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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8320 on: May 5, 2024, 05:31:20 pm »
It's not easy beating a Pep team in the league at the Etihad mate, as you guys should know.

It's not easy beating them to a league title either, which you blow-ins wouldn't know.

But, hey, maybe if they sell enough copies of Captain Photo's prints you'll be able to buy yet another 100 million pound player  for lego head to have an "excellent season" of winning fuck all.

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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8321 on: May 5, 2024, 05:41:17 pm »
It's not easy beating a Pep team in the league at the Etihad mate, as you guys should know.

Think you need to differentiate between those who are discussing and those who are venting. Especially in the next couple of seasons.

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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8322 on: May 5, 2024, 06:30:06 pm »
Think you need to differentiate between those who are discussing and those who are venting. Especially in the next couple of seasons.

The king of hyperbole wants a "discussion" now hahaha. When you login in to here before work on this Liverpool forum on Monday morning before work like you always do I'll meet you for a discussion so.

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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8323 on: May 5, 2024, 06:35:32 pm »
:D A valid question!

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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8324 on: May 5, 2024, 06:36:44 pm »
The king of hyperbole wants a "discussion" now hahaha. When you login in to here before work on this Liverpool forum on Monday morning before work like you always do I'll meet you for a discussion so.

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This one is to be filed under “venting”

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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8325 on: May 5, 2024, 06:44:14 pm »
The king of hyperbole wants a "discussion" now hahaha. When you login in to here before work on this Liverpool forum on Monday morning before work like you always do I'll meet you for a discussion so.

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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8326 on: May 5, 2024, 06:45:50 pm »
Monday's a bank holiday :P

After a nice Arsenal fan lie in, it's straight on to a Liverpool forum then around 11.

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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8327 on: May 5, 2024, 07:39:40 pm »
Dont think it’s fair to compare Arteta to Klopp , he’s achieved nothing yet, Klopp is an all time great (4 CL finals? Including Dortmunds) . Hes only 42 though Arteta, and has now finished above Klopp 2 seasons running, with arguably a worse squad. Thats an incredible standard hes got to because even though I rated him highly i thought 3rd might be his ceiling below Klopp and the Oil baron.

I don’t think this is quite right. Maybe prior to the season people thought the 2022-23 Liverpool Squad was better but in retrospect it’s hard to say that because of the progress Arsenal made and the regression the older players in the Liverpool squad saw.

This season, whilst I think we have a deeper squad and a squad with a higher level of potential, it’s our first season together as a unit, and nobody expected anything other than a season in transition, which I believe is what we’ve seen, even if it’s a high quality transition season, that just points to the potential of the squad.

Arsenal’s first XI and squad is more settled than Liverpool’s currently and I’d suggest their first XI is currently better. Which in truth it should be given the gamble they’ve made on spending as much as they have over the last few seasons.

He has surpassed many people’s expectations though, and deserves credit. He is in the tier below the top managers still, but seems the most likely to join them, in the future.

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Its not just Arteta though, credit to Edu and the board for believing that with investment we can become city’s closest challengers, seemed like a pipe dream to many, they put the money behind a manager who has never managed before and believed that he would break us from the pack to join the top 2. There was zero evidence that he deserved such backing other than their belief in him and its worked spectacularly.

Undoubtedly you are a well run club, which you’ve always been historically and even were for the best part of the last 20 years, even if you were playing the long game; it’s put you in an fantastic position now.

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Arteta is also 11 years younger than Pep. I think he ll win everything in time. Hopefully itll be at Arsenal.
I think next season we ll break 90 points. Our squad isn’t complete even if our first 11 can now compete with anyone. We ll have to break 90 points anyway because the idea that the cheats are regressing always gets floated about then they win the lot.

I don’t necessarily think he’ll win everything, especially at Arsenal; mostly because it’s tough to bet on Arsenal in European Competition. It’s just a very hard hurdle to get over when history is against you. If he does that he could go down as your greatest ever.

I’m also not convinced you’ll improve next year on your points total. In many ways, I think you’ve been fortunate this year and with the added games next year in the champions league, it’s going to be hard for anyone to improve. Add into that your cup runs or lack thereof and I think the added games that are likely to come will take a toll on you.

I do think City have regressed in the league over the last two seasons and most stats suggest the same. Part of that is the change of system with Haaland giving them less control, leading to them suffering defensively in games, and part I believe is a calculated gamble on Pep’s part to risk getting a slightly lower points total in the league, to increase their chances in Europe and other competitions, by rotating more when necessary. Its a gamble that mostly seems to be working. I think that was inspired by our near miss at the quadruple and how we achieved it.

