Topic: Get out of our country yer gang of fucking bellends. TORIES OUT!

[reddebs]

there's no such thing as a half decent Tory Deb

I know that mate but we wouldn't be in quite such a mess if they'd actually done something other than cut back and sell on.

[Red-Soldier]

 

Nadine Dorries
@NadineDorries
Three years of a progressive Tory government being washed down the drain. Levelling up, dumped. Social care reform, dumped. Keeping young and vulnerable people safe online, watered down. A bonfire of EU leg, not happening. Sale of C4 giving back £2b reversed. Replaced with what?

[Jiminy Cricket]

there's no such thing as a half decent Tory Deb

How about a half-dead Tory?




I don't really mean it - but how could I resist!?

[Dr. Beaker]

How else will the homeless of the future get into finance?

[Schmarn]

Following Sunak's big speech and it was clear pretty quickly that it was little more than a fanciful, skin-deep wish list.  They are truly at that part of a long-running government where they are bereft of ideas and have no goal save for the preservation of their own power. Zero chance this cuts through with the public even with whatever support the propagandists at the Mail can offer.

The maths idea was clearly developed in a focus group full of geriatrics who'd like to return to the 1950s. Surely the real issue is that kids are leaving school at 16 without understanding mathematical basics (or English and Science basics for that matter) not that schools should be forced to include an element of maths for those progressing to A levels. Just shows how utterly detached he is from the real world.

[rob1966]

How about a half-dead Tory?




I don't really mean it - but how could I resist!?

I was thinking the exact same - except I mean it when it refers to the cabinet and other senior Tories

[Machae]

Apparently where rest of the Tories failed, he's the only one who can fix the economy. Its a shame he wasn't the chancellor previously then

[Studgotelli]

Speech was awful, fancy and wishful thinking with no action plans laid out. The maths thing I think is a good idea though.

Country is on an irreversible course regardless of the party but time for the tories to go...

[Nobby Reserve]

Following Sunak's big speech and it was clear pretty quickly that it was little more than a fanciful, skin-deep wish list.  They are truly at that part of a long-running government where they are bereft of ideas and have no goal save for the preservation of their own power. Zero chance this cuts through with the public even with whatever support the propagandists at the Mail can offer.

His 5 promises for the year seem to be:

1) Halving inflation
2) Grow the economy
3) Make sure national debt is falling
4) NHS waiting lists will fall
5) Pass new laws to stop small boats, swiftly remove illegal arrivals


That's quite clever framing by him.

1) Inflation will reduce - but it'll be due to nothing this government (or the BoE) will have done. It'll just be the energy cost inflationary spike working through the system, coupled with continuing easing of post-Covid global supply chain problems

2) The economy will come out of recession and grow in 2023. Largely as a result of inflation easing, which should see interest rates reducing (starting in the US). The Govt won't have done anything to cause growth. The UK will still have lower growth than our peers. But by making it a vague 'grow the economy', he will be able to claim success.

3) Given the insanely high point we're starting from, this should be achievable by the end of the year. And a bit of financial jiggery-pokery will get it over the line if not.

4) Again, given the massive waiting lists (compounded by Covid), this would happen anyway as the backlog is slowly worked through (but the NHS will still be in crisis)

5) Populist red meat for the Brexiteer crew. I doubt it'll make any difference. And 'illegal arrivals' will still not be quickly assessed and removed. And there still won't be a legal way for these people to apply to enter the country.


Set the bar low; include objectives that will come to pass anyway (he might as well say "I shall make the sun rise tomorrow morning" then claim credit when it does); declare yourself great when some/all of these objectives are 'achieved'; have a predominantly right-wing media keep declaring how wonderful you are and not mention just how shit everything still is.

It works on a gullible rump of oiks.

The maths idea was clearly developed in a focus group full of geriatrics who'd like to return to the 1950s. Surely the real issue is that kids are leaving school at 16 without understanding mathematical basics (or English and Science basics for that matter) not that schools should be forced to include an element of maths for those progressing to A levels. Just shows how utterly detached he is from the real world.

Part of the problem is that - through no fault of the teachers - teaching has become more about coaching kids to pass exams, not providing kids with a broad base of knowledge on any given subject that they can then tap into to write answers when taking exams.

