Topic: Emre Can

[CraigDS]

Well, Fernandinho is 32 so will only have a couple years left so Can would be a natural replacement for him at City.  Khedira, Marchisio, Matuidi are all 30+ so Juve will need to replace them sooner rather then later.  And if he ends up at Bayern he’ll be rotating with Martinez (who’s 30 next year) and Sule at the #6 depending on who their next manager is and their tactical setup. 

For me, I think he’ll have no problem playing in his preferred position wherever he goes.  He has the talent and the potential to be a top player, and at 23, his best years are still in front of him.  The fact that so many on here are ok with him leaving is pretty mind boggling to be honest.  There’s a reason why 3 of the top teams in the world are interested in signing him and it’s not just because he’ll go there on a free.   

Yet under multiple managers he hasn’t been able to force his way into his preferred position ahead of a player who many don’t consider all that good, even when that player has had long spells out through injury.

But yeah, of course he’ll get into the sides you say are some of the top in the world.

[Eeyore]

Yet under multiple managers he hasn’t been able to force his way into his preferred position ahead of a player who many don’t consider all that good, even when that player has had long spells out through injury.

But yeah, of course he’ll get into the sides you say are some of the top in the world.

By multiple you mean 2 don't you Craig.

As for Can forcing his way into his preferred position ahead of Henderson ? I presume.

Well that multiple managers all of a sudden becomes 1 because Henderson certainly wasn't Rodgers first choice.

Let's get real here Can arrived as a teenager and in 3 and a bit seasons has played 144 games. If we lose him on a free it will be a big blow. He should of been tied down to a long term performance related deal that suited both the player and the club.

[CraigDS]

By multiple you mean 2 don't you Craig.

Are you going to try and argue two isn't multiple now?

As for Can forcing his way into his preferred position ahead of Henderson ? I presume.

Well that multiple managers all of a sudden becomes 1 because Henderson certainly wasn't Rodgers first choice.

Let's get real here Can arrived as a teenager and in 3 and a bit seasons has played 144 games. If we lose him on a free it will be a big blow. He should of been tied down to a long term performance related deal that suited both the player and the club.

Not sure why you've quoted me then argued some other point, which I don't disagree with, about what we should have done 1-2 years ago now.

Just surprised you've managed to post without mentioning Edwards.

[tubby]

Are you going to try and argue two isn't multiple now?

Not sure why you've quoted me then argued some other point, which I don't disagree with, about what we should have done 1-2 years ago now.

Just surprised you've managed to post without mentioning Edwards.

It was a silent Edwards.

[BigTroubleInLittleChina]

I think if Hendo wasn`t captain, we`d see Can alot more even if Hendo was fit. Next year with Naby in (if the Goretzka rumours are true also....) we probably won`t see him start many games. But i can see Can being picked before Hendo next season if he is still here.

[Shaved Crossbar]

Would not mind him replacing Fernandinho at City at all. Doesn't have the passing or energy to play as their 6 and their midfield would become impossibly porous.

[G a r y]

If he doesn't want to sign, sell him in January and try and get something for him.

I'm sure we could get £10m for him on January 1st.

It isn't a huge blow and I won't be losing much sleep over it. I'd sell him and Coutinho in January if they want to go. Spend the money on the back - obviously try and get the deals done now (for players coming in) rather than being classic Liverpool and leaving ourselves short.

[Sheer Magnetism]

Putting aside the transfer fee, would anyone really be upset about Can going if Keita and Goretzka end up coming in? Seems like a huge upgrade to me.

[El Lobo]

If he doesn't want to sign, sell him in January and try and get something for him.

I'm sure we could get £10m for him on January 1st.

It isn't a huge blow and I won't be losing much sleep over it. I'd sell him and Coutinho in January if they want to go. Spend the money on the back - obviously try and get the deals done now (for players coming in) rather than being classic Liverpool and leaving ourselves short.

That's pocket money now mate, that probably wouldn't pay for someone from the Championship

[G a r y]

That's pocket money now mate, that probably wouldn't pay for someone from the Championship

Absolutely, but it is what we paid for him. With 6 months left on his contract we aren't really in the position to argue are we?

I'd rather not have him around, offer the £10m to Leipzig for Keita?

[Dim Glas]

Absolutely, but it is what we paid for him. With 6 months left on his contract we aren't really in the position to argue are we?

I'd rather not have him around, offer the £10m to Leipzig for Keita?

 

Keita isn't coming to Liverpool in Januuary. Why would Leipzig take an extra 10 mill to lose him for 5 months. They aren't poor, and more importantly they are 2nd in the Bundesliga, they want to make sure they stay in the automatic CL qualification spots this year, and keeping Keita is important to that. That's worth more to them.

