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Re: United - το πράσινο και το gOle πρότυπο
« Reply #12920 on: January 18, 2021, 09:52:35 am »
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« Reply #12921 on: January 18, 2021, 09:59:45 am »
If this is the best Manutd in years, that can't beat the weakest Liverpool in years, and who are just one point ahead, then they must quite shite.
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« Reply #12922 on: January 18, 2021, 10:10:37 am »
They're going to end up above us. It's all fingers crossed for city now.

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« Reply #12923 on: January 18, 2021, 10:19:03 am »
They're going to end up above us. It's all fingers crossed for city now.


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« Reply #12924 on: January 18, 2021, 10:26:40 am »
They're going to end up above us. It's all fingers crossed for city now.
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« Reply #12925 on: January 18, 2021, 11:21:47 am »
If this is the best Manutd in years, that can't beat the weakest Liverpool in years, and who are just one point ahead, then they must quite shite.

weakest Liverpool team in years? come on. Henderson at centre-back is still probably better than most centre-halves in the league, no worse than a Tarkowski for example, and Fabinho is a monster. All the pre-match social media stuff pointed to Liverpool fans being very confident of an easy victory, e.g. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Er9TtktXEAIsUOS?format=jpg so it's interesting the narrative has shifted today.

Yes you're off form, but we're also pretty goal-shy at the moment and have been grinding out results recently. Credit to Liverpool yesterday, started really well, we paid you too much respect I think for the first 30 mins before the penny dropped that there isn't too much to fear. Yes we had the best chances to win, but a draw was a fair result. Two defences that played well and two attacks that looked fragmented. I had 0-0 at 13/1 so I'll take it.


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« Reply #12926 on: January 18, 2021, 11:24:55 am »
weakest Liverpool team in years? come on. Henderson at centre-back is still probably better than most centre-halves in the league, no worse than a Tarkowski for example, and Fabinho is a monster. All the pre-match social media stuff pointed to Liverpool fans being very confident of an easy victory, e.g. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Er9TtktXEAIsUOS?format=jpg so it's interesting the narrative has shifted today.

Yes you're off form, but we're also pretty goal-shy at the moment and have been grinding out results recently. Credit to Liverpool yesterday, started really well, we paid you too much respect I think for the first 30 mins before the penny dropped that there isn't too much to fear. Yes we had the best chances to win, but a draw was a fair result. Two defences that played well and two attacks that looked fragmented. I had 0-0 at 13/1 so I'll take it.



That’s kind of fair. I was confident pre game. Less so when I saw Matip wasn’t playing. After about an hour I got the sense it wasn’t going to happen for us and of course a couple of times it opened up for you.

It felt that as a team/group you were happy with a point and not to force it too much which probably gives an indication that you don’t think a title challenge is too likely.

Ultimately City were the real winners yesterday, sadly.

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« Reply #12927 on: January 18, 2021, 11:40:03 am »
The one thing I learned from watching them yesterday is that they are basically a very expensive Sam Allardyce team.

Sit back and defend for 75 minutes with the occasional punt to the wings for a flick on. Then try and go for it last 15, almost worked too. Thankfully it didn’t.  That sort of football deserves little reward, sadly it’s effective.  They got their usual help from the ref too, like clockwork.

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« Reply #12928 on: January 18, 2021, 11:46:30 am »
weakest Liverpool team in years? come on. Henderson at centre-back is still probably better than most centre-halves in the league, no worse than a Tarkowski for example, and Fabinho is a monster. All the pre-match social media stuff pointed to Liverpool fans being very confident of an easy victory, e.g. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Er9TtktXEAIsUOS?format=jpg so it's interesting the narrative has shifted today.

Yes you're off form, but we're also pretty goal-shy at the moment and have been grinding out results recently. Credit to Liverpool yesterday, started really well, we paid you too much respect I think for the first 30 mins before the penny dropped that there isn't too much to fear. Yes we had the best chances to win, but a draw was a fair result. Two defences that played well and two attacks that looked fragmented. I had 0-0 at 13/1 so I'll take it.



