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Re: Team Analysis: Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool Tactics (*)
« Reply #7801 on: April 30, 2018, 03:31:39 pm »
I've no doubt Buvac has a brilliant football brain as Klopp describes.

IF he doesn't return next season, though, I would note two things:

-We've seen little improvement in terms of Klopp's ability to change the game from the bench during his time here. I have some sympathy with him here because, compared to a few of our rivals, our squad depth just isn't there (though obviously it is ultimately Klopp responsible for creating that squad, equally you can't disregard different strategies and budgets).

-We've also seen little improvement in terms of breaking down low-block sides who don't engage us. Again, I have some sympathy, as arguably we haven't had the midfielders to help us do so, but it is ultimately up to Klopp to rectify that via tactics and signings.

Perhaps some fresh insight would do the world of good for all parties? 17 years is a long time to share an intense relationship. Maybe Buvac is a brilliant planner, but what we actually need is someone who can think more quickly in-game to help Klopp?

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Re: Team Analysis: Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool Tactics (*)
« Reply #7802 on: April 30, 2018, 03:32:12 pm »
Interesting, hadn't heard this before:

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Re: Team Analysis: Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool Tactics (*)
« Reply #7803 on: April 30, 2018, 03:46:53 pm »
Still concerning how the info got to a bell*nd like him though.

Pep and Buvac are big losses. I hope history doesnt repeat itself because if memory serves me right, we were never quite the same after Rafa and Pako fell out.

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Re: Team Analysis: Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool Tactics (*)
« Reply #7804 on: April 30, 2018, 03:47:33 pm »
Is that...Zeljko Buvac? In the garden? What could be possibly want?

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Re: Team Analysis: Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool Tactics (*)
« Reply #7805 on: April 30, 2018, 04:00:58 pm »
Folks, the short term of Buvac's leave is NOT as big a problem as many believe (imo).  Here are the reasons:

1.  The technical knowledge shared between Kloppo & Zeljko has already been seeded, planted, cemented into the system long ago
2.  The training rituals of running sessions, sorting issues and organizing the team can be managed with 2 ECL & 2 EPL games left
3.  The affect of Buvac's leave on the players has already occurred in terms of actual interaction/yesteday's announcement
4.  The original story was leaked to Duncan Castles --- hundreds of possibilities of why

The issues are more long term for me:
A.  Possible dent in the team-building ethos -
B.  Long term training continuity
C.  The timing of this --- disappointment rears its head somewhere along the line (club, staff, supporters, personal and group).

The press conference will be watched though.
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Re: Team Analysis: Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool Tactics (*)
« Reply #7806 on: April 30, 2018, 04:02:10 pm »
We didn't do too badly after Pako, and we don't even know if it's temporary or permanent. Buvac will likely be back for next season.
Losing Pako was like whenever we have a squad player out injured; nobody mentioned him when we were playing great but as soon as we had bad form it was all because we missed him.

Only time will tell the affect that losing Buvac will have on us. It does seem very strange timing and we just have to hope that we dont lose any focus. Its hard not to speculate on it but hopefully everyone at the club has their eyes on the prize. Its a pretty fucking special prize after all.

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« Reply #7807 on: April 30, 2018, 04:03:27 pm »
What time is the press conference tomorrow?

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« Reply #7808 on: April 30, 2018, 04:06:49 pm »
Exciting times ahead.  ;D

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« Reply #7809 on: April 30, 2018, 04:30:38 pm »
“By David Lynch”

I’ll be disappointed if this article doesn’t end with Jay Spearing dancing and sending encrypted messages to Klopp by speaking backwards.

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« Reply #7810 on: April 30, 2018, 05:33:56 pm »
“By David Lynch”

I’ll be disappointed if this article doesn’t end with Jay Spearing dancing and sending encrypted messages to Klopp by speaking backwards.
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Re: Team Analysis: Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool Tactics (*)
« Reply #7811 on: April 30, 2018, 07:01:14 pm »
Team moral must be soo low because an assistant is taking time off.



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Re: Team Analysis: Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool Tactics (*)
« Reply #7812 on: April 30, 2018, 07:17:53 pm »
He's on the phone with Juve I believe.