[oldfordie]

Cowboy builders at it again.
Back again with more nice promises for the gullible to think Ohh I like the sound of that.
12 yrs destroying the country,  and now they want people to judge if they improve things slightly over the next 2 yrs.
 Only happens in politics, people would send these cowboys packing in any other walk of life if they came back with more nice promises if they give them the job.

[Craig S]

The maths thing I think is a good idea though.

I think it is stupid, and I have a Maths degree. It could discourage some wanting to stay in education for A levels beyond 16, as they are forced to do Maths, when they may want to do arts based courses.

[Schmarn]

I think it is stupid, and I have a Maths degree. It could discourage some wanting to stay in education for A levels beyond 16, as they are forced to do Maths, when they may want to do arts based courses.

Agreed. If we provided education of a half decent standard to state school kids they would have all they need from maths by the age of 16 (basic arithmetic, fractions, probability, basic trig and geometry etc). You might as well say we need to teach English to 18 or Science or History for that matter. As ever the Tories have no interest in the underlying causes of the problem. They just want to say something new and shiny in the hopes no one ever follows up on the detail.

[Studgotelli]

I think it is stupid, and I have a Maths degree. It could discourage some wanting to stay in education for A levels beyond 16, as they are forced to do Maths, when they may want to do arts based courses.

Fair enough, it was a good point that with the way the world is becoming more data driven, developing maths skills for everyone is very important. Many teens won't see the point at that age but when older would be likely to see the benefit if any. As long as its done in an accessible way, don't see an issue.

[Libertine]

I think it is stupid, and I have a Maths degree. It could discourage some wanting to stay in education for A levels beyond 16, as they are forced to do Maths, when they may want to do arts based courses.

Possibly.

It is mandatory in Ireland though. And over 90% of school kids sit the Leaving Cert. Although they generally do 7 subjects rather than 3-4 A-levels, so still have 4 options to choose from arts, sciences etc.

[Studgotelli]

Agreed. If we provided education of a half decent standard to state school kids they would have all they need from maths by the age of 16 (basic arithmetic, fractions, probability, basic trig and geometry etc). You might as well say we need to teach English to 18 or Science or History for that matter. As ever the Tories have no interest in the underlying causes of the problem. They just want to say something new and shiny in the hopes no one ever follows up on the detail.

Agree with that

[reddebs]

I keep seeing people saying the recession is only temporary and that inflation will drop next year due to energy cost reduction but how do you know that?

The energy thing for example.  Wholesale prices are still much higher than they were presumably or our prices would have dropped by now but in any case our prices should be much higher than they are due to the government price cap.

Surely that means come April when that no longer exists everybodies costs will shoot up, not come down?

Will that not mean inflation will be up again not down?

[Machae]

The public need to be better in English and critical thinking as well

[Studgotelli]

I keep seeing people saying the recession is only temporary and that inflation will drop next year due to energy cost reduction but how do you know that?

The energy thing for example.  Wholesale prices are still much higher than they were presumably or our prices would have dropped by now but in any case our prices should be much higher than they are due to the government price cap.

Surely that means come April when that no longer exists everybodies costs will shoot up, not come down?

Will that not mean inflation will be up again not down?

Recession will last into '24, inflation will drop this year and will turn into deflation as these idiots are still raising rates. This was gonna happen regardless of energy prices, it's a YOY comparison so any later energy price rises won't factor into this year's inflation readings immediately.

[Yorkykopite]

Sunak’s big education policy announced…

Compulsory maths until 18….

This is about Truss and Kwarteng again, is it?

[24/7]

The public need to be better in English and critical thinking as well

Advanced interpersonal communication skills should be mandatory.....forcing people to take maths beyond GCSE level just baffles me.

[PaulF]

The energy thing for example.  Wholesale prices are still much higher than they were presumably or our prices would have dropped by now but in any case our prices should be much higher than they are due to the government price cap.

The price of energy has stabilised. It will still be high but it won't be going up.
Though , as you say, when the cap comes off , the price may rise for the consumer.  Though hopefully energy prices will fall below the cap in 2023. Some of the price rise was due to Europe scrambling to fill up their gas reserves. This shouldn't be such a problem in 2023.

[Nobby Reserve]

I keep seeing people saying the recession is only temporary and that inflation will drop next year due to energy cost reduction but how do you know that?

