Author Topic: Hillsborough Documentary on now. (Read 17194 times)

MD1990 · « **Reply #80 on:** May 10, 2016, 12:29:37 am »

Very powerful documentary but immensely sad as well .All I can say is Phil Scraton you are truly a very special person.
I also have to say the courage the families showed to keep fighting was incredible. I have to be honest to say if I was in their position I might have given up.

Gifted Right Foot · « **Reply #81 on:** May 10, 2016, 12:36:36 am »

Thank you for everything Phil. You sir are a legend.

terrible suits · « **Reply #82 on:** May 10, 2016, 12:37:13 am »

Quote from: PhilScraton on May 10, 2016, 12:12:06 am

all I can say is thank-you.

I know I'm taking that quote a bit out of context. Certainly with respect to those who were in the pens, or knew those in the pens, that is completely on another level.

But, Prof. Scraton, virtually everyone is thankful to you. While I won't even attempt to speak for those, and realise I am further away from the situation than most (in distance - over in the US, knowing no one in the UK; in age - I was 6 at the time of Hillsborough; and in connection to Liverpool - I've only been following the club since 2010), I would imagine I speak for many when I say that so many are so very thankful to you, far beyond what words could possibly convey.

redalways · « **Reply #83 on:** May 10, 2016, 12:38:32 am »

Quote from: stevied on May 9, 2016, 02:26:42 pm

Made the new girlfriend watch it, shes a Hammers fan and had heard and seen the details of the inquiry, she sat there crying at the documentary, the fans, the ordinary bobbies, the families, she could not believe what she was watching, a must watch but bloody difficult one, had nightmares last night which is the first for a lot of years, i just hope they get the fuckers before they all pop off, Paul Middup is the one i want to see fucked over, his manner, his attitude got me really going last night i forgot about that ghet

Unfortunately it still continued even at the inquest. John Beggs QC was the c*nt who tried to regurgitate the drunk fans line. I emailed the c*nt and suggested he give his taxpayer funded fees (5,000) per day to charity.

deFacto please, you bastards · « **Reply #84 on:** May 10, 2016, 01:28:00 am »

Watched this when it was released two years ago I believe, cried all the way through. Started watching it again, but I can't finish it.

terrible suits · « **Reply #85 on:** May 10, 2016, 03:44:13 am »

I don't know whether this will help for anyone (I hadn't received any notes of anyone having issues with the plain .mp4 file), but just in case, I made a plain .html webpage with the video embedded. Nothing fancy, but just in case someone needed a webpage to display the video in, as opposed to launching the video directly. Let me know if there are any issues or problems.

http://www.terrisus.com/misc/Hillsborough.html

mainone · « **Reply #86 on:** May 10, 2016, 06:26:12 am »

Found it very hard to watch , I was outside and decided that I wasn't trying to get in that end , although that's where my ticket was for,I then ended up in the north stand,can't remember who I was with in the north stand or who of my mates ended up in that end. then remember seeing one mate on the pitch ,he was ok and arguing with the police to do something, remember getting on the pitch to calm him down , obviously I didn't know how bad it was remember returning to north stand and then not much else apart from mini bus journey home. I remember after the final that year in an Irish club in North London , Camden I think , being asked by a young female how many had I killed and told that we had killed our own, I just cried.

RedPat · « **Reply #87 on:** May 10, 2016, 06:38:05 am »

Quote from: red vinyl on May 10, 2016, 12:08:51 am

Could someone please make this available outside the uk,iPlayer isnt working for me in belgium. JFT 96 .

you can download it through torrentz.eu just type hillsborough in the search box mate.

Alf Garnett! · « **Reply #88 on:** May 10, 2016, 07:50:34 am »

Goosebumps & tears reading that Phil.

Lost for words if i'm honest,so much admiration for you i can't describe.

I could thank you a trillion times & i still feel it wouldn't be enough.

Thankyou Phil,from the bottom of my heart.

Davo.

paulrazor · « **Reply #89 on:** May 10, 2016, 09:24:09 am »

Quote from: PhilScraton on May 10, 2016, 12:12:06 am

well said and well done to you for the big part you played in all this

Reacher · « **Reply #90 on:** May 10, 2016, 09:26:47 am »

I had a lump in my throat for 2 hours, fought back the tears, but I could feel myself welling up

Finally the truth, but we wait for justice

for too long us fans have had to fight the lies and propaganda of the Government, Police and Media over their lies and cover up.

These families deserved closure, truth, and justice. 2 out of 3 for now, but the justice has to come down hard on all involved! JFT96 YNWA

redandy · « **Reply #91 on:** May 10, 2016, 11:49:45 am »

Had it recorded and watched it early hours this morning, tears streaming down and anger beyond belief.