If not - he probably got stuck attempting to turn into the training grounds.

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« Reply #7813 on: April 30, 2018, 07:18:57 pm »
Lallana is in that shot.

Good to see him back in training.

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« Reply #7814 on: April 30, 2018, 07:21:10 pm »
Lallana is in that shot.

Good to see him back in training.



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Re: Team Analysis: Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool Tactics (*)
« Reply #7815 on: April 30, 2018, 07:21:58 pm »
I don't expect much to change between now and the end of the season. Just not enough time for tactical/training issues to come up that Klopp will need help solving. I'd be more concerned if Buvac took time off in October. I just hope whatever he is dealing with comes to a good conclusion. He and Klopp have us playing some of the best attacking football I've ever seen. 
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Re: Team Analysis: Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool Tactics (*)
« Reply #7816 on: April 30, 2018, 09:05:47 pm »
Team moral must be soo low because an assistant is taking time off.


No sign of Gomez - he must have been too slow coming forward.
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Re: Team Analysis: Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool Tactics (*)
« Reply #7817 on: April 30, 2018, 10:07:58 pm »
So looking at it again (Klopp league games only):

2015/16: Goals per game with less than 65% possession - 1.95/Goals per game with 65% possession or more - 1.56
2016/17: Goals per game with less than 65% possession - 2.42/Goals per game with 65% possession or more - 1.59
2017/18: Goals per game with less than 65% possession - 2.65/Goals per game with 65% possession or more - 1.46

The more we have the ball, the less we do with it, it seems.

Just to add more to this:

In the league games under Klopp where we've had 65% possession or more, here is the Win/Draw/Loss breakdown by percentage -

Win% - 41.03%
Loss% - 20.51%
Draw% - 38.46%

Of those draws, 60% of them have been either 0-0 or 1-1, with 33% being totally scoreless.

If we could turn those draws into wins, we're right up there with City. But again, it's not a game-state thing. Overall, we're not able to turn possession dominance into good shots on target. For that, we need more creativity, or a different tactical plan (such as setting our pressing traps deeper into midfield). The all-out pressing assault plus excess possession just doesn't help us in these games.

Incidentally, the breakdown of teams in those drawn games:

Bournemth
Burnley
Everton
Man Utd
Newcastle
Southmptn
Stoke City
Sunderland
West Brom

Have a guess which team cost us 4 draws in these specific types of games? ;D
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Re: Team Analysis: Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool Tactics (*)
« Reply #7818 on: April 30, 2018, 11:41:41 pm »
Team moral must be soo low because an assistant is taking time off.



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Re: Team Analysis: Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool Tactics (*)
« Reply #7819 on: May 1, 2018, 08:58:40 am »
Team moral must be soo low because an assistant is taking time off.



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Re: Team Analysis: Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool Tactics (*)
« Reply #7820 on: May 1, 2018, 11:32:57 am »
You lads don’t think he’d wait until the end of the season before leaving for the Arsenal job?   :o

He would, I don't see any reason why he would need to leave now and not in a months time.

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« Reply #7821 on: May 1, 2018, 01:12:28 pm »
SP locked the Buvac thread for a good reason. The official line is the official line and RAWK sees no reason to deviate from that. So can we please dispense with any idle speculation on a subject NOBODY in here is sufficiently close to that warrants further comment? Ta.

Stick to the tactics - that's what this thread is for.

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Re: Team Analysis: Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool Tactics (*)
« Reply #7822 on: May 1, 2018, 01:26:01 pm »
Given that Lallana is now seemingly back in the fold, I wonder if he a) makes the bench against Roma b) plays more than a bit part for the remainder of the season

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Re: Team Analysis: Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool Tactics (*)
« Reply #7823 on: May 1, 2018, 01:28:21 pm »
To get this thread back on track - let's assume everyone we saw in training is who we have available tomorrow. That means no TAA, Gomez, Can, Chamberlain, Matip.

Would you throw Clyne in for this game despite him only playing 1,3 competitive games in the last ~12 months? I worry he would be off the pace in such a game as all the minutes we have seen him play were in low intensity games we dominated possession. A large chunk were him playing as a right midfielder possibly just to get minutes into his legs without risking him in the backline.

