Topic: Racism in Football

[TSC]

One twitter racist has been reported to his employer - nothing to do with twitter but other uses screenshotting and reporting it


He had a good job as well


such a shame eh

Heard on the radio earlier about some ‘marketing exec’ from Manchester who had a personal account under his own name and another one he used to post racist crap.  In some apparent drunken state last night he mistakenly used his personal account to post racist stuff.

[Riquende]

The future king of the land getting in on it too this morning: Sickened, unacceptable, abhorrent behaviour etc.

Trouble is, he's done stuff like this:



Now, whilst I'm sure that procession wasn't done with any racist intent, it clearly reinforces the outdated vibe of the white colonial conqueror/saviour being better than the 'black savage'. These people set the tone for rest of the country by their behaviour, and then offer quick condemnations of the actions they've influenced.

[Kenny's Jacket]

Heard on the radio earlier about some ‘marketing exec’ from Manchester who had a personal account under his own name and another one he used to post racist crap.  In some apparent drunken state last night he mistakenly used his personal account to post racist stuff.

Might be a different one

the one I Saw was a building manager working for a major Property Management company

[So… Howard Philips]

I agree with Misty, until we start showing these c*nts faces on posters and shaming them, it will contunue. Drag them out from their cowardly hidey holes and line the fuckers up.

a couple of years ago a couple of trolls were prosecuted and dragged to Court out of their cellars.

An ugly pair of twats with the full menu of phony mitigating circumstances to make sure they didn't get their just desserts.

[Crosby Nick]

The racist abuse on social media is as shameful as it is predictable. Absolutely pathetic.

[killer-heels]

Nobody wants to make the tough decisions and do what is necessary therefore you have accept it.

[Flaccido Dongingo]

The racist abuse on social media is as shameful as it is predictable. Absolutely pathetic.

It's so easy though, make account > spout loads of racism > get banned > create new account using a VPN > rinse and repeat ad infinitum.

However I don't think that verifying accounts with ID is a good idea either, as there are lots of whistleblower/anti racist/anti government oppression accounts that do great things, and they're (obviously) anonymous, such a system would compromise them, and would just make the Internet more authoritarian and governments or racists wouldn't be held to account either.

[scouseman]

Everybody should have to provide a valid form of ID like a passport to open a social media account. The ISP's need to be held more account and the likes of Google. 

[BarryCrocker]

Where are the hacker groups in exposing these pieces of scum?

[El Lobo]

It's so easy though, make account > spout loads of racism > get banned > create new account using a VPN > rinse and repeat ad infinitum.

However I don't think that verifying accounts with ID is a good idea either, as there are lots of whistleblower/anti racist/anti government oppression accounts that do great things, and they're (obviously) anonymous, such a system would compromise them, and would just make the Internet more authoritarian and governments or racists wouldn't be held to account either.

So give them a choice. If you're not prepared to verify your account, give others the option to 'only accept verified users' in terms of comments etc. Can't be that difficult, I'm no social media expert but I know the likes of Facebook and Instagram give you the option of only making posts available to friends etc.

[Bend It Like Aurelio]

I think Zaha coming out against taking the knee really gave more impetus for these people to be more brazen the last few months, especially from the political sphere.

[killer-heels]

Everybody should have to provide a valid form of ID like a passport to open a social media account. The ISP's need to be held more account and the likes of Google. 

Yeah but what about the situation when we get a dictator in charge etc etc.

[TSC]

Might be a different one

the one I Saw was a building manager working for a major Property Management company

May be same one.  He works for a company called Savills

[Flaccido Dongingo]

Yeah but what about the situation when we get a dictator in charge etc etc.