To the families and Prof Scraton I am in awe and to the bloke 30-40 seats to the left of me at the 20 year anniversary who stood up when Andy Burnham was talking and shouted 'Justice' which led to the chanting, that chain reaction by one fan had a ripple effect that no-one could have envisaged. I have no idea who he is but well done to you sir

BoRed · « **Reply #92 on:** May 10, 2016, 12:01:37 pm »

Quote from: redandy on May 10, 2016, 11:49:45 am

To the families and Prof Scraton I am in awe and to the bloke 30-40 seats to the left of me at the 20 year anniversary who stood up when Andy Burnham was talking and shouted 'Justice' which led to the chanting, that chain reaction by one fan had a ripple effect that no-one could have envisaged. I have no idea who he is but well done to you sir

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/roy-dixon-hillsborough-meet-man-6998085

redandy · « **Reply #93 on:** May 10, 2016, 12:16:08 pm »

Thanks BoRed, often wondered who he was

BCCC · « **Reply #94 on:** May 10, 2016, 12:36:13 pm »

Quote from: PhilScraton on May 10, 2016, 12:12:06 am

Phil,

I have the utmost respect and admiration for you and the families' tireless work.

YNWA

CHOPPER · « **Reply #95 on:** May 10, 2016, 01:00:25 pm »

Quote from: PhilScraton on May 10, 2016, 12:12:06 am

Phil.

Dear Phil,
Can you fix it for me, to give you a big fucking kiss and a hug.

Yours,
CHOPPER, aged 46 and a 1/2

Yiannis · « **Reply #96 on:** May 10, 2016, 01:01:31 pm »

For anyone who hasn't seen it yet or want to watch again, it's available on KAT torrents.

Chig · « **Reply #97 on:** May 10, 2016, 01:48:54 pm »

Sad....... JFT 96

saoirse08 · « **Reply #98 on:** May 10, 2016, 02:16:35 pm »

Quote from: PhilScraton on May 10, 2016, 12:12:06 am

Whatever we have experienced through 27 years, however difficult and desperate, it is none of those dreadful experiences. And I believe that has shaped our collective endeavour ... to try to understand with compassion and care the lives and experiences of those fine people who have lost so much, for whom there can never be 'closure'. It is to ensure that Justice for the 96 is more than a wish. It has to be a reality. With great respect to all of you who in whatever way have carried that torch. In this journey no-one should be left walking alone.

Brilliant that. Likewise the entire post.

The enormity of what has been achieved through the HIP report and the recent inquests cannot be overstated. And, in no small part, it was achieved through the hard work and diligence of Phil Scraton.

Justice delayed is justice denied.

Red Raw · « **Reply #99 on:** May 10, 2016, 03:03:18 pm »

Quote from: PhilScraton on May 10, 2016, 12:12:06 am

. . .

Tremendous.

Steinbeck wrote:
'An unbelieved truth can hurt a man much more than a lie. It takes great courage to back truth unacceptable to our times.'

I don't think you should underestimate your own courage or that of the Panel, whose diligence has provided the evidence to enable those with less courage to accept the truth.

Thank you.

SpionBob · « **Reply #100 on:** May 10, 2016, 03:38:42 pm »

All I can say is Thank You Phil Scraton for your massive contribution towards finally getting justice for the 96 unlawfully killed fans, their families and close friends, Liverpool fans there on the day, Liverpool fans in general who may or may not even have been born in 1989 and the City of Liverpool generally. I am a long established fan of the club who has lived in the city but not for many years but I still manage to follow the club and attend a fair few matches. I have had many discussions over the years with middle class friends and acquaintances who would listen politely to what I had to say about Hillsborough but you could tell they didn't really buy what really happened. They are not bad people, they would regard themselves as law abiding. They would never 'rock the boat' and they had faith in the establishment. Now I have people coming to me and saying the version I told them is correct and corruption in the emergency services and possibly even Westminster is apparent. Its like these people have finally found their eyesight again and I guess they will never again fully believe everything the authorities tell them.
So thank you again for all that you did for all of the victims and victims families and friends because they are the most deserving. But also I would like to thank you on behalf of ALL Liverpool fans for playing such an important role in publicly giving us our credibility and pride back. Never again will I feel alone when I try to reason with those who will not listen.

oldfordie · « **Reply #101 on:** May 10, 2016, 04:34:16 pm »

Quote from: redrarely on May 10, 2016, 12:38:32 am

Unfortunately it still continued even at the inquest. John Beggs QC was the c*nt who tried to regurgitate the drunk fans line. I emailed the c*nt and suggested he give his taxpayer funded fees (5,000) per day to charity.

