Topic: Those chants

[Oh Jimmy Jimmy]

yeah, but the point is the same.  Chelsea used to be a working class Club back in the 60s with a bedrock of support from places like Battersea and Wandsworth, before those places became gentrified.  By the 80s, their support came from 2nd generation out of London new town places like Hemel, Bracknell etc - these supporters lacked a cultural identity (their parents were cockneys and they heard all the stories, but they were not) and so Chelsea became that identity.

A big part of this was the National Front, which used the Bridge as a recruiting ground. The national team was also hijacked by these Chelsea / NF scum, and any self respecting middle class fans deserted them for a club like Fulham.

Now, after 25 years of continual success, their support is much more diverse, but they still have these 2nd and 3rd generation whoopers - I even saw one on Sunday wearing an "I am English" badge.

I was sitting in Club Wembley at their end on Sunday and most supporters around me were reds (without wearing red of course).  That's why playing an Irish anti-English rebel song at the end of the game was even more enjoyable - the looks on their faces

[Redley]

Winnersh has a lot of Chelsea fans too.

[Fromola]

It's not the first time Fromola has done it, and it's not the first time he's been called out on it either.  Ironic that in a thread about derogatory stuff being aimed at people, he's doing the exact same thing about the good people of Slough.

I just named a couple of random places. Not being derogatory to the people there, what I said was people of a certain mindset. People from 'insert random town' whose identity is the England flag, the union jack and the royal family. This is a big part of Chelsea's fan culture (and they align heavily with Rangers).

Not saying there's anything wrong with that per se, by the way,  there isn't, but they hate us because our pride is perceived to be in the city rather than the country and we're not cap doffers.

[tubby]

I just named a couple of random places. Not being derogatory to the people there, what I said was people of a certain mindset. People from 'insert random town' whose identity is the England flag, the union jack and the royal family.

Not saying there's anything wrong with that by the way,  there isn't, but they hate us because our pride is perceived to be in the city rather than the country and we're not cap doffers.

That's twice now that I've seen where you've named Slough as being full of Chelsea fans, when it's not the case at all.  That's all I'm saying.

[Fromola]

yeah, but the point is the same.  Chelsea used to be a working class Club back in the 60s with a bedrock of support from places like Battersea and Wandsworth, before those places became gentrified.  By the 80s, their support came from 2nd generation out of London new town places like Hemel, Bracknell etc - these supporters lacked a cultural identity (their parents were cockneys and they heard all the stories, but they were not) and so Chelsea became that identity.

A big part of this was the National Front, which used the Bridge as a recruiting ground. The national team was also hijacked by these Chelsea / NF scum, and any self respecting middle class fans deserted them for a club like Fulham.

Now, after 25 years of continual success, their support is much more diverse, but they still have these 2nd and 3rd generation whoopers - I even saw one on Sunday wearing an "I am English" badge.

I was sitting in Club Wembley at their end on Sunday and most supporters around me were reds (without wearing red of course).  That's why playing an Irish anti-English rebel song at the end of the game was even more enjoyable - the looks on their faces

Sums them up how eager so many are to say they aren't chanting 'fuck the Tories' but 'fuck the Scousers'.

Fuck the Tories is chanted in response to the poverty mocking guff from them. God forbid anyone could think they were saying anything about the Tories that have run the country into the ground for the last 14 years

[Fromola]

That's twice now that I've seen where you've named Slough as being full of Chelsea fans, when it's not the case at all.  That's all I'm saying.

It was a singular reference. 'A Chelsea fan from x'. I wasn’t meaning to cause offence. I've nothing against the place.

[JP!]

Winnersh has a lot of Chelsea fans too.

Taplow. Didcot. Yately. Because they're their own boss, they can-BURFIELD.

[FlashingBlade]

Well, the people of Slough.

Wasnt there ' a row going on down near Slough', once?

[Samie]

Who's in the Slough crew? Amir, Nick, and Fatty?

[tubby]

Who's in the Slough crew? Amir, Nick, and Fatty?

Isn't Tepid knocking about round that way?  Or am I thinking of someone else.

[Baby Huey]

Wasnt there ' a row going on down near Slough', once?

"Get out your mat and pray to the West
I'll get out mine and pray for myself".

[Crosby Nick]

Who's in the Slough crew? Amir, Nick, and Fatty?

