Topic: Westworld - HBO's next thingamajig

[JoeCole]

I think Episode 4 is my favourite episode of the whole show so far. Just brilliant. Doesn't get any better than the Man in Black.

[Something Worse]

I think Episode 4 is my favourite episode of the whole show so far. Just brilliant. Doesn't get any better than the Man in Black.

Jonathan Tucker is one of my very favorite actors in the world right now and seeing him and Harris go at it was a fucking treat. Phenomenal scene, excellent episode.

[El Lobo]

Ed Harris is fucking awesome in this.

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That girl at the end calling him dad, that was the same one who swam over from India-land away from the tiger, right?

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[Redcap]

Ed Harris is fucking awesome in this.

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That girl at the end calling him dad, that was the same one who swam over from India-land away from the tiger, right?

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Correct. I thought it must have been the case at the start of the episode.

I'm loving that this season is as much about the mystery as the first season. I thought this season was going to be much more of a straightforward bloodbath, but we're getting some really interesting new ideas thrown in there. I'm loving that we're getting to see more of younger William. I always thought that if we saw nothing more of him after he became the Man in Black, there would have been a little something missing from his character development.

By the looks of the trailer, we're back with Maeve and Dolores next episode. I must admit I'm finding Maeve about as compelling as I found her in S1, which is to say, not very.

[Funky_Gibbons]

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So was that CPU that Ford had Bernard print off to make a host version of Ford???

That was an awesome episode.

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[voodoo ray]

really enjoyed that this week.

[The G in Gerrard]

Wow. Brilliant from start to finish.

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So was that CPU that Ford had Bernard print off to make a host version of Ford???

That was an awesome episode.

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Internet speculation below:

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Hard to say who he was printing off. The internet speculates that it might be a copy of William. Some even say that William has died at some point in the timeline. That'd be cool if it happens sometime in the next couple of episodes, still in the past (i.e. while on his quest but before Bernard wakes up to find all the bodies in the water, which is the present), and then he rocked up at the end.

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[JLStretton]

Correct. I thought it must have been the case at the start of the episode.

I'm loving that this season is as much about the mystery as the first season. I thought this season was going to be much more of a straightforward bloodbath, but we're getting some really interesting new ideas thrown in there. I'm loving that we're getting to see more of younger William. I always thought that if we saw nothing more of him after he became the Man in Black, there would have been a little something missing from his character development.

By the looks of the trailer, we're back with Maeve and Dolores next episode. I must admit I'm finding Maeve about as compelling as I found her in S1, which is to say, not very.

Agree with all of this.

Loved that episode.

[Funky_Gibbons]

Internet speculation below:

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Hard to say who he was printing off. The internet speculates that it might be a copy of William. Some even say that William has died at some point in the timeline. That'd be cool if it happens sometime in the next couple of episodes, still in the past (i.e. while on his quest but before Bernard wakes up to find all the bodies in the water, which is the present), and then he rocked up at the end.

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That's the problem with a show like this, you're constantly questioning who's real and who's not!! I was wondering whether William was a host, and the mission that Ford has sent him on to become a good guy again is his way of finding out whether a programmed host can change mentality.

I don't think Ford as Anthony Hopkins will come back, but maybe Ford's memory which is put into another body or even the younger Ford we saw in season 1.

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[Red Viper]

I think Episode 4 is my favourite episode of the whole show so far. Just brilliant. Doesn't get any better than the Man in Black.

Seconded. Absolutely fantastic episode.

By the looks of the trailer, we're back with Maeve and Dolores next episode. I must admit I'm finding Maeve about as compelling as I found her in S1, which is to say, not very.

Funny cos for me it's Dolores' story that I don't find very compelling. Last week I found myself drifting in and out of the episode especially when it came to her scenes.

[Mr Mingebag Squid]

Does anyone else think this is one huge narrative?

There was a bit in season one when the Confederado's attacked Teddy for his part with Wyatt...And we saw what happened in episode three...

[losCHUNK]

Seconded. Absolutely fantastic episode.

Funny cos for me it's Dolores' story that I don't find very compelling. Last week I found myself drifting in and out of the episode especially when it came to her scenes.

