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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #1280 on: October 1, 2021, 02:51:06 pm »
I assume the Blues have stuck a few new cones out down at the dock in a bid to compete as we've had this new story out?
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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #1281 on: October 1, 2021, 06:31:39 pm »
There’s a guy on Skyscraper city who’s written a long detailed account of a long ‘walk around’ the ground he had with club officials at the ground breaking ceremony. The general consensus is that the club have future plans for doubling the Kop and re-routing the road, however the deal breaker is the transport issue which is way way way off being resolved. But seems the appetite is there. And the SKD Is a complete no goer due to the housing.

All stuff we kind of know, and make of it what you will but he seems pretty legit (certainly a little more than Darren of DBTV). Interesting never the less.

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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #1282 on: October 1, 2021, 06:39:07 pm »
There’s a guy on Skyscraper city who’s written a long detailed account of a long ‘walk around’ the ground he had with club officials at the ground breaking ceremony. The general consensus is that the club have future plans for doubling the Kop and re-routing the road, however the deal breaker is the transport issue which is way way way off being resolved. But seems the appetite is there. And the SKD Is a complete no goer due to the housing.

All stuff we kind of know, and make of it what you will but he seems pretty legit (certainly a little more than Darren of DBTV). Interesting never the less.
That would be awesome and FSG like Fenway will look at every way to increase capacity, i do remember plans that were on the Echo about future pedestrianisation of WBR, some nice pics of it but haven't heard or seen anything for a couple of years about it.
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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #1283 on: October 1, 2021, 06:40:02 pm »
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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #1284 on: October 1, 2021, 07:08:06 pm »
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I've linked to the page in case anyone wants to read it.  :)

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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #1286 on: October 1, 2021, 08:28:56 pm »
Just to be kind, I doubt anything of what is written there is true.

He's got them all eating out of his hands though. Fantastic rustle if it is all just a bunch of shite.

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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #1287 on: October 1, 2021, 08:38:00 pm »
He's got them all eating out of his hands though. Fantastic rustle if it is all just a bunch of shite.

Absolutely, fair play to the fella. New train/tram station 200m from the ground and a single tier Kop 2.5 times the size of the current one. Pass me whatever he’s been smoking!


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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #1288 on: October 1, 2021, 10:00:26 pm »
Imagine the view from the top of a 30,000 seater Kop, you'd probably be classed as an astronaut you'd be that high up ;D

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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #1289 on: October 1, 2021, 10:34:30 pm »
Are you suggesting that the man is just making shit up?

How very dare you ;D
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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #1290 on: October 1, 2021, 11:48:05 pm »
Read that link. How did this chap get to be in the company of those in the know for two hours?   Sounds a bit of wishful thinking.   

But don't get all this transport stuff. Yes would be great to have a rail station nearer than Sandhills or Kirkdale, and a tram link or improved bus services but are they really needed? Have people really lost the ability to walk a a bit further if needs be?  Not a big deal to park a mile and a half from the ground and walk up.
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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #1291 on: October 2, 2021, 01:09:09 am »
Just to be kind, I doubt anything of what is written there is true.
Yes, but fiction is also popular.  ;)

In all seriousness, I just posted the link and make no judgement on the content.
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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #1292 on: October 2, 2021, 01:13:04 am »
Careful mate, Demolition Dan will find you
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I saw he was expecting some sort of RAWK meltdown over the comment that re-routing WBR would be easy.
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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #1293 on: October 2, 2021, 02:14:36 am »
The most embarrassing part is that they got Kloppo to do some digging work, I mean, if ever there was a sign of how skint we are, it has to be that  :-\

Let’s hope Priti Patel doesn’t have him deported because his visa doesn’t cover construction work...
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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #1294 on: October 2, 2021, 05:02:01 am »
I've done a quick overlay of the Level 00 plan on a screenshot of the drone footage and to me that's just basic enabling works. The concrete pours are probably protection for services

I dont think there's any foundations yet apart from possibly three near the Main Stand. I'll see if I can find the structural scheme in the planning documents and do an other overlay.

