Topic: Doesn't matter who you vote for as long as it's for the right reasons!

[rob1966]

c*nt should have died when he had covid.

[Theoldkopite]

c*nt should have died when he had covid.

Yeah, those two nurses really let us down 

[TepidT2O]

Yeah, those two nurses really let us down 

They did their job…

Medics don’t judge when they give treatment

[Theoldkopite]

They did their job…

Medics don’t judge when they give treatment

That wasn’t a serious comment!

[TepidT2O]

That wasn’t a serious comment!

This is the internet!


(And it was Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson!)

[Theoldkopite]

This is the internet!


(And it was Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson!)

 

[RainbowFlick]

Who the hell has been voting the left-wing options, I would love to know your reasoning

[Yorkykopite]

David Lammy superb tonight. As he generally is.

[TSC]

Cummings targets Johnson again.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57722457

[Gerry Attrick]

Cummings targets Johnson again.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57722457

Don't think this is making any impact now really, in fact it might be helping Johnson. It's coming across as a vendetta now and so people are more likely to feel sorry for him. He sounds like a bitter man that's out to get people.

[oojason]

^ by https://twitter.com/BJennings90/status/1411760788918964226

[Zeb]

Someone's paid the US pollster Frank Luntz to parade his ignorance of British politics again - you don't need too many guesses about the why with the usual right wing headbangers pushing the 'results'. There's some interesting stuff in there, although not what Luntz thinks is interesting or relevant (idiot looks at a UK picture and goes 'so nationalism isn't a big problem because look how relatively few people are mentioning it'). But this had me howling with laughter.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/15aivisHXx0MVAOAqwFz0ccWzJk9oomd3/view?cmid=7cd8ba87-94e2-40c1-a950-ed4b98fa8608



Have at them Labour mums.

[stewil007]

Don't think this is making any impact now really, in fact it might be helping Johnson. It's coming across as a vendetta now and so people are more likely to feel sorry for him. He sounds like a bitter man that's out to get people.

if it doesn't have an immediate impact, then it has to chip away in peoples minds.

Post 19th July will see a mindset change, I believe, when issues arise and divisions become deeper.

[Zeb]

One of the problems with where Labour is at with its disciplinary process right now.




He was suspended, effectively, on political grounds. To avoid bringing the party into disrepute. Mainly for his arguments that Islamophobia shouldn't be seen as a form of racism and some weird, and offensive, generalisations he made to justify coming to that viewpoint. Because Labour no long is able to suspend for that purpose, because the previous tenants of LOTO and the GS office used it for factional purposes, you're left with not much to pursue in such a case unless or until the person steps into pushing bigoted views. Reach a point where someone can be a Labour member but be rejected by the PLP and so not sit as a Labour MP if they're elected to Parliament. Not sure an independent process will fix this, much as you'd like it to, because it won't be able to step into the how something looks part of things.

[Jshooters]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/06/uk-to-block-visas-from-countries-refusing-to-take-back-undocumented-migrants?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

See the little facist is now proposing collective punishment in her latest bill. Citizens of certain countries who would normally qualify for a visa would be refused if she deemed their country of origin ‘uncooperative’

[BobOnATank]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/06/uk-to-block-visas-from-countries-refusing-to-take-back-undocumented-migrants?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

See the little facist is now proposing collective punishment in her latest bill. Citizens of certain countries who would normally qualify for a visa would be refused if she deemed their country of origin ‘uncooperative’

You can see countries like Syria, China, Yeman or Libya etc... being delighted to have their escapees citizens returned and would process them immediately.

[rob1966]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/06/uk-to-block-visas-from-countries-refusing-to-take-back-undocumented-migrants?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

See the little facist is now proposing collective punishment in her latest bill. Citizens of certain countries who would normally qualify for a visa would be refused if she deemed their country of origin ‘uncooperative’

Fucking vile thing she is.