Dolores has become extremely annoying to me, I didn't mind her in the 1st season.  Maeve is bland but I think that arc has a lot of potential, with the end of ep 3 n all, could be quite fun

Loving season 2 so far, obv ep4 being the highlight.  Was wondering how they're gonna follow up the 'mystery box' season now that viewers will be clued in and they've done it with another mystery box.  Can't fault the writing.

I seen the show getting some flack prior to ep 4, calling it boring and obvious.  I remember hearing the same things about the 1st season which didn't liven up until atleast ep5 iirc.  I really like the approach of the show, they're taking their time in laying the groundwork.

[butchersdog]

Don't think I've ever enjoyed anything on telly so much, think it's fantastic. Ed Harris could have been a brilliant man with no name type cowboy had westerns had more mainstream popularity in the last 20 years. Find myself watching an ep and then reading the reviews online to fill in a few blanks, which strangely only makes it better, like the tv equivalent of reading a book and then reading others interpretations of it i guess. Just hope it doesn't deviate too much into random worlds, can't say I find the prospect of Shogun World, Raj World etc as compelling, but I remain open minded.

[Brian Blessed]

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Well, that had me slightly confused...as usual.

Did we see Bernard in the lab three times?

Once for the killing spree, once with Elsie, and then a third time alone, when his memory inserted Elsie?

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[Something Worse]

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Well, that had me slightly confused...as usual.

Did we see Bernard in the lab three times?

Once for the killing spree, once with Elsie, and then a third time alone, when his memory inserted Elsie?

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Yes to all.

[JoeCole]

Don't think I've ever enjoyed anything on telly so much, think it's fantastic. Ed Harris could have been a brilliant man with no name type cowboy had westerns had more mainstream popularity in the last 20 years. Find myself watching an ep and then reading the reviews online to fill in a few blanks, which strangely only makes it better, like the tv equivalent of reading a book and then reading others interpretations of it i guess. Just hope it doesn't deviate too much into random worlds, can't say I find the prospect of Shogun World, Raj World etc as compelling, but I remain open minded.

Future spin offs, perhaps. Similar to how GOT is going to get some once it ends. It would be betraying the name of the show if they began to focus more on the other worlds than Westworld itself. I do hope we get to see some of the others and what is happening in them, but brief scenes like the ones of Grace/MiB's daughter in Raj world is enough for me

[voodoo ray]

well you're going to see quite a bit of shogun world next week by the looks of it.

[vagabond]

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Thought the scene of Jonathan Tucker dancing with Lawrence's nameless wife was wonderfully done in its symmetry and evolution from the same scene in the first season

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[Andy-oh-six]

Brilliant episode. Slow start to this season but that was as a good an episode as anything in the series so far.

[Prelude no.5]

Good episode. What I couldn't understand though is Elsie reaction to realising that Bernard is a host.

I mean, didn't she have an excellent relationship with him in the first season prior to here being choked? Or was it known to her somewhere before that he's a host?

[Beneath]

What I don't quite get is...

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...why Ed Harris has spent the entire time looking for 'a deeper level to this game', when he's been sitting across a table, having a fucking whisky with it for twenty-odd years.

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[RedSince86]

This season has exceeded all expectations.

It has about 20 plot lines in god knows how many time lines.

Absolute barmy genius.

[Brian Blessed]

This season has exceeded all expectations.

It has about 20 plot lines in god knows how many time lines.

Absolute barmy genius.

That's the thing for me. I love it, but I don't know if it's actually genius, or just thinks it is.

Probably a question for when the whole thing is finished.

[Ultimate Bromance]

Hmm

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So Maeve and William's stories both touch on family and reunions now, and Dolores and Bernard are linked by Arnold, so I'm not sure why they've paired them off the way they have. I don't mind that they're alternating episodes between each pair, but my enthusiasm for the ongoing adventures of one pair significantly outweighs the other. I've completely lost interest in Dolores's story, and am only interested in Maeve because of Shogun World and seeing the mirror version of her party. Turning her into Neo is a bit mundane.

