Topic: Keir Starmer: your views?

[Elmo!]

I'm not sure if nationalising the energy companies is necessary or good value for money but I would like to see a state owned energy company setup that can compete.

[Robinred]

I'm travelling to the UK soon and have a choice of buying a ticket in advance - but potentially be out of pocket if I am delayed getting to the UK (and no chance of refund). Or, buy the train ticket at the station when I reach the UK and pay a lot more. The way you are confined to a specific train with your ticket (in the UK) is fucking ridiculous.

Try TrainPal, Jiminy.

There are quite a few ‘ticket splitting’ apps online, but TrainPal from my experience is the best.

[Yorkykopite]

They’ve all come out of the woodwork, not just McCluskey. This morning’s Guardian carries articles from Fletcher, Owen Jones, McDonnell and Ken Loach - every one of them castigating Starmer for expulsion of ‘long time activists’, creating division and ditching democracy.

No mention in any of them of the deselection games of a few years ago.

It’s my opinion that Starmer has recognised that this boil needs lancing once and for all. He might be wrong, but only time will tell.

Ken Loach wants to form a new political party:

A new party would face the same difficulties as in the past. But we need a new initiative – a broad, inclusive, independent labour movement that unites those both in and outside the Labour party. It should be led by people who are recognised, principled and trusted, and the support of left unions would be critical.

We have a wealth of talent: young activists, rising politicians, academics, medics and economists, as well as great leaders in the communities and grassroots organisations. They understand all too well what is happening and speak with clarity and passion.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/28/democracy-keir-starmer-labour-left-ken-loach

I hope to God he does it. I know he's helped to form new left-wing parties in the past and that all of them have come a-cropper. But hopefully that won't deter him from one last big effort. Just leave the Labour party alone Ken. You don't like it, and it doesn't like you.

[Yorkykopite]

I'm travelling to the UK soon and have a choice of buying a ticket in advance - but potentially be out of pocket if I am delayed getting to the UK (and no chance of refund). Or, buy the train ticket at the station when I reach the UK and pay a lot more. The way you are confined to a specific train with your ticket (in the UK) is fucking ridiculous.

There are hundreds of valid criticisms that can be hurled at privatised railways in the UK. But one of the biggest is the simple fact that they DON'T WANT YOUR CUSTOM. They specialise in deterring people from using their trains, preferring to make profits by charging a small class of British travellers enormous prices. It is the opposite of "mass transit". 

[Kenny's Jacket]

For Disabled people the UK is very good, however the railways are extremely problematic


Whether Nationalisation will help I dont know, but our railways are shit

[Andy @ Allerton!]

I think he's doing really well in this speech

Getting heckled, but dealing with it well.

Looking at the future, apologising for what was wrong. Thanking those around the party.

I'm quite impressed. Pushing the idea that it's about actually doing something sensible that will actually help people

[Andy @ Allerton!]

lol

Ha ha ha

"My dad was a toolmaker, but in a way, so was Boris Johnsons dad"


Arf

[Kenny's Jacket]

lol

Ha ha ha

"My dad was a toolmaker, but in a way, so was Boris Johnsons dad"


Arf

    D

[Zeb]

For Disabled people the UK is very good, however the railways are extremely problematic


Whether Nationalisation will help I dont know, but our railways are shit

Station and train access can be really poor, yeah. Question for Labour is really how much they're going for a regional/local approach in some ways. With the metro mayors there's already moves there to integrate transport, and part of that remit can be trains/stations in their areas, so is it possible to do that and then join them together? Not sure.

[Welshred]

They're absolutely embarrassing themselves with all their heckling even after the "At this time on a Wednesday its the Tories who heckle me" jibe he shot back

[Yorkykopite]

lol

Ha ha ha

"My dad was a toolmaker, but in a way, so was Boris Johnsons dad"


Arf

A joke dying to be told!

I'm still waiting for him to say that Britain should "cut off its Johnson".

[Welshred]

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1443174116295692298?s=20

Jim Pickard
@PickardJE
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it takes a special someone to heckle a politician while they're reminiscing about their mother in hospital intensive care

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Labour: The Party of Working people.


Still getting heckled.


Seems like a fairly humble bloke. Talking about his parents. His dad who was a toolmaker and his mum who was a nurse.

This lad wasn't born with a silver spoon on his mouth like the majority of politicians thesedays.

I like that he's put the slant on WORKING people as a bugbear that people have (wrongly or rightly) is that Labour support 'feckless layabouts'

[Andy @ Allerton!]

There really are some scum in the Labour Party aren't there.

He's talking about how the NHS managed to save his mum while in intensive care and some gobshite is heckling him.

Absolute scumbags.

Scumbagging 1  Empathy 0

[Kenny's Jacket]

I think Ive got a 'thing' for Angela  Rayner


If Nobby can discuss his desires, so can I

[Dr. Beaker]

I think Ive got a 'thing' for Angela  Rayner

She should swap hands with Trump.

[Zeb]

"Chanting slogans or changing lives?" is going to be on the news and it'll be precisely the message Starmer will want to have people take from this conference. Well done Momentum. We'll miss you. A little bit.

[Sangria]

Station and train access can be really poor, yeah. Question for Labour is really how much they're going for a regional/local approach in some ways. With the metro mayors there's already moves there to integrate transport, and part of that remit can be trains/stations in their areas, so is it possible to do that and then join them together? Not sure.

Wasn't that how our railway network was done in the first place?

