard are solid if not massive too.

Think that’s partly why we played Gakpo ahead of Harvey. Especially with Tsimikas playing (was Gomez ill?). Needed that bit of extra height as they are a set piece threat.

[William Regal]

Mad to think we'd be sitting top of the prem if we had just managed a win at Luton or if we hadn't been cheated spurs.

Anyone else getting a bit worried about how easily teams seem to be playing through our press? Average teams like Luton, Toulouse, and Brentford seem to be able to do it regularly

[Hestoic]

Mad to think we'd be sitting top of the prem if we had just managed a win at Luton or if we hadn't been cheated spurs.

Anyone else getting a bit worried about how easily teams seem to be playing through our press? Average teams like Luton, Toulouse, and Brentford seem to be able to do it regularly

No, because like you said, we should be sitting top of the league. This team will figure it out.

[darragh85]

He is a bit of a wanker, to be Frank about it.

[Barneylfc∗]

that’s what fucked me off about that, he was trying to get Endo sent off. Nothing wrong with him. Both players made contact with each other, but one was honest and got on with it, the other feigned injury.   Endo was a bit lucky not to get booked today, but otherwise, a solid enough game, stepping into a game he likely wouldn't have started, he like Tsimikas are two squad players who performed their roles well for the team today and helped get the 3 points.

Matip and Virgil where very good, the goals where great, all in all a deserved win and done with a few injuries having piled up.

Challenges like that always remind me of the one Shelvey got sent off for against Ferguson's Man United. I think the United player was Jonny Evans.
Both went full blooded into it, but Evans made a meal of it and got Shelvey sent off. There was no difference to the way Evans went into that challenge than Shelvey.

[PhilV]

Is Thomas Frank out of his mind?

Saying Endos challenge was the same as Rashfords 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

You fucking nutcase

It's not even a foul

I honestly feel like most on here interpreted what he said very differently to how I did.

He simply said if Curtis, Rashford and others were reds, then Endo should have been red. He is correct in saying that, because they WEREN'T red card offenses, which he also said btw. He said there is no consistency, similar situations get different outcomes, that's what his problem is and I think it's valid.

[ScottScott]

Challenges like that always remind me of the one Shelvey got sent off for against Ferguson's Man United. I think the United player was Jonny Evans.
Both went full blooded into it, but Evans made a meal of it and got Shelvey sent off. There was no difference to the way Evans went into that challenge than Shelvey.

There was, Evans went in high and with his studs up, Shelvey didn't. If you're going to roll around after a 50/50, just don't go in for it