Eating trifle, we’re eating trifle.

[kesey]

yeah, but the point is the same.  Chelsea used to be a working class Club back in the 60s with a bedrock of support from places like Battersea and Wandsworth, before those places became gentrified.  By the 80s, their support came from 2nd generation out of London new town places like Hemel, Bracknell etc - these supporters lacked a cultural identity (their parents were cockneys and they heard all the stories, but they were not) and so Chelsea became that identity.

A big part of this was the National Front, which used the Bridge as a recruiting ground. The national team was also hijacked by these Chelsea / NF scum, and any self respecting middle class fans deserted them for a club like Fulham.

Now, after 25 years of continual success, their support is much more diverse, but they still have these 2nd and 3rd generation whoopers - I even saw one on Sunday wearing an "I am English" badge.

I was sitting in Club Wembley at their end on Sunday and most supporters around me were reds (without wearing red of course).  That's why playing an Irish anti-English rebel song at the end of the game was even more enjoyable - the looks on their faces

What song is this mate ? Iam just being inquisitive by the way . 

[Caps4444]

Not chants……but some disgusting comments on the Notts Forest forum.

[TheCunningScorpion]

What song is this mate ? Iam just being inquisitive by the way .

Fields of Anfield Road.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Not chants……but some disgusting comments on the Notts Forest forum.

What do you expect when their child abusing hero went to his brave blaming us.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

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Chelsea fans at it again yesterday at the Final...

https://twitter.com/jahin14/status/1761836817362375039 & https://twitter.com/lfcalsty99/status/1762084448789524935 & https://twitter.com/Mfrackgrant/status/1762055046890467406 & https://twitter.com/frosland/status/1761899053300801627 & https://twitter.com/DanReilly92/status/1761827121763074441 & https://twitter.com/RabbitRabbitOn/status/1761746092293603329 & https://twitter.com/fellwalker10/status/1761869688424833328 & https://twitter.com/thisisanfield/status/1761774987084521919


and this 19 year old Chelsea social media 'content creator' and 'influencer'...

https://twitter.com/yassin_cfc/status/1761596092687212769


^ and despite his later claims and 'apology'... he then urges all his followers to 'spam' the number 97..

https://twitter.com/Zee_MUFC99/status/1761895255668826495

Why hasn't this bastards twatter account been banned & the Police arrested him yet ?

[Barneylfc∗]

Fields of Anfield Road.

That's not an Irish rebel song and nothing to do with the English.

[TheCunningScorpion]

That's not an Irish rebel song and nothing to do with the English.

I never said it was, I was just replying to a comment asking what song another poster was talking about.

[butchersdog]

it definitely feels a lot more "loaded" than what a manc/geordie/cockney/whatever might get - and i'm not even scouse myself.

i think tragedy chanting and anything against protected minorities (race/sexuality/gender identity/disability/etc) should be completely stamped out. but there's probably a line somewhere near 'scouse bastard' where it maybe gets a bit messy and hard to police, unfortunately.

Never understood why personally. I think (?) it’s illegal to abuse or be prejudicial towards people based upon where they’re from, their cultural identity, etc. I actually think it’s no harder to police than any other kind of abuse of this kind. In fact, if thousands of people are chanting it, it makes it much easier.

[thejbs]

You’re more likely to have your car stolen or broken into in Leeds, London, Manchester and Newcastle. You’re more likely to be unemployed in Newcastle, Manchester, London, Leeds and Birmingham. You’re more likely to experience poverty in Manchester, Birmingham and Newcastle.  If you’re in Newcastle and Leeds you’re more likely to need a food bank. You’re more likely to be robbed in London, Leeds, Manchester, Nottingham. And you’re more likely to ‘sign on’ in London, Manchester and Birmingham (and as likely in Newcastle).

But yet, this stereotype created by the Tories in the 80s, to beat down a city that defied them, perpetuates. Keep the proles beating each other down while we look away from the land-grabbers and elitist spongers. God save the King. Sign on… sign on… fuck them all.

[keeby]

You’re more likely to have your car stolen or broken into in Leeds, London, Manchester and Newcastle. You’re more likely to be unemployed in Newcastle, Manchester, London, Leeds and Birmingham. You’re more likely to experience poverty in Manchester, Birmingham and Newcastle.  If you’re in Newcastle and Leeds you’re more likely to need a food bank. You’re more likely to be robbed in London, Leeds, Manchester, Nottingham. And you’re more likely to ‘sign on’ in London, Manchester and Birmingham (and as likely in Newcastle).