The energy thing for example.  Wholesale prices are still much higher than they were presumably or our prices would have dropped by now but in any case our prices should be much higher than they are due to the government price cap.

Surely that means come April when that no longer exists everybodies costs will shoot up, not come down?

Will that not mean inflation will be up again not down?

Inflation measures the price of an item/service/commodity now against the price it was 12 months ago.

If everything increases suddenly by 10% in month one but didn't rise again that year, then you will have inflation of 10% for all of that year (as the price in any given month would be 10% higher than the price 12 months previously)

But, after 12 months (and assuming no other prices rises - for simpilicity reasons in this example), inflation would reduce to 0%.

Yes, everything is still 10% more expensive than it was before month one of the preceding year. But we're only comparing to the corresponding month 12 months ago to measure inflation.


Of course, it's more complex than that, and prices of different products increase a different rates. There's also going to be increased other (than energy) input costs filtering through over a prolonged period of time. But I can see inflation falling to 3-5% by the end of the year. Interest rates should begin to reduce before than, though.

You pose a good question regarding the energy price cap. Even with wholesale prices having reduced massively from the initial spike, they're still higher than they were before energy prices began to climb in autumn 2021. Expert opinion, though, suggests the energy price cap will actually fall from April, even if government assistance is minimalised.

[redbyrdz]

Agreed. If we provided education of a half decent standard to state school kids they would have all they need from maths by the age of 16 (basic arithmetic, fractions, probability, basic trig and geometry etc). You might as well say we need to teach English to 18 or Science or History for that matter. As ever the Tories have no interest in the underlying causes of the problem. They just want to say something new and shiny in the hopes no one ever follows up on the detail.

The problem is more the lack of support for weaker kids in school, not for how long they have to take a subject. Sitting through more years of maths without learning anything doesn't help.

The underlying problem to me is that the British education system is geared to select the best students and support them, and to hell with all the rest.

[west_london_red]

She’s completely fucking mental

[west_london_red]

Advanced interpersonal communication skills should be mandatory.....forcing people to take maths beyond GCSE level just baffles me.

Thing is it’s pretty scary how mathematically illiterate some people are, I have on more that a few occasions had to explain how averages and percentiles work to a grown adults.

[24/7]

Thing is it’s pretty scary how mathematically illiterate some people are, I have on more that a few occasions had to explain how averages and percentiles work to a grown adults.

........whereas I've seen an entire generation fail to pass on basic listening, intuitive conversation and empathy/rapport building skills. My entire career is based on something I learnt almost 30 years ago - and I could do the entire career over again and still not make a significant impact on grown adults' apparent inability to communicate. If I had kids in school, I'd rather they learn something along those lines at 17 rather than quadratic equations and logarithms. Once you get past GCSE level, what else mathematically speaking is needed to function?

[red1977]

Thing is it’s pretty scary how mathematically illiterate some people are, I have on more that a few occasions had to explain how averages and percentiles work to a grown adults.

Clearly you prioritised Maths over English   

[24/7]

Clearly you prioritised Maths over English   

#basiccommunicationinnit

[TepidT2O]

His 5 promises for the year seem to be:

1) Halving inflation
2) Grow the economy
3) Make sure national debt is falling
4) NHS waiting lists will fall
5) Pass new laws to stop small boats, swiftly remove illegal arrivals


That's quite clever framing by him.

1) Inflation will reduce - but it'll be due to nothing this government (or the BoE) will have done. It'll just be the energy cost inflationary spike working through the system, coupled with continuing easing of post-Covid global supply chain problems

2) The economy will come out of recession and grow in 2023. Largely as a result of inflation easing, which should see interest rates reducing (starting in the US). The Govt won't have done anything to cause growth. The UK will still have lower growth than our peers. But by making it a vague 'grow the economy', he will be able to claim success.

3) Given the insanely high point we're starting from, this should be achievable by the end of the year. And a bit of financial jiggery-pokery will get it over the line if not.

4) Again, given the massive waiting lists (compounded by Covid), this would happen anyway as the backlog is slowly worked through (but the NHS will still be in crisis)

5) Populist red meat for the Brexiteer crew. I doubt it'll make any difference. And 'illegal arrivals' will still not be quickly assessed and removed. And there still won't be a legal way for these people to apply to enter the country.


