Topic: Virgil Van Dijk (Cpt)

[Rush 82]

Wrong, medical staff will have a pretty good idea on what is wrong right now. MRI only confirms their diagnosis, it doesn't make it.

Same. If it's not ACL it's a pretty big MCL/LCL injury.

You're usually spot on.


Fuck

[redhokie8]

Wrong, medical staff will have a pretty good idea on what is wrong right now. MRI only confirms their diagnosis, it doesn't make it.

Same. If it's not ACL it's a pretty big MCL/LCL injury.

Let me rephrase. The medical will no doubt have a pretty good idea of what's going on, but won't know exactly what's going on until they see the scan. They generally have a pretty good idea, but the MRI is conclusive, and the won't know until that happens.

Could be meniscus as well, which wouldn't be nearly as bad.

[ScouserAtHeart]

We'll know more by Monday at least. Let's try and not drive ourselves crazy.

Imperative Matip stays fit now.

[rawcusk8]

We'll know more by Monday at least. Let's try and not drive ourselves crazy.

Imperative Matip stays fit now.

Well that’s us fucked even more 

[Fromola]

If he's out long term (and you're talking months realistically) we might have to sack off the CL. We can't risk Matip and Gomez every 3 days until the transfer window opens.

And if Thiago is fucked then we need Fabinho in midfield.

The VAR decisions are annoying but it's a win for Everton because they've fucked our season again with the injuries (Mori on Origi). They'll be street parties later on County Road at the injuries.

[Fiasco]

If he's out long term (and you're talking months realistically) we might have to sack off the CL. We can't risk Matip and Gomez every 3 days until the transfer window opens.

And if Thiago is fucked then we need Fabinho in midfield.

Nah, we've got Milner as an option hopefully Ox to come back soon. Curtis Jones or Minamino could drop deeper as well.

[rafathegaffa83]

Well that’s us fucked even more 

To be fair, given the injury histories of Matip and Gomez, it was imperative we signed a 4th choice CB. We saw what happened with Man City last season.

[Hedley Lamarr]

I wouldn't even make Matip train barring some aerobic exercises.  Make him do some running and wrap him up in cotton wool.

[Fiasco]

To be fair, given the injury histories of Matip and Gomez, it was imperative we signed a 4th choice CB. We saw what happened with Man City last season.

Very easy to sit here after the fact, but the line trotted about in the summer was 'If VVD is out for a period of time then we're fucked.'



Gomez out of form, Matip back but can't be relied upon injury wise. Rhys Williams will be in and around the first team squad now perhaps.

[jillcwhomever]

I wouldn't even make Matip train barring some aerobic exercises.  Make him do some running and wrap him up in cotton wool.

The problem is he has to get used to working with Joe and I presume Fab will play at the back a bit more. They can only do that by training together.

[jillcwhomever]

To be fair, given the injury histories of Matip and Gomez, it was imperative we signed a 4th choice CB. We saw what happened with Man City last season.

We can use Fab though I would prefer him in midfield. If Klopp can't see someone better than what we already have he won't buy.

[Welshred]

You're usually spot on.


Fuck

Really, really hope I'm wrong.

[JackWard33]

To be fair, given the injury histories of Matip and Gomez, it was imperative we signed a 4th choice CB. We saw what happened with Man City last season.

Once more for the cheap seats... Fabinho’s our 4th choice CB ... and probably the best 4th choice CB in the league

[So… Howard Philips]

Really, really hope I'm wrong.

So do I.

You a beacon of knowledge and reason but I hope you have your head up your arse on this one.

[farawayred]

Really, really hope I'm wrong.

Me too mate, I wish you knew fuck all...

[Stockholm Syndrome]

Once more for the cheap seats... Fabinho’s our 4th choice CB ... and probably the best 4th choice CB in the league

But if Thiago is out injured, I would think we might need Fabinho in the centre

[killer-heels]

But if Thiago is out injured, I would think we might need Fabinho in the centre

You are guessing he is out months. Do you know this info?

Well if Thiago is injured, we play Henderson, Wijnaldum, Milner, Keita in midfield. We won the league without Thiago remember.

[Nick110581]

Really, really hope I'm wrong.

What timelines would we be looking at ?

[jillcwhomever]

But if Thiago is out injured, I would think we might need Fabinho in the centre

I think Klopp will be hoping Matip stays injury free and he and Joe create a partnership in the meantime.

[darragh85]

i think strained ligaments is probably the best we can hope for. hopefully not a bad tear.

[Fromola]

Very easy to sit here after the fact, but the line trotted about in the summer was 'If VVD is out for a period of time then we're fucked.'



Gomez out of form, Matip back but can't be relied upon injury wise. Rhys Williams will be in and around the first team squad now perhaps.

Which was obvious, but at the same time unless we were going to go out and spend big money then where do you get that VVD replacement? City spent silly money on Nathan Ake for example who'd fit the bill, but we didn't have that money to throw about on a 4th choice.

If we'd got some random in for 5-10 mill who'd need time to adjust to our backline etc, than we'd be no less fucked by having the worlds best defender out. Both their goals today are cleared by Virgil.

[MinnyRed]

Really, really hope I'm wrong.