His questioning of Kenny our manager that day was a disgrace. I wasn't at the inquest but the transcripts leave no doubt, he went for him like a pit bull terrier trying to get him to fall into a trap of agreeing with him that the fans were hooligans. Kenny handled it brilliantly and kept his wits which must have been a nasty surprise for Beggs as he came out of it far worse off. Kenny was also a survivor and he still went for his throat.

Lad · « **Reply #102 on:** May 10, 2016, 04:43:57 pm »

Quote from: storkfoot on May 9, 2016, 08:09:08 am

I couldn't bring myself to watch it. It's probably only since 2012 that I have realised that I am still traumatised by the disaster itself and my feelings of guilt in the years since.

I had feelings of guilt for contributing to the crush outside the turnstiles which led to the gates being opened. But that day in 2012 when the panel announced its results I cried like a baby throughout the day and I believe that released twenty odd years of pent up guilt and post traumatic stuff.

Like someone else said get some counselling mate it will definitely help. Good luck.

ghandi13 · « **Reply #103 on:** May 10, 2016, 05:05:29 pm »

Its not often I post, but after watching the documentary and after reading this I thought I had too. I remember that day, sitting there in front of the TV as a teenager watching Grandstand waiting for news of the game only to watch the horror that unfolded in front of my eyes. I can't imagine what the families went through only to say that this film has given me some idea, and also filled in some of the blanks. Though I knew most of this through the years of information through the families fight and having seen many films and docs regarding the subject I hadn't realised the role prof Scratron, what a hero. The programme was harrowing but hopefully many people who knew nothing are now educated in what was the biggest miscarriage of Justice the UK has ever seen.

RIP 96

Red Beret · « **Reply #104 on:** May 10, 2016, 07:56:08 pm »

Quote from: terrisus on May 10, 2016, 03:44:13 am

I don't know whether this will help for anyone (I hadn't received any notes of anyone having issues with the plain .mp4 file), but just in case, I made a plain .html webpage with the video embedded. Nothing fancy, but just in case someone needed a webpage to display the video in, as opposed to launching the video directly. Let me know if there are any issues or problems.

http://www.terrisus.com/misc/Hillsborough.html

I am going to share that link to my Facebook page if that's all right with you mate? I want to get the word out to as many people as possible.

terrible suits · « **Reply #105 on:** May 10, 2016, 08:04:16 pm »

Quote from: Red Beret on May 10, 2016, 07:56:08 pm

I am going to share that link to my Facebook page if that's all right with you mate? I want to get the word out to as many people as possible.

Perfectly alright by me. Until my webhost notices that I've used about 23,000 times as much bandwidth in the past few days of this month as I did all of last month, and says anything about it to me (they haven't yet), I'll do my best to keep it up there. As you can see, there are no ads or anything on my website, I'm not making anything off this, this is all so that more people have the opportunity to see it. So, again, unless/until my webhost makes a fuss, anyone is free to share it from there anywhere they want however they want, with no need to check with me or credit me in any way whatsoever. I know from my logs it's been linked at least once from Twitter already, and that's great. This is about the real truth finally getting out there to everyone, and I'm just trying to do what I can.

Red Beret · « **Reply #106 on:** May 10, 2016, 08:33:54 pm »

Quote from: terrisus on May 10, 2016, 08:04:16 pm

Perfectly alright by me. Until my webhost notices that I've used about 23,000 times as much bandwidth in the past few days of this month as I did all of last month, and says anything about it to me (they haven't yet), I'll do my best to keep it up there. As you can see, there are no ads or anything on my website, I'm not making anything off this, this is all so that more people have the opportunity to see it. So, again, unless/until my webhost makes a fuss, anyone is free to share it from there anywhere they want however they want, with no need to check with me or credit me in any way whatsoever. I know from my logs it's been linked at least once from Twitter already, and that's great. This is about the real truth finally getting out there to everyone, and I'm just trying to do what I can.

Thanks mate.

storkfoot · « **Reply #107 on:** May 10, 2016, 08:59:36 pm »

Quote from: Lad on May 10, 2016, 04:43:57 pm

I had feelings of guilt for contributing to the crush outside the turnstiles which led to the gates being opened. But that day in 2012 when the panel announced its results I cried like a baby throughout the day and I believe that released twenty odd years of pent up guilt and post traumatic stuff.

Like someone else said get some counselling mate it will definitely help. Good luck.

Thanks for your thoughts mate. I am okay. I know the value of sharing my feelings with others. I can't really talk to my wife and family. They don't really understand even though they see the tears. But, I have a bunch of mates who also have similar feelings. We talk about it often and it helps.