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The cheats totals dropped last season, but they won the treble, and will win a double this season. And will have unlimited funds and unlimited sponsorship money to buy anyone in the summer. So Arteta might have to reach Klopp levels of points totals to finish above them, which was ridiculous then and it’s ridiculous now.

De Bruyne we will leave at some point and he’s is in my view their best player ever; that will have an impact. As will Pep going when he eventually does, and the eventual fall out of the punishment from the charges, which should conclude during next season.

It’s taken some time, but in the long run I think the best run clubs are rising to the top and the cheats / badly run clubs are going to get their comeuppance. It is completely clear now, but I think PSR is beginning to work which will see us two competing more often at the top, with the others left playing catch up.
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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8328 on: May 5, 2024, 08:13:46 pm »
The king of hyperbole wants a "discussion" now hahaha. When you login in to here before work on this Liverpool forum on Monday morning before work like you always do I'll meet you for a discussion so.

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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8329 on: May 5, 2024, 08:19:06 pm »
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We're all saddos talking to strangers on a forum mate. We are just judged as slightly sadder because it's another club's forum. Then you have a look into Arsenal forums and realise why we do it!  ;D

This is the content we come for. Good post mikey.

Which explains why its sometimes nice, to debate with other fans, from time to time.  ;D
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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8330 on: May 5, 2024, 09:13:34 pm »
Generally agree with Mikeys points above, maybe hes more optimistic than me about city’s future. I dont see anything happening to them in terms of the 115 charges anyway. They still have a world class squad and pep, and the likes of foden and haaland are still very young. These cheating c*nts will need some shifting.

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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8331 on: May 5, 2024, 09:32:28 pm »
Generally agree with Mikeys points above, maybe hes more optimistic than me about city’s future. I dont see anything happening to them in terms of the 115 charges anyway. They still have a world class squad and pep, and the likes of foden and haaland are still very young. These cheating c*nts will need some shifting.

Worry is someone like Alonso goes there next year if Pep does go. Chelsea and United are proof that money alone isn't enough. But United under Ferguson is also proof that money, shrewd recruitment, winning mentality and systemic corruption is a good combination for long term success. Obviously as soon as Ferguson went most of those things went with him.

Obviously City aren't stupid enough to go out and appoint David Moyes to replace Guardiola. If United had replaced Ferguson with Guardiola or Klopp then they'd have kept winning titles.
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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8332 on: May 5, 2024, 09:52:31 pm »
Worry is someone like Alonso goes there next year if Pep does go. Chelsea and United are proof that money alone isn't enough. But United under Ferguson is also proof that money, shrewd recruitment, winning mentality and systemic corruption is a good combination for long term success. Obviously as soon as Ferguson went most of those things went with him.

Obviously City aren't stupid enough to go out and appoint David Moyes to replace Guardiola. If United had replaced Ferguson with Guardiola or Klopp then they'd have kept winning titles.

The structural issues at United would have impacted any manager, in my opinion: Ferguson left them needing massive changes to an aging squad and without the structure to implement that change. I don’t know if he’s to blame for it, or the Glazers, but I certainly wouldn’t it past the egotistical prick to prefer the side collapsing to continuing to produce.

In that situation; I actually think Guardiola would have struggled to succeed. Klopp is the only manager I can think of who might have made it work, in my opinion, because of the type of job he has shown he can do and because of his personality.

City and Guardiola are a match made in heaven (or hell from our perspective). He suits them perfectly. If he were to leave, I think they’d still be contenders but drop to a low to mid 80 point side who competed less in other trophies too. His psychotic drive for perfection in his image without any focus on the issues it causes through the means he is using is a recipe for an unrelenting machine.
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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8333 on: May 5, 2024, 10:04:16 pm »
I suppose the question is. Right now, would be, would arteta be likely to win more as lfc boss than slott? Obviously we'd hate to win with his style, but does 2nd twice in a league with klopp's Liverpool and peps city make a better cv than slott's?
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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8334 on: May 5, 2024, 10:49:19 pm »
Worry is someone like Alonso goes there next year if Pep does go. Chelsea and United are proof that money alone isn't enough. But United under Ferguson is also proof that money, shrewd recruitment, winning mentality and systemic corruption is a good combination for long term success. Obviously as soon as Ferguson went most of those things went with him.

Obviously City aren't stupid enough to go out and appoint David Moyes to replace Guardiola. If United had replaced Ferguson with Guardiola or Klopp then they'd have kept winning titles.