Yellow shows the rear elevation of the existing stand, the Anfield Road diversion and the outline of the extension

*edit - I've amended the image as the perspective was slightly out. The areas lower left are on the structural line so could be raft foundations. I'll check the structural scheme. However there is still a lot of foundation work to be done before any steel or concrete is built above ground level.

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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #1295 on: October 2, 2021, 06:34:51 am »
Wherever you stand on the owners’ transfer policy, there’s no doubting FSG’s commitment to investing in Liverpool’s infrastructure.

The new £110 million Main Stand, which opened in 2016, added 8,500 seats. It’s been a huge success, with match-day revenues increasing by nearly £20 million per season before the pandemic hit.

FSG then turned Klopp’s vision into reality with the £50 million new training complex at Kirkby after Liverpool outgrew their Melwood base.

Now they have given the green light to the Anfield Road project that will see the existing lower tier refurbished and a new upper tier built above it. The scheme will create around 400 new match-day roles, in addition to the 2,200 people currently employed at each home game.

Initially, the cost was expected to be around £60 million but The Athletic can reveal that has since climbed to around £80 million following changes to the design and the increase in the bill for construction.

Crucially, in terms of revenues, the existing capacity won’t be affected during the building process.

When you add in the new retail store at Anfield and the investment in the new pitch and drainage facilities, that comes to around £250 million.

Further increases in Anfield’s capacity would be difficult given the space constraints of the Sir Kenny Dalglish Stand and the Kop. “We just haven’t looked at it. No plans, we’ve had no discussions,” says Hughes.

What about paying for the Anfield Road stand? In the case of the Main Stand, the owners gave Liverpool a low-interest £110 million loan that is being chipped away at with annual payments. Liverpool have since expanded their credit facility and has the option of taking on debt if it was necessary.

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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #1296 on: October 2, 2021, 08:54:49 am »
Initially, the cost was expected to be around £60 million but The Athletic can reveal that has since climbed to around £80 million following changes to the design and the increase in the bill for construction.

Interesting - so the cost of construction has gone up she to an increase in the bill for construction. 

Insightful stuff.

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« Reply #1297 on: October 2, 2021, 10:25:55 am »
That would be awesome and FSG like Fenway will look at every way to increase capacity, i do remember plans that were on the Echo about future pedestrianisation of WBR, some nice pics of it but haven't heard or seen anything for a couple of years about it.

The Anfield Project for WBR (widening pavements etc) has been shelved by the council.

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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #1298 on: October 2, 2021, 03:06:12 pm »
I've went into that SSC thread and called out his bullshit. A 22k kop is impossible. Someone deleted it! 😂
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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #1299 on: October 2, 2021, 03:08:28 pm »
I've went into that SSC thread and called out his bullshit. A 22k kop is impossible. Someone deleted it! 😂

The Kop is already near 13k mate and he said 2.5 times its current size which takes it to about 30k, which is even more unbelievable than 22k!

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« Reply #1300 on: October 2, 2021, 03:11:44 pm »
The Kop is already near 13k mate and he said 2.5 times its current size which takes it to about 30k, which is even more unbelievable than 22k!

Actually it's 32.5k but who's counting when it comes to ridiculous numbers? ;D

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« Reply #1301 on: October 2, 2021, 03:13:29 pm »
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« Reply #1302 on: October 2, 2021, 03:15:14 pm »
Actually it's 32.5k but who's counting when it comes to ridiculous numbers? ;D



Hope there's escalators up to the top, and oxygen cannisters to keep us going ;D

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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #1303 on: October 2, 2021, 03:19:47 pm »
Actually it's 32.5k but who's counting when it comes to ridiculous numbers? ;D

Actually it's 32,255  :jester

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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #1304 on: October 2, 2021, 04:24:21 pm »
I've went into that SSC thread and called out his bullshit. A 22k kop is impossible. Someone deleted it! 😂

Ahh, I was hoping they'd at least get it back to the 28,000 it used to hold when I first stood on it. Never mind.  :sad

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« Reply #1305 on: October 2, 2021, 04:36:37 pm »
Hope there's escalators up to the top, and oxygen cannisters to keep us going ;D
We'll need crampons in winter if it snows too. Maybe a chair lift?