 

[El Lobo]

Absolutely, but it is what we paid for him. With 6 months left on his contract we aren't really in the position to argue are we?

I'd rather not have him around, offer the £10m to Leipzig for Keita?

That's what I mean though, at this rate its probably better having him in the squad for 6 months than to try and work out a replacement for those six months

[M7 Heckler]

Been finding it really difficult to sleep recently with this whole Emre Can situation.

[G a r y]

That's what I mean though, at this rate its probably better having him in the squad for 6 months than to try and work out a replacement for those six months

Fair enough, do you think he starts when all midfielders are fit though? £10m is £10m, i'd rather put it towards a replacement

[El Lobo]

Fair enough, do you think he starts when all midfielders are fit though? £10m is £10m, i'd rather put it towards a replacement

Nah I don't but until the end of the season we've got Hendo, Can, Wijnaldum, Lallana, Coutinho and Grujic and pretty much all of them are prone to an injury or two.

I'd rather just keep him until the end of the season and then whatever happens, happens.

[G a r y]

They certainly are all injury prone. Can see both sides

[The Test]

My only issue with him leaving is the subsequent lack of height /strength in midfield. We're already tiny.  Add Keita to the midfield mix next season and Anfield's going to look like Lilliput when the West Broms and Watfords come calling. Can't be that hard to identify a player with similar stature but a tad more mobility.

[afc tukrish]

They certainly are all injury prone. Can see both sides

Not sure I Lallana both sides, though...

[Dim Glas]

My only issue with him leaving is the subsequent lack of height /strength in midfield. We're already tiny.  Add Keita to the midfield mix next season and Anfield's going to look like Lilliput when the West Broms and Watfords come calling. Can't be that hard to identify a player with similar stature but a tad more mobility.

Denis Zakaria, there done. Easy this scouting lark 

[lionel_messias]

My only issue with him leaving is the subsequent lack of height /strength in midfield. We're already tiny.  Add Keita to the midfield mix next season and Anfield's going to look like Lilliput when the West Broms and Watfords come calling. Can't be that hard to identify a player with similar stature but a tad more mobility.

It's fine I think Leon Goretzka is 6'2. Plus West Ham's midfield will be too busy chasing Naby Keita's shadow to be worried about how big they are.

[Vinay]

Who said Leon Goretzka is coming to Liverpool?

[Dim Glas]

Who said Leon Goretzka is coming to Liverpool?

No one.  There was some comments about him wanting to move to the premier league at the end of his Schalke deal made by Oliver Bierhoff , but he since backtracked and said he was talking hypothetically.

There will be about 20 clubs making approaches for him in January.

[hassinator]

Hahahahahaha city, juve, bayern, dortmund not top sides  emre can average player hahah jesus

picking up at £30-40m asset for free might be something to do with it.

*rolling eyes emoticon*

[Suareznumber7]

Yet under multiple managers he hasn’t been able to force his way into his preferred position ahead of a player who many don’t consider all that good, even when that player has had long spells out through injury.

But yeah, of course he’ll get into the sides you say are some of the top in the world.

I’m not sure I would use a manager that played Firmino as a wingback as an argument against a player being good enough or not to play in his preferred position. 

[hassinator]

Was Coutinho as consistent as he is now 2 seasons ago?
He wasn't.

Why the double standard for Can? Cause he's set to leave?

not really sure what your point is here as it's framed so vaguely.

did coutinho look like he'd be a world beating AM two years ago?  yes, he did.

does handsome emre look being a world beating MF now? not to my eyes as he just doesn't seem quick enough in mind or body for the premiership.

do i want to keep him?  sure but i'm not massively arsed if he goes either.

[hassinator]

Not really a double standard, Coutinho was always better than Can. I mean he played a big part in our team when we were a couple of pts away from winning the PL. Coutinho was better back then- a lot better - than Can is now. But of course he’s stepped it up a lot as well since.

hello baz - haven't seen you on here for ages

[hassinator]

I think if Hendo wasn`t captain, we`d see Can alot more even if Hendo was fit. Next year with Naby in (if the Goretzka rumours are true also....) we probably won`t see him start many games. But i can see Can being picked before Hendo next season if he is still here.

henderson will be 28 next season.  hardly time for the knackers yard.

[hassinator]

Who said Leon Goretzka is coming to Liverpool?

don ballon from spain yesterday.  it has been picked up by all the usual suspects.

[macnianios]

started as right back for Germany agaisnt France

doesn't look good so far

[Curtisinho]

started as right back for Germany agaisnt France

doesn't look good so far

to be honest Can is not a very good footballer. I know a lot of people are in love with his talent and physical ability but he's got no toolbox and his lack of quickness of movement and thought make his strong attributes lackluster.