Which is exactly the point I was making

[oojason]

'Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson and Priti Patel branded 'total hypocrites' over condemnation of racist abuse':-

https://news.sky.com/story/euro-2020-boris-johnson-and-priti-patel-branded-total-hypocrites-over-condemnation-of-racist-abuse-12354144



'‘Unforgivable’: Gareth Southgate on racist abuse of England players':-

www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jul/12/gareth-southgate-racist-abuse-of-england-players-unforgiveable



'Reaction after England suffer Euro 2020 final heartbreak' post-match live blog - www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/57800991

'Abuse of England players condemned - Rashford mural vandalised' blog - www.theguardian.com/football/live/2021/jul/12/euro-2020-reaction-italy-england-final-latest-news

[Kenny's Jacket]

May be same one.  He works for a company called Savills

yeah thats him

[HomesickRed]

Whilst the abuse on social media is sadly predictable, it's much worse to see a city abusing one of its own:

Marcus Rashford mural defaced after England Euro 2020 defeat

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-57803161

[Pistolero]

GB News host and Blue Labour arsewipe Paul Embery slams the media for reporting on racism

https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1414550487978942465?s=19

[Sangria]

One twitter racist has been reported to his employer - nothing to do with twitter but other uses screenshotting and reporting it


He had a good job as well


such a shame eh

The most effective way of policing social media.

[BarryCrocker]

No racism down here in a country that wiped our first nation people and forced one of our greatest AFL players to retire early.

[Kenny's Jacket]

A "comedian"  called Andrew Lawrence has been caught too. that's his career over whoever he is

people are fucking stupid

[So… Howard Philips]

No racism down here in a country that wiped our first nation people and forced one of our greatest AFL players to retire early.

Is 7News a Murdoch enterprise by any chance?

[I've been a good boy]

Is anyone really surprised anymore? The country is run by a massive racist, who has never taken responsibility for his actions and has never ever apologised for any wrongdoing, of which he has shitloads.

The country has never been more divided, it's all thanks to the likes of Patel and Johnson who are evil to the core and genuinely do not give a shit about the average working person. As long as their pockets have money in them, that's all that matters.

[Flaccido Dongingo]

No racism down here in a country that wiped our first nation people and forced one of our greatest AFL players to retire early.

I wish I could say I'm surprised, sadly I'm not.

[BarryCrocker]

Is 7News a Murdoch enterprise by any chance?

Actually, the major shareholder is a fairly decent media mogul, if there is such a thing named Kerry Stokes.

[Pistolero]

A "comedian"  called Andrew Lawrence has been caught too. that's his career over whoever he is

people are fucking stupid

horrible little twat that....a bitter failed standup who went full on extreme bigoted whackjob to gain a bit of notoriety and relevance.....very pleasingly, once saw him get seriously fuckin lamped by an Underbelly audience member at the Edinburgh Fringe ...it really should happen to him more often

[reddebs]

Appalling, not surprising and I'd like to say that with a concerted effort by every football fan in the land we could put a stop to it.  Or at least make enough noise and our feelings felt strongly enough for something to change.

My problem with that is I feel it's so engrained amongst so many within the sport, from grass roots to the FA and other authorities, that it's impossible to be taken seriously.

Absolutely sickening what's been allowed to happen in this country 😔

[reddebs]

Paul's just saying the gobshite from savills is pleading the age old "my phone was nicked" so how does that explain 2 different accounts.

Just accept you're a racist fucking shitbag and take the beating you deserve.  Twat!

[Crosby Nick]

No racism down here in a country that wiped our first nation people and forced one of our greatest AFL players to retire early.

I’m definitely not wanting to defend this but I think I saw a screenshot that head an extra headline talking about the racist abuse the players had received. I think that subhead in your screenshot, was giving that some context as opposed to just saying 3 black players missed in a way to blame them.

If I’ve got that wrong then obviously I apologise (and not disagreeing with your wider point).

[Kenny's Jacket]

I’m definitely not wanting to defend this but I think I saw a screenshot that head an extra headline talking about the racist abuse the players had received. I think that subhead in your screenshot, was giving that some context as opposed to just saying 3 black players missed in a way to blame them.

If I’ve got that wrong then obviously I apologise (and not disagreeing with your wider point).