[killer-heels]

Fucking vile thing she is.

I’d pay really good money for her to have her head kicked in. An absolute low life bitch.

[Wilmo]

...

I don't necessarily disagree, but that might not be the best thing to post on a public forum.

[Nobby Reserve]

Thought for the day:

An elite Tory dining club enjoying direct access to Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson has given more than £130 million to the
@Conservatives
 since 2010.

Since 2009, the wealth of the UK's richest 1,000 individuals has increased by £480 BILLION.

https://mobile.twitter.com/docrussjackson/status/1411639441077190660

[thaddeus]

With wages apparently up by around 8% and pensions following suit as part of the triple lock it raises two questions:
- When this inflation starts to come through will the BoE be able to keep interest rates at close to zero?
- Will benefits rise in line with earnings and pensions?

I can state with some confidence that the answer to the second question will be no because "national debt... austerity... blah".  The first is more difficult to judge because even with the cherry-picked inflation indicators it seems likely to spike.

[Elmo!]

With wages apparently up by around 8% and pensions following suit as part of the triple lock it raises two questions:
- When this inflation starts to come through will the BoE be able to keep interest rates at close to zero?
- Will benefits rise in line with earnings and pensions?

I can state with some confidence that the answer to the second question will be no because "national debt... austerity... blah".  The first is more difficult to judge because even with the cherry-picked inflation indicators it seems likely to spike.

I don't the government can afford to let interest rates rise in any significant manner. The country is massively leveraged on the property market. They will do anything to avoid it because it will be a complete shitshow.

[bigbonedrawky]

Not sure Starmer's at fault for the EHRC report but I am sure you'll find a way to blame him for not ignoring it. Don't personally have a faction in the party other than the 'tired of self-righteous bigoted clowns and their defenders' one.

No it's the Chakrabati report he's ignoring it could of course be the Grima's in his ear who led him to ignore it... They do need the money after all.
As for Jones et al I'd prefer him to Murdoch, Rothmere and Barclay any day of the week.
Anyhow it's the right wingers who Starmer needs to watch out for right now, they're busy sharpening their knives

[Yorkykopite]

I’d pay really good money for her to have her head kicked in. An absolute low life bitch.

Violence against women is despicable. Im amazed you advocate it, even in jest if thats what it is.

[filopastry]

I don't the government can afford to let interest rates rise in any significant manner. The country is massively leveraged on the property market. They will do anything to avoid it because it will be a complete shitshow.

They might not have much choice if inflation really starts to pick up in a sustained way, nobody really has a clue how all of this will play out, economically we are in pretty uncharted waters, massive monetary and fiscal stimulus across the western world and some limited efforts to rollback globalisation (you could view Brexit as part of that locally as well), all of that is potentially inflationary.

[bigbonedrawky]

Violence against women is despicable. Im amazed you advocate it, even in jest if thats what it is.

I'm reminded of a joke I heard about HRC... Hillary Clinton is against FGM

Spoiler

Unless it's done with a drone

[close]

[Zeb]

No it's the Chakrabati report he's ignoring it could of course be the Grima's in his ear who led him to ignore it... They do need the money after all.
As for Jones et al I'd prefer him to Murdoch, Rothmere and Barclay any day of the week.
Anyhow it's the right wingers who Starmer needs to watch out for right now, they're busy sharpening their knives

Even Chakrabarti has forgotten she wrote a report. Think it happened as soon as she got the ermine though. Kind of overwritten by the legal necessity of the EHRC, to be fair. Not sure who Grima is, I'm with Simon Fletcher (who'd obviously know) that the idea of some particular figures being involved are piss funny projections from those imagining them. I'll pass on the whole lot of those you list as house media, down that road lies Rachel Swindon and her husband. Think you're right about the right wing of the current Labour party being the part of the party more worthy of being watched - they've actually got the numbers to mount a leadership challenge if they chose to. Don't think they will but that's probably cos Burnham can't run from the mayor's office.