Set the bar low; include objectives that will come to pass anyway (he might as well say "I shall make the sun rise tomorrow morning" then claim credit when it does); declare yourself great when some/all of these objectives are 'achieved'; have a predominantly right-wing media keep declaring how wonderful you are and not mention just how shit everything still is.

It works on a gullible rump of oiks.



Part of the problem is that - through no fault of the teachers - teaching has become more about coaching kids to pass exams, not providing kids with a broad base of knowledge on any given subject that they can then tap into to write answers when taking exams.

The slimey insincere  c*nt..


Who does he think caused these fucking issues?

[PaulF]

........whereas I've seen an entire generation fail to pass on basic listening, intuitive conversation and empathy/rapport building skills. My entire career is based on something I learnt almost 30 years ago - and I could do the entire career over again and still not make a significant impact on grown adults' apparent inability to communicate. If I had kids in school, I'd rather they learn something along those lines at 17 rather than quadratic equations and logarithms. Once you get past GCSE level, what else mathematically speaking is needed to function?

Have you got any recommended reading for those skills?

[west_london_red]

........whereas I've seen an entire generation fail to pass on basic listening, intuitive conversation and empathy/rapport building skills. My entire career is based on something I learnt almost 30 years ago - and I could do the entire career over again and still not make a significant impact on grown adults' apparent inability to communicate. If I had kids in school, I'd rather they learn something along those lines at 17 rather than quadratic equations and logarithms. Once you get past GCSE level, what else mathematically speaking is needed to function?

I wouldn’t make more complex mathematics compulsory for 17 and 18 year olds, but if they struggled with GCSE Maths id focus more on those children at 17 and 18. Things like averages, percentages, interest, unit conversion come up all the time in your adult life and if you don’t understand them you’re at a huge disadvantage (something unscrupulous politicians often take advantage of). As for logarithms, knowing how to read those damn graphs came in pretty handy during the pandemic!

[west_london_red]

Clearly you prioritised Maths over English   

English was never my strong point to be fair!

[24/7]

Have you got any recommended reading for those skills?

Actually yes - my best mate (and former colleague from Back In The Day) just yesterday dropped a free resource. Check it out....absolutely looooaaaaads of good quality resources here. If you want private coaching, drop me a line

https://www.businesspotential.com/ (<--- can vouch that this is a genuine link)

[kavah]

This is about Truss and Kwarteng again, is it?

Ha ha

[TepidT2O]

Sunak is trying to bring in minimum strike legislation as soon as tomorrow…

It will let employers sue unions and sack employees.

What a c*nt.  If he thinks sacking nurses and teachers is what the country needs he’s a fucking moron.

And I will tell you this, I cannot see any hospital or school going through with it either

[thejbs]

Starmer going full Tory:

“we won’t be able to spend our way out of their mess – it’s not as easy as that. There is no substitute for a robust private sector, creating wealth in every community.”

[reddebs]

Starmer going full Tory:

“we won’t be able to spend our way out of their mess – it’s not as easy as that. There is no substitute for a robust private sector, creating wealth in every community.”

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing here but does anyone actually think it's possible to reverse all the shite of the last decade?

Not just the shite we can see or know about but the shite that, as a nation we own very little of our own infrastructure, income generation, land, property, businesses etc etc to be able to demand change.

We no longer control most of what happens in this country, not even what our government spends it's revenue on so I'm no longer sure a different government can change that much.

[Machae]

Starmer going full Tory:

“we won’t be able to spend our way out of their mess – it’s not as easy as that. There is no substitute for a robust private sector, creating wealth in every community.”

Don't get me wrong, I want the Tories out by any means but Starmer is atrocious. Assuming he wins, can't see him leaving any sort of legacy and will probably allow the Tories to sneak back having served one term

[killer-heels]

Starmer knows fuck all about economic policy. Those quotes will have been fed to him by Rachel Reeves.

[Studgotelli]

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing here but does anyone actually think it's possible to reverse all the shite of the last decade?

Not just the shite we can see or know about but the shite that, as a nation we own very little of our own infrastructure, income generation, land, property, businesses etc etc to be able to demand change.

We no longer control most of what happens in this country, not even what our government spends it's revenue on so I'm no longer sure a different government can change that much.

No and its delusion to think it can be by any party imo...