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[vagabond]

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If Maeve knew she could control an army, why did she wait so long? She could have controlled the Shogun army as soon as it entered the village

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[WhereAngelsPlay]

I am wondering if 

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The hosts printed off a load of new bodies to put into the lake/sea,they certainly had plenty of time 11 days & where is Charlotte ?[/b]

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Looks like I was right.

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If Maeve knew she could control an army, why did she wait so long? She could have controlled the Shogun army as soon as it entered the village

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I don't think that she did know,she only did it a few hours previous for the 1st time & then she practiced on Geisha Maeve just before she was due to perform.

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All in all it was a decent episode

[newrosswaterford]

Looks like I was right.

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I don't think that she did know,she only did it a few hours previous for the 1st time & then she practiced on Geisha Maeve just before she was due to perform.

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All in all it was a decent episode

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What she did was akin to what Ford with the hosts when dining with Theresa.

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[WhereAngelsPlay]

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What she did was akin to what Ford with the hosts when dining with Theresa.

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Isn't this is a new trick that she has ,started with her getting flashes of the Ninjas about to attack & she then found that she can give them none verbal commands

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[newrosswaterford]

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Isn't this is a new trick that she has ,started with her getting flashes of the Ninjas about to attack & she then found that she can give them none verbal commands

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I don't see new..more..became aware. When, in the first season, she forces the tech guy to boost all her stats and give her control over the other hosts, it would seem she got proper control similar to that which Ford had(/has?). It begs the question as to how Ford can do that without having some form of transmitter, or if he himself was a host. More interestingly with the reveals of the last episode, could he have downloaded his mind onto the network. We know the hosts 'connect' with each other when near each other, a kinda of tag system to allow the techs to figure out where the hosts are. Could he be using it to jump between hosts? Is that how he can revels himself to William?

It looks to me like Ford has 'sublimed' Is that the next level William is looking for?

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[Funky_Gibbons]

Looks like I was right

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But they haven’t printed a load of new hosts, they’re wiping the memory clean of the ones who aren’t capable of living outside of their story lines.

Out of all the story lines in this series, I’m finding the Delores one the worst.

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[Red Viper]

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Shogun World was so much fun. Looking forward to seeing more of it next week.

Last two episodes have really raised the game I think. The writing and acting is just top notch.

One issue with Shogun World though. How the fuck do you ensure guest safety in a world where blades and arrows are used instead of guns?

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[WhereAngelsPlay]

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But they haven’t printed a load of new hosts, they’re wiping the memory clean of the ones who aren’t capable of living outside of their story lines.

Out of all the story lines in this series, I’m finding the Delores one the worst.

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He says that about 1/3rd of them were virgin,not wiped.

[Funky_Gibbons]

He says that about 1/3rd of them were virgin,not wiped.

Argh OK I must have missed that, I thought he said 1/3rd were wiped.

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Shogun World was so much fun. Looking forward to seeing more of it next week.

Last two episodes have really raised the game I think. The writing and acting is just top notch.

One issue with Shogun World though. How the fuck do you ensure guest safety in a world where blades and arrows are used instead of guns?

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I've still not figured out how their guns went from firing non lethal buck shot to suddenly being lethal when shooting at the guests. 

[JoeCole]

Thought ep5 was the weakest of the whole show. The intrigue is still there but Dolores and Maeve aren't good enough to carry entire episodes like the MiB is.

[Prelude no.5]

I feel the show is quite floundering.

There's too much that's being conjured out of thin air to accommodate the storyline especially in Maeve's story. Dolores was also my favourite character last season has ended up being a boring bully.

[El Lobo]

Its too complicated for me to absolutely love it like I have GOT, Stranger Things, Breaking Bad, The Sopranos but its still a very well made TV show.

[butchersdog]

Didn't enjoy this week at all to be honest, was slow and boring, the whole witch thing as well, hoping the show isn't jumping the shark early. Sadly looks like more of Shogun World to follow.

[Rush 82]

I feel the show is quite floundering.

There's too much that's being conjured out of thin air to accommodate the storyline especially in Maeve's story. Dolores was also my favourite character last season has ended up being a boring bully.

In addition to turning Bernard into a blithering idiot

[WhereAngelsPlay]

In addition to turning Bernard into a blithering idiot

He is faking that in the present timeline.