[smicer07]

to be honest Can is not a very good footballer. I know a lot of people are in love with his talent and physical ability but he's got no toolbox and his lack of quickness of movement and thought make his strong attributes lackluster.

How can he not be very good? He plays for Germany and Liverpool?

[Johnnyboy1973]

Will he ever be good enough to play in his best position?

[Curtisinho]

How can he not be very good? He plays for Germany and Liverpool?

Both teams play better when he's not playing for them, IMO.

[Redcap]

to be honest Can is not a very good footballer. I know a lot of people are in love with his talent and physical ability but he's got no toolbox and his lack of quickness of movement and thought make his strong attributes lackluster.

Yeah.. let the preemptive revisionism begin.

Some of our best moves in the last couple of seasons have involved Can's quickness of thought.

Can's key weaknesses as a midfielder are that he's not good when being pressed and is too casual tracking back.

The former is unfortunately an issue with two of our midfielders, Henderson being the other. The fact that the two of them do often player together, exacerbates the problem.

I think we'd be okay if Can left, because I don't think he's a dream fit for the way we play, but there's no denying that he's very good.

[ThePeetmix]

Yeah.. let the preemptive revisionism begin.

Some of our best moves in the last couple of seasons have involved Can's quickness of thought.

Can's key weaknesses as a midfielder are that he's not good when being pressed and is too casual tracking back.

The former is unfortunately an issue with two of our midfielders, Henderson being the other. The fact that the two of them do often player together, exacerbates the problem.

I think we'd be okay if Can left, because I don't think he's a dream fit for the way we play, but there's no denying that he's very good.

I agree. He's certainly a good footballer and anyone who says other is plain mad. He's making passing combinations through the midfield and has a good shot on him. His biggest weakness is his agility. So as you say, when he gets pressed, he struggles to get away from his man.

I think one of the biggest problems he's had at the club is not having a real focused position. Started with being used as a full back and a RCB under Brendan and more recently too much switching between no.6 and no.8. I don't think being used for utility is the best thing for young players. Seems he has the same issue for Germany.

[Dim Glas]

I agree. He's certainly a good footballer and anyone who says other is plain mad. He's making passing combinations through the midfield and has a good shot on him. His biggest weakness is his agility. So as you say, when he gets pressed, he struggles to get away from his man.

I think one of the biggest problems he's had at the club is not having a real focused position. Started with being used as a full back and a RCB under Brendan and more recently too much switching between no.6 and no.8. I don't think being used for utility is the best thing for young players. Seems he has the same issue for Germany.

Althought it's that versitility that may well earn him a spot for Germany in the world cup, as he's probably 3 or 4th choice for the number 6 role for them.

Problem for Emre is that he always seems to be in this situation, even with Leverkusen, he played a number of games at fullback and some in a more number 8 midfield role. So far in his career he's always had this utility tag, which I guess can be a hindrance as much as a help sometimes.

[joekim87]

I can't see why we shouldn't have him a couple of games in the centre back position instead of Lovren or Klavan. It would make send to have him there no? Or perhaps he doesn't like it there?

[Lar Salty]

to be honest Can is not a very good footballer. I know a lot of people are in love with his talent and physical ability but he's got no toolbox and his lack of quickness of movement and thought make his strong attributes lackluster.

You're right. You probably see what Liverpool, Juventus, and the German NT can't see.

[Dim Glas]

I can't see why we shouldn't have him a couple of games in the centre back position instead of Lovren or Klavan. It would make send to have him there no? Or perhaps he doesn't like it there?

why? Is there anything to suggest he'd be any better there than players who've played there their whole careers?

[Redcap]

Althought it's that versitility that may well earn him a spot for Germany in the world cup, as he's probably 3 or 4th choice for the number 6 role for them.

Problem for Emre is that he always seems to be in this situation, even with Leverkusen, he played a number of games at fullback and some in a more number 8 midfield role. So far in his career he's always had this utility tag, which I guess can be a hindrance as much as a help sometimes.

I think he needs to just play for a team that will make the most of his strengths while protecting his weaknesses. In the same way that Salah couldn't achieve his potential playing for Mourinho, maybe Can can't achieve his potential with the way that we play. All players need this to varying degrees, and in a way it's to Can's credit that he's been an important part of our squad despite not necessarily having the requisite skill set to excel in the way we play.

So, I'm relatively relaxed about him leaving. We can replace him with someone who will suit the way we play better, and he'll hopefully achieve his potential in a league far away from us. It's a shame that we might get no money for him, but you can't say we wouldn't have gotten good value for him, having paid £10m.