[TSC]

Johnson refused to congratulate Leadbeater on her election win despite being invited to twice.  As per PMQs Starmer framed the ‘delta variant’ as the ‘Johnson variant’.

[rob1966]

Johnson refused to congratulate Leadbeater on her election win despite being invited to twice.  As per PMQs Starmer framed the ‘delta variant’ as the ‘Johnson variant’.

He's just an utter piece of shit.

[Nobby Reserve]

Johnson refused to congratulate Leadbeater on her election win despite being invited to twice.  As per PMQs Starmer framed the ‘delta variant’ as the ‘Johnson variant’.

Vermin.

As Alistair Campbell put it:

Christ - even when specifically asked to welcome @kimleadbeater  to the Commons Johnson cannot bring himself to. Awful awful man. Was told he would win Batley and Spen and he didn’t. So can’t even welcome the new MP, the sister of her predecessor murdered by a fascist. Horrible.

[Red Raw]

Imagine gov will have a bunch of unpopular and contentious announcements to make while everyone is focussed on the footie.

Patel is getting some in early with the Nationality and Borders Bill which will effectively make the RNLI criminally liable for rescuing asylum seekers from the channel:
https://www.freemovement.org.uk/the-nationality-and-borders-bill-2021-first-impressions/

Despicable obviously, but also potentially at odds with United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea where there is an obligation to provide assistance to those in distress.
http://www.duhaime.org/LegalResources/MaritimeLaw/LawArticle-386/United-Nations-Convention-on-the-Law-of-the-Sea.aspx

[Zeb]

Imagine gov will have a bunch of unpopular and contentious announcements to make while everyone is focussed on the footie.

Patel is getting some in early with the Nationality and Borders Bill which will effectively make the RNLI criminally liable for rescuing asylum seekers from the channel:
https://www.freemovement.org.uk/the-nationality-and-borders-bill-2021-first-impressions/

Despicable obviously, but also potentially at odds with United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea where there is an obligation to provide assistance to those in distress.
http://www.duhaime.org/LegalResources/MaritimeLaw/LawArticle-386/United-Nations-Convention-on-the-Law-of-the-Sea.aspx

RNLI have said they've got assurances from Home Office that they and other lifesaving organisations will be exempt. One of those laws where the moral obligation for most of us if we run into it will be to disobey it. Winton forged Home Office documents to get kids into the country in the late '30s. And he was right to. One of the first things Labour need to do next time in power is burn the Home Office to the ground and start again.

[thaddeus]

With wages apparently up by around 8% and pensions following suit as part of the triple lock it raises two questions:
- When this inflation starts to come through will the BoE be able to keep interest rates at close to zero?
- Will benefits rise in line with earnings and pensions?

I can state with some confidence that the answer to the second question will be no because "national debt... austerity... blah".  The first is more difficult to judge because even with the cherry-picked inflation indicators it seems likely to spike.

It didn't take long for Sunak to answer that one.  "Chancellor Rishi Sunak says the £20 weekly uplift to universal credit was 'always intended to be temporary'."

Hopefully they will be convinced to so something because £324.85/month UC for a single person aged 25+ (or £403.94 between a couple both aged 25+) is just not going to stretch.  It wasn't sufficient prior to Brexit and the pandemic and it certainly isn't sufficient now with so much inflation affecting the absolute basics of life.

As a contrast, even before the proposed inflationary changes to the pensions the UC is about 40% of the state pension for a single person and about 25% for a couple.  Keeping in mind that our state pensions are also dreadful for a nation as developed/wealthy as the UK.

[Charlie Adams fried egg]

It didn't take long for Sunak to answer that one.  "Chancellor Rishi Sunak says the £20 weekly uplift to universal credit was 'always intended to be temporary'."