What do you think of this analysis?

https://youtu.be/UIs_aX4uF5g

It’s obviously speculative. Seems to imply 4 weeks is best case

[Nick110581]

Which was obvious, but at the same time unless we were going to go out and spend big money then where do you get that VVD replacement? City spent silly money on Nathan Ake for example who'd fit the bill, but we didn't have that money to throw about on a 4th choice.

If we'd got some random in for 5-10 mill who'd need time to adjust to our backline etc, than we'd be no less fucked by having the worlds best defender out. Both their goals today are cleared by Virgil.

Did we need to sell Lovren?

[JackWard33]

Did we need to sell Lovren?

Yup.
He’s a worse CB than Fabinho

[royhendo]

Looks a bad one to me that’s for sure.

[Eeyore]

Wrong, medical staff will have a pretty good idea on what is wrong right now. MRI only confirms their diagnosis, it doesn't make it.

Same. If it's not ACL it's a pretty big MCL/LCL injury.

The stills of the hyperextension of his knee are horrific. I think it is a bad one as well.

[Fiasco]

Which was obvious, but at the same time unless we were going to go out and spend big money then where do you get that VVD replacement? City spent silly money on Nathan Ake for example who'd fit the bill, but we didn't have that money to throw about on a 4th choice.

If we'd got some random in for 5-10 mill who'd need time to adjust to our backline etc, than we'd be no less fucked by having the worlds best defender out. Both their goals today are cleared by Virgil.

I get that, but we're not exclusively fucked with just Van Dijk being out. We're potentially fucked because we don't have a tonne of options anyway and the ones we do have are prone to injury. It is just a pure numbers issue.

We probably have a centre half lined up for next summer - we do operate several windows ahead - but it becomes somewhat negligent to take the risk of not investing. In that case, keep Lovren, for as dodgy as he was.

[Fromola]

Did we need to sell Lovren?

If we had kept him then everyone would be panicking that Lovren was going to get a run in the team. Not much different than they have with Adrian.

I think it was time he left and we should really have got someone in, but ultimately finances dictate why we couldn't throw 25-30 mill at Ben White for example and another left back was more of a priority for defensive cover. A Klavan type buy would not mitigate the loss of Van Dijk.

[rafathegaffa83]

Very easy to sit here after the fact, but the line trotted about in the summer was 'If VVD is out for a period of time then we're fucked'

To be fair, I was saying this in the transfer threads in the summer. It was so obvious that there would be an issue if he suffered a bad injury given the injury histories of Gomez and Matip. It's all well and good having Fabinho as a 4th choice in an emergency, but for a potentially prolonged period of time it becomes a problem. The same thing happened to Man City last season when Fernandinho was moved to CB because Laporte was injured

[Working Class Hen-Pecked Hero]

Thing is with injuries if it's on the player, or a freak accident it doesn't feel as bad, sometimes even a miss timed tackle you take on the chin. That today is horrendous, no matter what the actual injury is, and nothing more. Not one fucking thing will come from it for that little c*nt

[whtwht]

We got Nat phillips still so all good.

[MD1990]

if it was an ACL.
 
Wonder would we offer big money for Upamecano in January?

[DelTrotter]

Going by the language from the manager it might be a while. Sickening to see a talentless scumbag assaulting someone and then not even being punished for it. Think we could cope as we are so good in every other area but it's not ideal especially as we know Matip will get injured again before 2020 is out.

[Fiasco]

if it was an ACL.
 
Wonder would we offer big money for Upamecano in January?

I think we'd offer big money for whoever we've got lined up, because you can bet your last dime we've got someone in mind (or maybe a couple of options).

[Hedley Lamarr]

Gone for a scan, alongside Thiago.

[jillcwhomever]

Gone for a scan, alongside Thiago.

Got everything crossed without feeling at all confident. 

[killer-heels]

Deploy the body language spies!

[Mister Flip Flop]

I usually calm down after an hour or so after a game like that but I'm sorry that assault on Virgil is absolutely disgraceful. You can be guaranteed Duncan Ferguson is instructing Everton players to carry on like that when playing us.

[slotmachine]

Yup.
He’s a worse CB than Fabinho

Joke of an opinion that. Fabinho would have to have a larger sample size than 2 games for that opinion to be true. Lovren went because it was the last chance to get good money for a player in the last year of is contract and in his 30's and the player himself wanted to play more and Klopp a lot of the time actually does what's best for the player rather than sometimes what is best for the club. He knew Degsy had a chance of first team football as well as a long term contract in his 30's and did a solid for a very good servant.

Klopp would have loved to have Lovren around for another year because he is a great leader in the dressing room as well as experienced option to start 15-20 games at a pinch. Fucking hell the way Liverpool fans talk about Dejan Lovren like he is a Nicky Tanner level defender bewilders me. After today i would love to still have Degsy as part of the squad but that's just hindsight on my part. Klopp did right by the player and that is why players love him.

[bornandbRED]

Aware that adrenaline can mean players continue playing/walking i.e Lucas when he did his, but he seemed to walk off pretty nonchalantly. A slight positive perhaps, as in my anecdotal experience of injuring my knee, I couldn’t stand for hours.