Yeh Ferguson was a narcissist and didnt want United to win once he goes so he appointed the chosen one.

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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8335 on: May 5, 2024, 11:05:03 pm »
I suppose the question is. Right now, would be, would arteta be likely to win more as lfc boss than slott? Obviously we'd hate to win with his style, but does 2nd twice in a league with klopp's Liverpool and peps city make a better cv than slott's?


I dont think Slott has been hired for his CV in dutch football. Ten haag is all conquering there. Liverpool must believe in his potential.

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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8336 on: May 6, 2024, 07:48:20 am »
I suppose the question is. Right now, would be, would arteta be likely to win more as lfc boss than slott? Obviously we'd hate to win with his style, but does 2nd twice in a league with klopp's Liverpool and peps city make a better cv than slott's?

I don’t think he would, not because Slot is better but because personality is important to Liverpool fans and I don’t think we’d buy into Arteta as our manager.
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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8337 on: May 6, 2024, 08:06:29 am »
I don’t think he would, not because Slot is better but because personality is important to Liverpool fans and I don’t think we’d buy into Arteta as our manager.
But if arteta won the first, I dunno, 20 games on the trot. I doubt wed be too pissed off.
I know we are hiring slott for potential, but arteta is in touching distance of a first league win since forever for arsenal. And if not for the cheats pretty much home and dry for his second. (and if my aunt had balls etc). It feels as if arteta can still learn a bit too. Though I don't imagine he can go up another level. Maybe, with hindsight and experience he goes all out for that win against city. If that result is the difference between title and not he's done OK.  And it yet might turn out to have been the right decision. (no idea if there's a scenario where he wins it with a point whereas as going for it and losing that game would swing it the other way)
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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8338 on: May 6, 2024, 09:37:33 am »
Were just in a phase with elite players and very good manager. Whether its good enough to pip City, remains to be seen. Bookmakers give us a 30% chance of winning the league. Just need to keep going
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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8339 on: May 6, 2024, 09:45:26 am »
You don't have any elite players

Saka, Odegaard, Rice, Saliba 

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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8340 on: May 6, 2024, 09:47:47 am »
I dont think Slott has been hired for his CV in dutch football. Ten haag is all conquering there. Liverpool must believe in his potential.
What else would he be hired on? He's won the league with Feyenoord and had AZ joint top (but second) when the league was stopped for Covid. So demonstrable results with two different clubs. He's not "potential".

Slot's teams play in a similar way to us, which is why Ten Haag comparisons are lazy. He won with the Ajax structure behind him and was totally lost when he went to structureless United.

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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8341 on: May 6, 2024, 09:48:39 am »
Saka, Odegaard, Rice, Saliba 
They are all very good players, no doubt. What have they done/won to be considered elite?

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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8342 on: May 6, 2024, 09:53:30 am »
Arsenal could end up with nothing after a season with close to 90 points, 60+ GD, conceding the fewest goals and scoring nearly 100 goals. They'll know how we have felt.
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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8343 on: May 6, 2024, 09:56:45 am »
But if arteta won the first, I dunno, 20 games on the trot. I doubt wed be too pissed off.
I know we are hiring slott for potential, but arteta is in touching distance of a first league win since forever for arsenal. And if not for the cheats pretty much home and dry for his second. (and if my aunt had balls etc). It feels as if arteta can still learn a bit too. Though I don't imagine he can go up another level. Maybe, with hindsight and experience he goes all out for that win against city. If that result is the difference between title and not he's done OK.  And it yet might turn out to have been the right decision. (no idea if there's a scenario where he wins it with a point whereas as going for it and losing that game would swing it the other way)

Not sure these comparisons are helpful for Slott. New league, more pressures, different standards of players and opposition, at one of the biggest clubs in the world,he ll need time. It might take him a season to get to grips with things. To start comparing him with Arteta already is tough(Arteta had 4 years to build). Even Klopp didn’t finish above Arteta in his last 2 seasons.

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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8344 on: May 6, 2024, 10:01:57 am »
Not sure these comparisons are helpful for Slott. New league, more pressures, different standards of players and opposition, at one of the biggest clubs in the world,he ll need time. It might take him a season to get to grips with things. To start comparing him with Arteta already is tough(Arteta had 4 years to build). Even Klopp didn’t finish above Arteta in his last 2 seasons.

Good point.

Reds fans will need to show patience.

For example: Pochettino has only just recently found his 'best team' and it is starting to pay off.