Hopefully they will be convinced to so something because £324.85/month UC for a single person aged 25+ (or £403.94 between a couple both aged 25+) is just not going to stretch.  It wasn't sufficient prior to Brexit and the pandemic and it certainly isn't sufficient now with so much inflation affecting the absolute basics of life.

As a contrast, even before the proposed inflationary changes to the pensions the UC is about 40% of the state pension for a single person and about 25% for a couple.  Keeping in mind that our state pensions are also dreadful for a nation as developed/wealthy as the UK.

Yes, It's a very low baseline from which to compare other benefits.
I saw some stats a while back on State pension as a % of average wage and we are right down there.

[hide5seek]

UK poorest nation per capita in northwest Europe, research shows

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-poorest-northwest-europe-b1874055.html

[Nobby Reserve]

UK poorest nation per capita in northwest Europe, research shows

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/uk-poorest-northwest-europe-b1874055.html

The EU is to blame.

Now we're free, just watch the average income* soar













* by 'average income', we mean 'average income for the wealthiest 1% of the population'. The rest of you oiks can go eat turnips. And the best of it is, the 1% don't have to pay tax.

[Commie Bobbie]

The EU is to blame.

Now we're free, just watch the average income* soar













* by 'average income', we mean 'average income for the wealthiest 1% of the population'. The rest of you oiks can go eat turnips. And the best of it is, the 1% don't have to pay tax.

Well of course, I have no doubt that the average will continue to go slightly up - not that me or you will notice it - but the Tory donors no doubt will notice their bank balances being boosted.

Seriously, I hope if England somehow win it at the weekend, that one of the players calls the c*nts in power out - only needs a spark I think. I saw Neville do something like that last night.

The compare and contrast really needs to be showed up.

[Nobby Reserve]

Seriously, I hope if England somehow win it at the weekend, that one of the players calls the c*nts in power out

I'd rather we didn't win it.

Already we hear the nauseating bollocks about 'the country uniting'.

I actually don't want the country uniting. I want division and hate to fester. Remainer against Brexwit; liberal against racist; progressive against Tory; the rich parasites against everyone else [ideally].

[Commie Bobbie]

I'd rather we didn't win it.

Already we hear the nauseating bollocks about 'the country uniting'.

I actually don't want the country uniting. I want division and hate to fester. Remainer against Brexwit; liberal against racist; progressive against Tory; the rich parasites against everyone else [ideally].

I think that ship well and truly sailed in 2019, the current England team and manager represents a fightback against the racist, xenophobic neanderthals - and thats just in the government.

What would I pay to see Hendo refuse to shake that bastard of a PM's hand and instead nut the c*nt. Instant landslide amongst 80% under 40.

It will be interesting to see how things pan out over the weekend, I saw pictures of the police trying to break up parties in London last night - good luck doing that if England does a madness. OK to have 60k at a 'trial' cough cough event - but not if people want to celebrate. Meanwhile, I see the finals at Wimbledon will be at full capacity. Standard.

[oldfordie]

Well of course, I have no doubt that the average will continue to go slightly up - not that me or you will notice it - but the Tory donors no doubt will notice their bank balances being boosted.

Seriously, I hope if England somehow win it at the weekend, that one of the players calls the c*nts in power out - only needs a spark I think. I saw Neville do something like that last night.

The compare and contrast really needs to be showed up.

Yep. we all know who Neville played for etc but I wouldn't knock him for saying this, he's spot on, exactly how I feel about many right politicians today. I would hope this makes people stop and think when it comes to judging politicians.


Football pundit Gary Neville appeared to take a swipe at Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson during the post-match analysis of England and Denmark’s Euro 2020 semi-final on Wednesday nig

With jubilant scenes playing out on television, former Manchester United player Neville compared Southgate’s leadership to the “leaders of this country”.

He said: “The standards of leaders of this country in the last couple of years has been poor.

“And looking at that man there [Southgate], that's everything a leader should be – respectful, humble, tells the truth, genuine.