So if not, how do you solve our right side?

As I see it, we could do something like a 3-4-3.The diamond being Hendo, Robbo, Gini, Milner I guess.

Alternatively, we could push Robertson over to the right and play Moreno on the left. This would also help Moreno negate the fastest player in their side - Under. It means Robertson playing on his weak side and probably takes away his crossing which is his only really developed weapon as a full back. I think Moreno would function better on the right in an attacking sense but think Robertson is more adaptable to the change, defensively.

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Re: Team Analysis: Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool Tactics (*)
« Reply #7824 on: May 1, 2018, 01:30:41 pm »
Wait for the presser before injury news but you can’t mess with system.

It’s Clyne or Gomez if TAA out
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« Reply #7825 on: May 1, 2018, 01:31:21 pm »
Given that Lallana is now seemingly back in the fold, I wonder if he a) makes the bench against Roma b) plays more than a bit part for the remainder of the season
I worry about how off the pace he would be. But I would have him on the bench against Roma is the sports science people deem him fit enough to play 60+ minutes. We have to assume worst case scenario, he would come on and then somehow need to play extra time and penalties - however unlikely that scenario is. Suspect we will try to give him minutes against Chelsea and Brighton - depending on the result tomorrow - to make sure we have another midfielder with some minutes in his legs before a big final.
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« Reply #7826 on: May 1, 2018, 01:31:36 pm »
Wait for the presser before injury news but you can’t mess with system.

It’s Clyne or Gomez if TAA out

I don't think Gomez has travelled but we should be fine with Clyne.

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« Reply #7827 on: May 1, 2018, 01:32:33 pm »
Wait for the presser before injury news but you can’t mess with system.

It’s Clyne or Gomez if TAA out
Gomez missed training also. Which leaves us just Clyne. And it would be equally dangerous to play Clyne if he isn't physically and mentally sharp as it is to change the system.
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Re: Team Analysis: Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool Tactics (*)
« Reply #7828 on: May 1, 2018, 01:34:47 pm »
TAA was snapped getting on the plane.

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« Reply #7829 on: May 1, 2018, 01:35:26 pm »
TAA was snapped getting on the plane.

Who the fuck slide tackled him?!

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« Reply #7830 on: May 1, 2018, 01:35:47 pm »
TAA was snapped getting on the plane.

Definitely won't be fit for the Roma match then.
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« Reply #7831 on: May 1, 2018, 01:35:55 pm »
Someone on the wing. Sorry.

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« Reply #7832 on: May 1, 2018, 01:51:14 pm »
Gomez missed training also. Which leaves us just Clyne. And it would be equally dangerous to play Clyne if he isn't physically and mentally sharp as it is to change the system.

Probably right. Hope Trent is ok.
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« Reply #7833 on: May 1, 2018, 01:52:59 pm »
Definitely won't be fit for the Roma match then.

Why? Let's see what Klopp says at the Press Conference he's had a few days rest after Saturday.
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« Reply #7834 on: May 1, 2018, 01:53:05 pm »
Think Trent will be fine.

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« Reply #7835 on: May 1, 2018, 01:54:16 pm »
Why? Let's see what Klopp says at the Press Conference he's had a few days rest after Saturday.

Mate, he's literally been snapped getting on the plane. No chance he recovers from that.

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« Reply #7836 on: May 1, 2018, 01:55:31 pm »
TAA was snapped getting on the plane.

Fuck sake. Why always us  :no :no :no

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Re: Team Analysis: Jürgen Klopp’s Liverpool Tactics (*)
« Reply #7837 on: May 1, 2018, 01:57:06 pm »
Mate, he's literally been snapped getting on the plane. No chance he recovers from that.
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« Reply #7838 on: May 1, 2018, 01:59:28 pm »
I thought it was a typo, he meant snipped. Poor bastard. I knew FPS would ruin our champions league run.

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« Reply #7839 on: May 1, 2018, 01:59:44 pm »
Reliable local source from my neck of the woods in regards to Buvac

Željko #Buvac has apparently been spending a lot of time in Banja Luka, BiH lately. His visits are related to his father's illness, per sources. - Haris Mrkonja, N1[CNN Affiliate in the Balkans]