Comparing Hendersons ability at CB has zero baring on the weakest LIVERPOOL team in years comment though. You compare to Liverpool CBs in those previous years... Henderson playing there and not in midfield weakens the team, as does Fabinho playing there not in midfield. People can dress it up how they want but Virgil and Gomez at CB with the aforementioned players in midfield makes for a stronger side than we can field at the moment, it's not even a debate.

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« Reply #12929 on: January 18, 2021, 11:48:45 am »
The one thing I learned from watching them yesterday is that they are basically a very expensive Sam Allardyce team.

Sit back and defend for 75 minutes with the occasional punt to the wings for a flick on. Then try and go for it last 15, almost worked too. Thankfully it didn’t.  That sort of football deserves little reward, sadly it’s effective.  They got their usual help from the ref too, like clockwork.

Solskjaer has basically set them up like a lower table side, but with 600mill squad and few injuries in and odd season it is getting them results (with help from some crap decisions). Their options off the bench are better than any other team in the league, including City.
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« Reply #12930 on: January 18, 2021, 11:52:56 am »
Solskjaer has basically set them up like a lower table side, but with 600mill squad and few injuries in and odd season it is getting them results (with help from some crap decisions). Their options off the bench are better than any other team in the league, including City.

it is effective for sure, and they do have the depth, which is why the faux bravado and insistance from so many that they are ‘shit’ doesn’t really work this season of all seasons when it is so tight. And the way they play isn’t so taxng either, so with them not getting many injuries, it’s a decent recipe to do well.

Horrible football, played by the biggest bunch of snides in the league, but luckily I don’t have to watch it more than a couple times a season.

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« Reply #12931 on: January 18, 2021, 11:59:56 am »
That’s kind of fair. I was confident pre game. Less so when I saw Matip wasn’t playing. After about an hour I got the sense it wasn’t going to happen for us and of course a couple of times it opened up for you.

It felt that as a team/group you were happy with a point and not to force it too much which probably gives an indication that you don’t think a title challenge is too likely.

Ultimately City were the real winners yesterday, sadly.

I'm under no illusions that Liverpool's ceiling is far higher than ours... a team with VVD-Gomez-Fabinho-Thiago-Henderson spine most likely overpowers us yesterday. Which is why I was a little disappointed we didn't go for the jugular a bit more with your notable absentees... in the big league games this season we've blanked in most of them... it feels like we've feared defeat rather than roll the dice and possibly land on a 6. I think until that changes... until we believe in ourselves more in big games, we won't finish in the top two. The Spurs thrashing has probably put the willies up us, so to speak.

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« Reply #12932 on: January 18, 2021, 12:01:34 pm »
They're going to end up above us. It's all fingers crossed for city now.

Behave man. I'm on a bit of a downer myself, but this is crazy talk.

It's Liverpool and City in the top two spots. It just a case of which way round.
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« Reply #12933 on: January 18, 2021, 12:01:35 pm »
Am I correct in saying yesterday was the first time they've played one of the big six away from home? They'll no doubt try the defensive tactics again but they were fortunate to get us during a bad patch. They're far more likely to drop more points away during a tough second half of the season.

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« Reply #12934 on: January 18, 2021, 12:04:32 pm »
Am I correct in saying yesterday was the first time they've played one of the big six away from home? They'll no doubt try the defensive tactics again but they were fortunate to get us during a bad patch. They're far more likely to drop more points away during a tough second half of the season.

Who are the big six these days? They drew 2-2 at Leicester if they count? But don’t think they’ve played City, Spurs, Chelsea or Arsenal away yet.

