Sorry mate, just not buying that. And your assertion that Trump or any US political leader being accused of negligent homicide makes me uncomfortable and that's the real issue here, is very far off-base. Far from the first time a US leader has been accused of that, it's nothing new. Not sure why you think it would make me uncomfortable, especially when talking about someone as loathsome as Trump.
To clarify mate: I didn't mean to imply that your leaders being accused of negligent homicide made you uncomfortable; I just meant that I wouldn't blame you if it did - and Trump would be the first American president accused of the mass killing of his OWN people, rather than another country's.
Far be it for me to make excuses for Trump as his many failures, ineptitude and overall lack of empathy and leadership during the Covid crisis has been on display for all to see (or those that choose to see).
I just took issue with two things, a) anyone that compares his actions or inactions to that of Hitler. It's simultaneously an insult to what happened in the 30's and 40's in Europe and a gross dramatization of Trump's 4 years in office and a massive over-compensation of the man's critical thinking and planning abilities and b) that he's guilty of negligent homicide 400,000 times over. My point was not to quibble over numbers, it was just that your initial assertion is patently false. I'm not saying he's not guilty of negligent homicide in some form or fashion, just urging you to use caution when throwing around blanket assertions like that for a complicated and intricate issue at hand.
Apologies for derailing the thread a bit. With the Trump thread closed at the moment, I guess it's only natural for some of this stuff to bleed over into this thread.
For this, I continue to disagree. The main differences between Hitler and Trump is that Hitler actually fought in war, and had the balls to personally lead his own attempted coup. As I said earlier, Trump's had everything handed to him on a platter and still manage to screw it up because he was too lazy and incompetent to make a decent job of what he was trying to do.
Where they have something very much in common is thinking that they knew better than their advisors; constantly interfered in the strategic thinking of those around them, and in the end retreated to a delusional world where he was indulged in his fantasies.
It's not an insult to what happened in the 30s or 40s in Europe, nor a gross dramatisation of Trump's term in office. You offer no evidence to support either of these claims. My evidence is a simple question: what would Trump have done if he could have got away with it? Where would the checks and balances been had he won the election, or succeeded in overturning it?
People say we can't draw a conclusion based on a hypothetical. I say you can, because there is ample evidence of Trump's intent and what he wanted to do.
Joe Scarborough called it: Trump is a fascist. Hitler was a fascist. Mussolini was a fascist. They arose to power in a similar manner; Trump tried to stay in power in a similar way. Just because he didn't make it to their heights of monstrosity wasn't for a lack of trying.
In any case, I also do not want to derail the thread. I've stated my opinion so I'll leave it there.