Your post is me too. I would add that I feel immense guilt that for much of the years from the original inquest to 2012, I have often said that we should just drop the quest for justice. I thought it was too painful for all despite deep down knowing that it was all so, so wrong. Too find out the Police were instrumental in the horrendous stories of our alleged behaviour that appeared in the press, was really hard to deal with as, very sadly on my part, part of my subconscious was telling me that just maybe there was some truth there.

I tip my cap to all of you who were there and never ever doubted that we were right.

Johnathan · « **Reply #108 on:** May 11, 2016, 01:01:46 am »

Can anyone point me towards a link to watch this documentary? I'm guessing the chances of it being aired stateside anytime soon are slim and I would like to watch.

Harinder · « **Reply #109 on:** May 11, 2016, 01:14:23 am »

Quote from: Johnathan on May 11, 2016, 01:01:46 am

Can anyone point me towards a link to watch this documentary? I'm guessing the chances of it being aired stateside anytime soon are slim and I would like to watch.

Link in Hillsborough thread. Terrisus kindly hosting too on his site

binge · « **Reply #110 on:** May 11, 2016, 01:14:52 am »

Terrisus has posted a link in this thread mate

Statto Red · « **Reply #111 on:** May 11, 2016, 01:17:49 am »

The documentary is up on the BBC IPlayer those who want to watch it, although i think only available for those in the UK.

terrible suits · « **Reply #112 on:** May 11, 2016, 01:26:32 am »

Quote from: Statto Red on May 11, 2016, 01:17:49 am

The documentary is up on the BBC IPlayer those who want to watch it, although i think only available for those in the UK.

Yeah, no use for us over here in the US.

I mean, I understand why to an extent. But it's like, seriously, I have all of the BBC channels my cable package over here will give me (a whole 1 channel - BBC America - out of the 340 on my cable package

), I would pay for the others over here if they would let me... but it's not even an option.

Someone import me over to the UK

stockdam · « **Reply #113 on:** May 11, 2016, 01:43:09 am »

Quote from: PhilScraton on May 10, 2016, 12:12:06 am

There are some people in this world who truly make a positive difference and you sir are one of them. Only you know how much hard work that you put in and the long lonely hours when I'm sure at times you thought it was going to be fruitless. You could have given up but you found the strength to carry on. You deserve all the thanks from us all and you are a shining beacon in a story of at times pathetic lies.

What an absolute star you are.

ScottScott · « **Reply #114 on:** May 11, 2016, 09:16:32 am »

Hard watch. But everyone should watch it

The fans were heroes, knew what was happening and fought to get as many out as possible. The police were useless but you felt for those interviewed because they were being told different things and acted on orders from the horrible c*nts in the control tower

Phil Scraton is a hero. The families are heroes. True heroes. Without them and their fight for justice this would have been covered up and everyone would have gotten away with it. The uncovered the truth and have shown the police and the government for the evil scum they are

Red-Soldier · « **Reply #115 on:** May 11, 2016, 10:11:31 am »

I watched it on Sunday.

As many people have said, it's a hard watch but everyone really should see it!

It just shows that if you keep fighting and keep digging then the truth will come out, it's very hard when the scumbag higher police officiers and government are against you but it isn't an impossible fight!

Thank you Phil Scraton for taking up the case and getting it to where we are today. All seemed lost but he got us there!

My heart goes out to all the people who were affected by the tragedy, not only pain and suffering during the immediate aftermath, but for a further 27 years!! They are heroes.

I hope now we see proper accountability for the people responsible

Andy @ Allerton! · « **Reply #116 on:** May 11, 2016, 02:21:45 pm »

Not sure where to put this so...

Andy @ Allerton! · « **Reply #117 on:** May 11, 2016, 02:22:30 pm »

Quote from: newterp on May 11, 2016, 12:42:13 pm

Interesting to me growing up around the height of Thatchers regime - the world generally loved her. As I grew older and took courses - the gloss came off. But then to read the kinds of things she openly, willingly and purposefully did to certain segments of the people of the country she had been elected to rule is shocking. Beyond shocking really.

I wish someone with some pull would write a real biography of the witch.

No one in my world loved her.

Red-Soldier · « **Reply #118 on:** May 11, 2016, 02:43:40 pm »

Quote from: Andy @ Allerton on May 11, 2016, 02:22:30 pm

No one in my world loved her.

She was loved by a fair few in the south, but also hated to.

She had a strict, oppressive, religious upbringing which shapped her into the person/PM that she became.

redgriffin73 · « **Reply #119 on:** May 11, 2016, 03:29:08 pm »

Quote from: Andy @ Allerton on May 11, 2016, 02:21:45 pm

Not sure where to put this so...

Nice touch, will add this to the ticket thread too.