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« Reply #12935 on: January 18, 2021, 12:09:38 pm »
weakest Liverpool team in years? come on. Henderson at centre-back is still probably better than most centre-halves in the league, no worse than a Tarkowski for example, and Fabinho is a monster. All the pre-match social media stuff pointed to Liverpool fans being very confident of an easy victory, e.g. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Er9TtktXEAIsUOS?format=jpg so it's interesting the narrative has shifted today.

Yes you're off form, but we're also pretty goal-shy at the moment and have been grinding out results recently. Credit to Liverpool yesterday, started really well, we paid you too much respect I think for the first 30 mins before the penny dropped that there isn't too much to fear. Yes we had the best chances to win, but a draw was a fair result. Two defences that played well and two attacks that looked fragmented. I had 0-0 at 13/1 so I'll take it.

Mate, our form is almost relegation form atm. Can't remember being this bad (because of the injuries first and foremost of course) since Klopp arrived. Your argument that Henderson is a better CB than Tarkowski doesn't stand because he is not. He never played there in his career. On the other hand we keep hearing that this Manutd side is the best since rednose. Not to mention that we've weakened our midfield significantly by moving Fab and Hendo in the defence. So what we got is jack of all trades master of none, all over the pitch.
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« Reply #12936 on: January 18, 2021, 12:27:30 pm »
Who are the big six these days? They drew 2-2 at Leicester if they count? But don’t think they’ve played City, Spurs, Chelsea or Arsenal away yet.

Yeah, I suppose the traditional big six although that's also a more recent thing that came into the lexicon.

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« Reply #12937 on: January 18, 2021, 12:46:33 pm »
weakest Liverpool team in years? come on. Henderson at centre-back is still probably better than most centre-halves in the league, no worse than a Tarkowski for example, and Fabinho is a monster. All the pre-match social media stuff pointed to Liverpool fans being very confident of an easy victory, e.g. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Er9TtktXEAIsUOS?format=jpg so it's interesting the narrative has shifted today.


of course its shifted, it’s what fans do, and Liverpool fans, especially the absolute weapons that hang out on social media giving the club a bad name, love nothing more than to go with the ‘we’re great, everyone else is shit’ mantra. And then when the wins don’t come - they turn on the team and manager. It’s text book. Man Utd fans are also great at this.

At the end of the day, the lack of form is down to three things, firstly, and most importantly, it’s having no senior central defenders. I don’t care how good Fabinho is (and he’s great), he’s the best defensive midfielder in the league by far, it hampers the team to not have him available there. And Henderson looked comfortable yesterday, but that was as much to do with playing against a team coached by a coward than it was anything else.  Otherwise, he’s a square peg in a round hole who doesn’t as yet fill me with much confidence in that role, and teams should be taking advantage of it. Also as with Fabinho, it weakens the midfield, and changes how the team plays not having him there. And having to patch up the defence is affecting the overal performance in how they attack.

Alenxander Arnold usually a source of that attack, is going through the worst form of his young career, but again, partly down to so much change at the back no doubt.

The 3 forwards are going through a stinking run of form - all at the same time. And the other forward is injured, so nothing has changed in that there isn’t the depth there till Jota comes back to change things up.

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« Reply #12938 on: January 18, 2021, 12:57:08 pm »
of course its shifted, it’s what fans do, and Liverpool fans, especially the absolute weapons that hang out on social media giving the club a bad name, love nothing more than to go with the ‘we’re great, everyone else is shit’ mantra. And then when the wins don’t come - they turn on the team and manager. It’s text book. Man Utd fans are also great at this.

At the end of the day, the lack of form is down to three things, firstly, and most importantly, it’s having no senior central defenders. I don’t care how good Fabinho is (and he’s great), he’s the best defensive midfielder in the league by far, it hampers the team to not have him available there. And Henderson looked comfortable yesterday, but that was as much to do with playing against a team coached by a coward than it was anything else.  Otherwise, he’s a square peg in a round hole who doesn’t as yet fill me with much confidence in that role, and teams should be taking advantage of it. Also as with Fabinho, it weakens the midfield, and changes how the team plays not having him there. And having to patch up the defence is affecting the overal performance in how they attack.