Ive seen the same - the headline in context makes sense, the main article was about the abuse the 3 of them got

[BarryCrocker]

Ive seen the same - the headline in context makes sense, the main article was about the abuse the 3 of them got

7 News said the post included a “regrettable” error.

“The caption on the post was swiftly rectified as soon as it was identified. We sincerely apologise for the offence the post caused.”

[Broad Spectrum]

I’m definitely not wanting to defend this but I think I saw a screenshot that head an extra headline talking about the racist abuse the players had received. I think that subhead in your screenshot, was giving that some context as opposed to just saying 3 black players missed in a way to blame them.

If I’ve got that wrong then obviously I apologise (and not disagreeing with your wider point).

That’s a good spot, because no doubt they’ll be getting abuse for this now.

[Kenny's Jacket]

Ive no desire to  defend an unknown aussie tv channel - but the article was about the abuse, Aussies, not being experts in "Soccer" would need to know that 3 black players missed pens to understand the backdrop to the story
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[CalgarianRed]

Everybody should have to provide a valid form of ID like a passport to open a social media account. The ISP's need to be held more account and the likes of Google.

That's not the solution. That will compromise the idea of free internet and used by authoritarian governments to track their citizens. Sets a very bad precedent.

Advanced AI filtering that deletes and blocks users who post racist content might be better. We got to demand more from the big tech companies. They basically print money so there is no shortage of resources.

[UntouchableLuis]

There's a serious issue with white males in this country at the minute. Vast majority of this shit is from that group- what can be done? It can't all be down to education- parents have to start taking responsibility if their son is basically a racist thug.

[stockdam]

Disgusted by the activity of some of these so called fans. Funnily enough as soon as Saka missed it was inevitable those black players were going to get a torrent of abuse

Sick to death of this myth being perpetuated that england isn't that bad or racist, it's an absolute joke and i've been through enough personal experiences and seen enough to know it's a lot more prevelant than people care to admit

If we are talking about online abuse then how do we know it was English fans or even football fans? Anyone in the world can post on, say, Twitter. That doesn't make it any better though but the problem with Twitter is that any asshole can post whatever they want and there's very little comeback if at all. There needs to be some way of verifying who you are or limiting the number of accounts a person has (I guess most of the idiots keep changing their usernames). Twitter is a cesspit of idiots and the company needs to do something instead of hiding behind "freedom" of speech.

The long term fix though is not regulation but education but I'm not sure how to educate people who are that bigoted or dumb to racially abuse anyone. Some of the blame lies within "all" of us for the small things that we probably do but aren't aware of. I do think things are getting better and the link between the older generation is weakening (I'm old btw). 50 years or so ago the world was different and it was "ok" to say certain things.

Oh and it's not just racism that is a problem in society. I live in Ireland and it's amazing at times the amount of hatred towards the "English" which is a systemic thing. Let's not go down that rabbit hole though.

Back to the point.......what small things could I do to make things better?

[please, I have my reasons for it but...]

Everybody should have to provide a valid form of ID like a passport to open a social media account. The ISP's need to be held more account and the likes of Google.

People from third world countries will suffer even greater because of this.

That's a bad solution.

[Riquende]

There's a serious issue with white males in this country at the minute.

It's not just in the UK, and it is a far wider issue than in football too. All this incel stuff, the gaming thing from a few years back, and "MGTOW" etc - there's a lot of online radicalisation going on. There's so much anger there.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Probably been posted, but here it is again if so.


https://www.change.org/p/football-association-and-oliver-dowden-sec-of-state-dcms-pm-boris-johnson-ban-racists-for-life-from-all-football-matches-in-england?redirect=false

[Riquende]

If we are talking about online abuse then how do we know it was English fans or even football fans? Anyone in the world can post on, say, Twitter.

I assume the initial movement on a lot of these things is led by bot farms operating out of Russia etc. Just keep spamming the same hate, stoke the existing divisions and sit back and watch your political rival's social cohesiveness crumble. The worse you make it, the easier it is next time, and so on.