Arteta was the same - it took time - the FA Cup win bought him time - but plenty of Arsenal fans were calling for him to go in those first two seasons (no, not ALL - but plenty were, all the same).
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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8345 on: May 6, 2024, 10:02:54 am »
Arsenal could end up with nothing after a season with close to 90 points, 60+ GD, conceding the fewest goals and scoring nearly 100 goals. They'll know how we have felt.

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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8346 on: May 6, 2024, 10:04:32 am »
They are all very good players, no doubt. What have they done/won to be considered elite?

Rice won the Europa thingie, the media was full of it, remember?  :D
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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8348 on: May 6, 2024, 10:08:48 am »
I think Arsenal will do it.

Fulham and Spurs away. I think City trip up in one of those fixtures.

Good luck to them if they do. Fuck City. Cheating fucking bastards.

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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8349 on: May 6, 2024, 10:21:45 am »
Good point.

Reds fans will need to show patience.

For example: Pochettino has only just recently found his 'best team' and it is starting to pay off.

Arteta was the same - it took time - the FA Cup win bought him time - but plenty of Arsenal fans were calling for him to go in those first two seasons (no, not ALL - but plenty were, all the same).

Unfortunately a sizeable amount wanted him gone at one stage. Probably 40% of the deluded fan base. I wouldnt expect Liverpool fans to embarrass themselves in the same way, but these days with social media etc it doesnt take much to set people off.

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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8350 on: May 6, 2024, 10:22:49 am »
I think Arsenal will do it.

Fulham and Spurs away. I think City trip up in one of those fixtures.

Good luck to them if they do. Fuck City. Cheating fucking bastards.

Its only Fulham. Spurs players … actually it doesn’t matter if Spurs try or not.

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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8351 on: May 6, 2024, 10:37:18 am »
Saka, Odegaard, Rice, Saliba
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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8352 on: May 6, 2024, 10:38:53 am »
Its only Fulham. Spurs players … actually it doesn’t matter if Spurs try or not.
Monday night is a key game. If we beat Villa then Spurs know a win against City gives them a great chance of top 4. If villa win, it’s done and Tuesday becomes a nothing match for them. Villa last match is against a rejuvenated palace, spurs have Sheffield United. Villa really could do with beating us.
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« Reply #8353 on: May 6, 2024, 10:39:48 am »
Monday night is a key game. If we beat Villa then Spurs know a win against City gives them a great chance of top 4. If villa win, it’s done and Tuesday becomes a nothing match for them.
Yesterday was a must-win for them too :D (Villa lost, you know?)

It seems like they've checked out mentally.

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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8354 on: May 6, 2024, 10:40:50 am »
Yesterday was a must-win for them too :D

It seems like they've checked out mentally.
Away games against the big six are always tough. Yes they were shit but city have a horrendous record at spurs. That game isn’t a foregone conclusion.

Liverpool away is the second hardest fixture for most teams in the league.
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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8355 on: May 6, 2024, 10:41:37 am »
Monday night is a key game. If we beat Villa then Spurs know a win against City gives them a great chance of top 4. If villa win, it’s done and Tuesday becomes a nothing match for them.

Absolutely, i hope you smash villa .

We still need to win at United first. We lose there every season no matter how shit they are.

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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8356 on: May 6, 2024, 10:42:03 am »
Away games against the big six are always tough. Yes they were shit but city have a horrendous record at spurs. That game isn’t a foregone conclusion.
We had nothing to play for and we aren't in great form. For a team with a decent chance of making the top 4, they were embarrassing yesterday.

Logically, they should have at least wanted it more than us.

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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8357 on: May 6, 2024, 10:43:38 am »
We had nothing to play for and we aren't in great form. For a team with a decent chance of making the top 4, they were embarrassing yesterday.
We’re still a good side. We were excellent between minutes 15 and 70 yesterday, better teams than spurs would have been well beaten as well.
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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8358 on: May 6, 2024, 10:44:14 am »
Absolutely, i hope you smash villa .

We still need to win at United first. We lose there every season no matter how shit they are.
Interesting game for sure but they are utter shit. Be amazed if you don’t win that.
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Re: Arsenal: Top of the divers league
« Reply #8359 on: May 6, 2024, 10:47:07 am »
Unfortunately a sizeable amount wanted him gone at one stage. Probably 40% of the deluded fan base. I wouldnt expect Liverpool fans to embarrass themselves in the same way, but these days with social media etc it doesnt take much to set people off.

Sadly, we see some terrible posts/comments from 'fans' who have no patience- and very little knowledge. The Twitter/X generation are scary.
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