Alenxander Arnold usually a source of that attack, is going through the worst form of his young career, but again, partly down to so much change at the back no doubt.

The 3 forwards are going through a stinking run of form - all at the same time. And the other forward is injured, so nothing has changed in that there isn’t the depth there till Jota comes back to change things up.

Yep that's fair.

To be honest I'm just glad to get this fixture out of the way. Think we play again (in the league) in May with a few games left... might be something riding on that one, we'll see.

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« Reply #12939 on: January 18, 2021, 01:01:43 pm »
Good player? He's fucking wank!


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He was very poor yesterday but I’m sure I could pull up some numbers and say the say for Mane, Salah and Firmino

This lot showed nothing to suggest they will finish above us in my opinion. We are just bang out of sorts. We just need to hope City suffer a blip similar to this or a few injuries

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« Reply #12940 on: January 18, 2021, 01:42:32 pm »
Who are the big six these days? They drew 2-2 at Leicester if they count? But don’t think they’ve played City, Spurs, Chelsea or Arsenal away yet.

They're away to Arsenal at the end of this month. They have Fulham away and Sheff U at home before that which they should win.

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« Reply #12941 on: January 18, 2021, 02:14:44 pm »
I'm under no illusions that Liverpool's ceiling is far higher than ours... a team with VVD-Gomez-Fabinho-Thiago-Henderson spine most likely overpowers us yesterday. Which is why I was a little disappointed we didn't go for the jugular a bit more with your notable absentees... in the big league games this season we've blanked in most of them... it feels like we've feared defeat rather than roll the dice and possibly land on a 6. I think until that changes... until we believe in ourselves more in big games, we won't finish in the top two. The Spurs thrashing has probably put the willies up us, so to speak.

You landed on 6 against Spurs didn't you?
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« Reply #12942 on: January 18, 2021, 02:26:37 pm »
They're away to Arsenal at the end of this month. They have Fulham away and Sheff U at home before that which they should win.

Fulham away is a tricky fixture these days. Especially if they an eye on our FA Cup game.

You landed on 6 against Spurs didn't you?

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« Reply #12943 on: January 18, 2021, 02:27:19 pm »
if you're Solskjaer you cant be happy with a player like Fernandes. has made a show of him on a couple of occasions. extremely disrespectful.

i wonder would they get rid if a decent offer came in,
Do you actually think that is a possibility?  Fernandes may be a bit over-rated but he is far more important to them than Ole is. 

They're going to end up above us. It's all fingers crossed for city now.
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« Reply #12944 on: January 18, 2021, 06:01:02 pm »
Found this gem from redcafe ;D

"We performed the game plan to perfection, if it wasn't for the keeper we would have won."

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« Reply #12945 on: January 18, 2021, 06:10:34 pm »
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« Reply #12946 on: January 18, 2021, 06:10:41 pm »
Found this gem from redcafe ;D

"We performed the game plan to perfection, if it wasn't for the keeper we would have won."

Sorry i just had to post it

I don't see what's wrong with that, it's pretty much what happened.  They let us have the ball, we created nothing of note and didn't trouble their keeper, and they had very good opportunities on the break but were thwarted by Alisson.

If we'd been in a decent run of form and had our full squad, we'd have battered them and their tactics would've looked embarrassing, but in the moment, they did what they wanted.
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« Reply #12947 on: January 18, 2021, 06:12:50 pm »
Good game plan Ole. On par with Parker, Allardyce and Steve Bruce

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« Reply #12948 on: January 18, 2021, 06:15:13 pm »
I don't see what's wrong with that, it's pretty much what happened.  They let us have the ball, we created nothing of note and didn't trouble their keeper, and they had very good opportunities on the break but were thwarted by Alisson.

If we'd been in a decent run of form and had our full squad, we'd have battered them and their tactics would've looked embarrassing, but in the moment, they did what they wanted.