[Red_Mist]

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1443174116295692298?s=20

Jim Pickard
@PickardJE
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it takes a special someone to heckle a politician while they're reminiscing about their mother in hospital intensive care

Indeed.

He’s doing well despite the heckling.

[Dr. Beaker]

Its a bit of a Kinnock moment this.

[Welshred]

"Chanting slogans or changing lives?" is going to be on the news and it'll be precisely the message Starmer will want to have people take from this conference. Well done Momentum. We'll miss you. A little bit.

They're gifting him the opportunity to show that the party has moved on from them.

[Jiminy Cricket]

If you know when you're going, buying a ticket in advance isn't all that expensive. Even a day in advance is fairly cheap. Buy it online, pick it up when you get to the station.

If am delayed and I miss my train, the UK rail ticket is non-refundable. I could buy a ticket for much later than I need (in anticipation of possible delays), but I do not wish to hang around unnecessarily at a UK rail station. Besides, I could find no cheap alternative (split ticket) for my journey.

[Sangria]

Indeed.

He’s doing well despite the heckling.

Being heckled can be good. It helped Major in 1992.

[Zeb]

Wasn't that how our railway network was done in the first place?

With the regional lines? Yeah, kind of. There's a lovely old mosaic map of the NW system at Manchester Victoria. With the metro mayors though it'll also be buses (and trams where they exist). But I'd have to read up on where the policy proposals are at cos it's all GM focused for me at the moment with what Burnham's doing. And the downside to current system is that, privately, GM is quite happy to throw Yorkshire under a bus for things like the link to HS2 so long as GM gets its money. So there is obviously need for national overview beyond just the long distance travel.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Try TrainPal, Jiminy.

There are quite a few ‘ticket splitting’ apps online, but TrainPal from my experience is the best.

I'll give that one a go. Thanks.

[Red-Soldier]

"Chanting slogans or changing lives?" is going to be on the news and it'll be precisely the message Starmer will want to have people take from this conference. Well done Momentum. We'll miss you. A little bit.

Back of the net with that one! 

[Sangria]

With the regional lines? Yeah, kind of. There's a lovely old mosaic map of the NW system at Manchester Victoria. With the metro mayors though it'll also be buses (and trams where they exist). But I'd have to read up on where the policy proposals are at cos it's all GM focused for me at the moment with what Burnham's doing. And the downside to current system is that, privately, GM is quite happy to throw Yorkshire under a bus for things like the link to HS2 so long as GM gets its money. So there is obviously need for national overview beyond just the long distance travel.

Isn't there scope for small organisational changes at a local level?

[Welshred]

If am delayed and I miss my train, the UK rail ticket is non-refundable. I could buy a ticket for much later than I need (in anticipation of possible delays), but I do not wish to hang around unnecessarily at a UK rail station. Besides, I could find no cheap alternative (split ticket) for my journey.

Only if you buy tickets for a specific train, you can get open returns and travel on any train between the route you're taking

[classycarra]

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1443174116295692298?s=20

Jim Pickard
@PickardJE
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it takes a special someone to heckle a politician while they're reminiscing about their mother in hospital intensive care

As we're all too aware, there's plenty of c*nts in the labour membership

[Jiminy Cricket]

I'll give that one a go. Thanks.

No good. I can save a few quid on the specific train I would Ideally catch if everything goes right. The following train is the same price I get from the national rail website. Just not worth spending nearly 74 quid for single ticket (which i might lose), when I can just buy a ticket at the time for 97. Thanks anyway.

[Kenny's Jacket]

She should swap hands with Trump.

 Im confident I can cope with that

[Jiminy Cricket]

Only if you buy tickets for a specific train, you can get open returns and travel on any train between the route you're taking

I guess I should check that, as I have little idea when I will be returning.

[TheShanklyGates]

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1443174116295692298?s=20

Jim Pickard
@PickardJE
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it takes a special someone to heckle a politician while they're reminiscing about their mother in hospital intensive care

Kinder, gentler politics.

[Libertine]

@paulwaugh
The heckling is now beyond parody. One activist just yelled 'free Julian Assange!'


Oh dear.....

[Jiminy Cricket]

Kinder, gentler politics.

Context? Who did that?

[Libertine]

Good line:

"It’s easy to comfort yourself that your opponents are bad people. But I don’t think Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson is a bad man. I think he is a trivial man. I think he’s a showman with nothing left to show. I think he’s a trickster who has performed his one trick."

[Andy @ Allerton!]

The usual sources are absolutely fuming.

Not even coherently.

They are just angry at everything.

[Jiminy Cricket]

@paulwaugh
The heckling is now beyond parody. One activist just yelled 'free Julian Assange!'


Oh dear.....

I'm only surprised that they did not yell, Julian Assange Matters. Oh well. Maybe they'll fuck off soon. Fromm what I can gather, maybe this is exactly what Starmer is attempting to encourage.

[Zeb]

Isn't there scope for small organisational changes at a local level?

I don't know, sorry. The current picture is/is going to be one of a patchwork of bodies similar to Transport for London but with the government reluctant to release money which they won't have any oversight over (which has some fair points to it given oversight of mayors has been patchy). But beyond that I'm clueless and would have to ask and read.

[Nobby Reserve]

https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/1443174116295692298?s=20

Jim Pickard
@PickardJE
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it takes a special someone to heckle a politician while they're reminiscing about their mother in hospital intensive care

Disgusting.