But yet, this stereotype created by the Tories in the 80s, to beat down a city that defied them, perpetuates. Keep the proles beating each other down while we look away from the land-grabbers and elitist spongers. God save the King. Sign on… sign on… fuck them all.

Superb that jbs !

[kesey]

Fields of Anfield Road.

I wouldn't class that as a rebel song though .  We should make songs to Oro Se Do Bheatha Bhaile  or The Foggy Dew but I reckon we should make one to Come you Black and Tans as it's a catchier tune.

I was born on the Spion Kop .... were we like to sing a lot.....

Thoughts ?   

[rob1966]

That's not an Irish rebel song and nothing to do with the English.

Just to do with the English landowner that has a fella sent to Australia isn't it?

[kesey]

That's not an Irish rebel song and nothing to do with the English.

Agreed.

[kesey]

Just to do with the English landowner that has a fella sent to Australia isn't it?

Back Home in Derry is a beauty !!

Edit . Ive actually met Dixie who apparantly wrote it with Bobby in a cell.

[kesey]

We use to sing a song to we are long road in the 60's which then it merged into the soldiers song . I'll write the words down when Iam not as busy.

[Kloppage Time]

That's not an Irish rebel song and nothing to do with the English.

The original song is about an Irish boy from Athenry County Galway who during the "famine" steals corn from a british landowner destined to feed the british army, very much regarded as a rebel song here.

By a lonely prison wall
I heard a young girl calling
"Michael, they have taken you away
For you stole Trevelyan's corn
So the young might see the morn
Now a prison ship lies waiting in the bay"
Low lie the fields of Athenry
Where once we watched the small free birds fly
Our love was on the wing we had dreams and songs to sing
It's so lonely 'round the fields of Athenry
By a lonely prison wall
I heard a young man calling
"Nothing matters, Mary, when you're free
Against the famine and the crown
I rebelled, they cut me down
Now you must raise our child with dignity"
Low lie the fields of Athenry
Where once we watched the small free birds fly
Our love was on the wing we had dreams and songs to sing
It's so lonely 'round the fields of Athenry
By a lonely harbour wall
She watched the last star falling
As that prison ship sailed out against the sky
For she lived in hope and pray
For her love in Botany Bay
It's so lonely 'round the fields of Athenry
Low lie the fields of Athenry
Where once we watched the small free birds fly
Our love was on the wing we had dreams and songs to sing
It's so lonely 'round the fields of Athenry

[Kloppage Time]

I wouldn't class that as a rebel song though .  We should make songs to Oro Se Do Bheatha Bhaile  or The Foggy Dew but I reckon we should make one to Come you Black and Tans as it's a catchier tune.

I was born on the Spion Kop .... were we like to sing a lot.....

Thoughts ?   

Dearg Doom seems ready made (red destroyer)

[Indomitable_Carp]

It's to the tune of Fields of Anthenry, and you could argue draws on the massive historical Irish influence in the city of Liverpool, but Fields of Anfield Road is about our great club, and our great club only. You might as well say Poor Scouser Tommy is a loyalist song, because it breaks into the tune of "Sash My Father War", and again could be argued to draw on the city of Liverpool's equally strong Protestant Unionist tradition. But it's not. It's an LFC song. As it should be.

[kesey]

The original song is about an Irish boy from Athenry County Galway who during the "famine" steals corn from a british landowner destined to feed the british army, very much regarded as a rebel song here.

By a lonely prison wall
I heard a young girl calling
"Michael, they have taken you away
For you stole Trevelyan's corn
So the young might see the morn
Now a prison ship lies waiting in the bay"
Low lie the fields of Athenry
Where once we watched the small free birds fly
Our love was on the wing we had dreams and songs to sing
It's so lonely 'round the fields of Athenry
By a lonely prison wall
I heard a young man calling
"Nothing matters, Mary, when you're free
Against the famine and the crown
I rebelled, they cut me down
Now you must raise our child with dignity"
Low lie the fields of Athenry
Where once we watched the small free birds fly
Our love was on the wing we had dreams and songs to sing
It's so lonely 'round the fields of Athenry
By a lonely harbour wall
She watched the last star falling
As that prison ship sailed out against the sky
For she lived in hope and pray
For her love in Botany Bay
It's so lonely 'round the fields of Athenry
Low lie the fields of Athenry
Where once we watched the small free birds fly
Our love was on the wing we had dreams and songs to sing
It's so lonely 'round the fields of Athenry

Am , Em , Am , G , Am
Chorus C , Am and G I think .