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« Reply #12949 on: January 18, 2021, 06:20:52 pm »
The just want fair treatment for poor, put-upon Manchester United who just don't get any credit and no decent press anywhere; surely it's not too much to ask that this Liverpool forum could put a smile on their little faces by singing their praises? It's what being a Liverpool forum is all about, surely...?

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« Reply #12950 on: January 18, 2021, 06:20:59 pm »
I’d be pretty disappointed if I was a United fan. We’re in the worst form we’ve been in for 4 years, we had two midfielders at CB and, with the confidence they have, they really should have done better. They were pretty much a carbon copy of Newcastle.

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« Reply #12951 on: January 18, 2021, 06:22:38 pm »
They're going to end up above us. It's all fingers crossed for city now.

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« Reply #12952 on: January 18, 2021, 06:33:25 pm »
Can we just fucking batter them on Sunday? Please

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Re: United - το πράσινο και το gOle πρότυπο
« Reply #12953 on: January 18, 2021, 06:34:22 pm »
I’d be pretty disappointed if I was a United fan. We’re in the worst form we’ve been in for 4 years, we had two midfielders at CB and, with the confidence they have, they really should have done better. They were pretty much a carbon copy of Newcastle.

I don’t get this they’re on top of us, why would they be disappointed, Mourinho made a living of getting results like this and winning the title.

Even in Ferguson’s time when they were better than us they would be happy with a draw at Anfield.

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Re: United - το πράσινο και το gOle πρότυπο
« Reply #12954 on: January 18, 2021, 07:06:00 pm »
They are not a great as Lord Haw Haw Neville would have you believe. They have been shite up to now but got the lucky breaks or dodgy decisions .

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Re: United - το πράσινο και το gOle πρότυπο
« Reply #12955 on: January 18, 2021, 07:06:59 pm »
Found this gem from redcafe ;D

"We performed the game plan to perfection, if it wasn't for the keeper we would have won."

Sorry i just had to post it
They sound like the Bitters.

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Re: United - το πράσινο και το gOle πρότυπο
« Reply #12956 on: January 18, 2021, 07:08:42 pm »
Also reckon Fernandes is crap in the big games.

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Re: United - το πράσινο και το gOle πρότυπο
« Reply #12957 on: January 18, 2021, 08:06:29 pm »
They are not a great as Lord Haw Haw Neville would have you believe. They have been shite up to now but got the lucky breaks or dodgy decisions .

Can’t be overstated strongly enough in this tight league

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Re: United - το πράσινο και το gOle πρότυπο
« Reply #12958 on: January 18, 2021, 08:28:04 pm »
Of course it has been. What era do you think it started?


If you're saying that there haven't been divers before the last few years then you're off your head mate :)

I remember the Mancs, Spurs and Leeds sides (And ourselves on occasion) diving all over the shop in the 70s and we and they weren't the only ones

I remember all through the 70s and 80s and 90s and 00s loads of divers in our league and especially in Club European fixtures and World Cup fixtures.

Diving has always happened. Diving will always happen. I've seen plenty of Liverpool players over the ages diving all over the shop on occasion when they've barely been touched. They're all at it.
I didn't even remotely suggest it started in the last few years, but if putting words in my mouth helps to reinforce your flimsy assertion that diving has always been this bad.....then fill your boots fella.

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Re: United - το πράσινο και το gOle πρότυπο
« Reply #12959 on: January 18, 2021, 09:06:12 pm »
I don’t get this they’re on top of us, why would they be disappointed, Mourinho made a living of getting results like this and winning the title.

Even in Ferguson’s time when they were better than us they would be happy with a draw at Anfield.

Because they are obsessed with us and they have 2 cup finals a year?

Only their most blinkered think they are any good, all the Mancs I know and its a lot, accept they are shite, the footy is shite and they are going nowhere.  To have taken all 3 pts from us would be a poke in the eye to us.
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