At least exiting the Kop afterwards will be quick and easy.
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« Reply #1306 on: October 2, 2021, 04:57:31 pm »
Actually it's 32,255  :jester

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« Reply #1307 on: October 2, 2021, 05:13:36 pm »
;D

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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #1308 on: October 2, 2021, 05:20:53 pm »
Interesting - so the cost of construction has gone up she to an increase in the bill for construction. 

Insightful stuff.

Has Moshiri noticed the increase in construction costs? ;D

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« Reply #1309 on: October 2, 2021, 05:27:07 pm »
Has Moshiri noticed the increase in construction costs? ;D

Surely you'd only look if you were intending on building something...  ;D

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« Reply #1310 on: October 2, 2021, 05:30:17 pm »
Has Moshiri noticed the increase in construction costs? ;D
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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #1311 on: October 3, 2021, 10:06:04 am »
One thing that’s puzzling me is the Athletic’s report that costs for the new Annie Road COULD rise £20m to £80m due to changes in the design and increased construction costs… surely the club would have agreed a fixed price before they submitted the final planning application and that would already have contained all design changes?   
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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #1312 on: October 3, 2021, 10:07:37 am »
Think the point is a few years ago they expected it to cost £60m, but since prices have gone up and design changes have been made which has seen the final cost increase.

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« Reply #1313 on: October 3, 2021, 10:30:07 am »
Also, I think the original approved planning application was for 5000 seats only.
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« Reply #1314 on: October 3, 2021, 10:44:44 am »
Also, I think the original approved planning application was for 5000 seats only.

Yeah, that's the one they allowed to lapse so they could submit the new proposal. Knowing as they do the logistical difficulties expanding the SKD and Kop, getting as much out of the ARE makes sense for FSG.
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Re: Anfield Road Extension - Planning Permission Submitted
« Reply #1315 on: October 3, 2021, 10:14:56 pm »
One thing that’s puzzling me is the Athletic’s report that costs for the new Annie Road COULD rise £20m to £80m due to changes in the design and increased construction costs… surely the club would have agreed a fixed price before they submitted the final planning application and that would already have contained all design changes?   

Not a chance. No contractor is going to take on that kind of risk-  or if they did, they'd give a price no one would accept. If they'd price the steel in Nov 2020, they'd have lost their shirts before Jurgen put a spade in the ground - probably not bothered turning up.

As for design changes, a planning design is not even close to being buildable. If it were, the designers would charge a fortune for it and if it didn't get consent...
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« Reply #1316 on: October 3, 2021, 10:19:26 pm »
I know we joke about "filling in the corners" but indulge me for a moment, say we did how many extra seats could we get in if we did up all 4 corners of the ground?  :D

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« Reply #1317 on: October 3, 2021, 10:29:56 pm »
I know we joke about "filling in the corners" but indulge me for a moment, say we did how many extra seats could we get in if we did up all 4 corners of the ground?  :D

The stands already go way past the goal and sidelines and the lower levels are already knitted into each other - so not that many. It's ages since I worked it out. Roughly 600 in each corner ?
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« Reply #1318 on: October 3, 2021, 10:39:16 pm »
Thanks mate! so fill in the corner post Annie Road development and we're on for about 63.5K capacity.  :D

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« Reply #1319 on: October 3, 2021, 10:59:07 pm »
Thanks mate! so fill in the corner post Annie Road development and we're on for about 63.5K capacity.  :D

Given that each seat will probably cost North of £10,000 to build, go figure...