You are right about what the songs about but I class it more of a yearn or a love song but , yes. It does have polical connotations.

[kesey]

Dearg Doom seems ready made (red destroyer)

I honestly don't think Iam familiar with that song.

[redgriffin73]

You’re more likely to have your car stolen or broken into in Leeds, London, Manchester and Newcastle. You’re more likely to be unemployed in Newcastle, Manchester, London, Leeds and Birmingham. You’re more likely to experience poverty in Manchester, Birmingham and Newcastle.  If you’re in Newcastle and Leeds you’re more likely to need a food bank. You’re more likely to be robbed in London, Leeds, Manchester, Nottingham. And you’re more likely to ‘sign on’ in London, Manchester and Birmingham (and as likely in Newcastle).

But yet, this stereotype created by the Tories in the 80s, to beat down a city that defied them, perpetuates. Keep the proles beating each other down while we look away from the land-grabbers and elitist spongers. God save the King. Sign on… sign on… fuck them all.

[kesey]

Ignore my guitar chord post that's Back Home In Derry . 

[Son of Spion]

You’re more likely to have your car stolen or broken into in Leeds, London, Manchester and Newcastle. You’re more likely to be unemployed in Newcastle, Manchester, London, Leeds and Birmingham. You’re more likely to experience poverty in Manchester, Birmingham and Newcastle.  If you’re in Newcastle and Leeds you’re more likely to need a food bank. You’re more likely to be robbed in London, Leeds, Manchester, Nottingham. And you’re more likely to ‘sign on’ in London, Manchester and Birmingham (and as likely in Newcastle).

But yet, this stereotype created by the Tories in the 80s, to beat down a city that defied them, perpetuates. Keep the proles beating each other down while we look away from the land-grabbers and elitist spongers. God save the King. Sign on… sign on… fuck them all.

[Barneylfc∗]

The original song is about an Irish boy from Athenry County Galway who during the "famine" steals corn from a british landowner destined to feed the british army, very much regarded as a rebel song here.

Genuinely don't know a single person that would class it as a rebel song, and I know a lot of people that enjoy their rebel songs 

Fairly sure the author of the song wrote it with the view that's it a lad trying to feed his family and nothing against the British.

[Ray K]

I honestly don't think Iam familiar with that song.

Horslips, 1970s song.

The Irish world cup song of 1990 (Put them under pressure) used the guitar riff from the horslips

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/k6NzIOEv0Sg" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/k6NzIOEv0Sg</a>

[Kloppage Time]

Genuinely don't know a single person that would class it as a rebel song, and I know a lot of people that enjoy their rebel songs 

Fairly sure the author of the song wrote it with the view that's it a lad trying to feed his family and nothing against the British.

I believe he knew what he was writing:

The lyrics say the convict's crime is that he "stole Trevelyan's corn"; this is a reference to Charles Edward Trevelyan, a senior English civil servant in the administration of the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland in Dublin Castle. Trevelyan famously said, "the judgement of God sent the calamity (Famine) to teach the Irish a lesson".

[Son of Spion]

Ignore my guitar chord post that's Back Home In Derry . 

I'm glad you posted this, because I was going to use your chords to try to play Fields of Athenry on my synth later tonight. I'd have got into all kinds of trouble, seeing as it's not actually FoA. 

[Son of Spion]

I believe he knew what he was writing:

The lyrics say the convict's crime is that he "stole Trevelyan's corn"; this is a reference to Charles Edward Trevelyan, a senior English civil servant in the administration of the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland in Dublin Castle. Trevelyan famously said, "the judgement of God sent the calamity (Famine) to teach the Irish a lesson".

This bit adds weight to the rebel aspect..

"Nothing matters, Mary, when you're free
Against the famine and the crown
I rebelled, they cut me down
Now you must raise our child with dignity"