Topic: Liverpool 1 - 1 Norwich

[ShayGuevara]

Well he's second choice for Valencia behind Diego Alves, you don't think he'd be knocking on the door after Mignolets fuck up yesterday?

And as for Begovic, he's miles better than Mignolet, and does Mignolet suit "our style"?, what exactly is "our style"?

Begovic is poor technically, more so than Mignolet. Neither are suitable for a side who wants to control possesion.

Surprised by that, I didn't think Ryan would of moved without the promise of first team football. I do agree he's be close to replacing Mignolet already.

A new keeper is necessary though. No matter who the manager.

[ShayGuevara]

How bloody good was Moreno though? Great response from being dropped.

Sakho also. Maybe their was method in the madness of dropping both, I still have hope with Markovic also.

[Number 7]

Thought I'd feel a bit better having slept on it. But nope!

I mean United away felt sickening for many reasons, because it's United. But still, many teams go there and don't get anything. But Norwich at home......Norwich at home. A newly promoted side at home? I think it'll take me until at least Thursday to get over it.

After our bogey team, I look at our fixtures and it's just dreadful. Everton away, Spurs away, Southampton home, Chelsea away, Palace home, City away. Going to have to play out of our skins to even get 3 wins there. Need a massive turnaround in fortunes immediately otherwise we could be in for a very grim season.

[Fordy]

Seriously though how awful is our so called number 1?

My pub keeper is better even after 10 pints and a packet cheese crisps.

[Flaccido Dongingo]

He's shite, our style is shite, it's a perfect match

just a joke before anyone goes mad!

All this bollocks about Goalkeepers "suiting our style" though mate, all I want is a goalkeeper that commands his area, claims crosses with conviction, and is a first class shot stopper, someone like Ray Clemence, who was an absolute master of the fundamentals of goalkeeper, i.e. stopping the other fella from putting the ball past you in to the net.

I understand Clemence didn't have to use his feet much as there was no backpass rule, however, Begovic (not suggesting for one minute that he is in the same bracket as Clemence) does the fundamentals well, Mignolet is always good for one fuck up, as he has no command of his area, but his deficiencies have been masked the last few seasons due to his excellent shot stopping abilities, but when you're only scoring one goal per game, individual errors really come to the fore.

He's needed replaced after season 1 imho.

[spider-neil]

I'm honestly curious about what our style is right now. Because a few seasons back we did seem to have a style, but now, other than playing no real wingers, I don't know what it is.

Allowing a lot of crosses and giving space in front of the box?

We currently have a keeper that;
* Is pretty poor with the ball at his feet
* Doesn't dominate his penalty area
* Punches absolutely everything regardless if the ball is catching height
* Poor distribution
* Kills counter attacks dead because he refuses to release the ball quickly
* BUT is a great shot stopper

Sorry, the bad far out weighs the good and it's long past time we moved him on.
There are bound to be some keepers in La Liga that are half decent at shot stopping but don't treat the ball like a hot potato.

[kkjellquist]

* Kills counter attacks dead because he refuses to release the ball quickly

Drives me NUTS!!

gets ball, runs out from goal, shouts and points to get something started, looks around, does nothing and puts on that same frustrated face.

pull the trigger for once!!  just once!! 

[ShayGuevara]

I'm honestly curious about what our style is right now. Because a few seasons back we did seem to have a style, but now, other than playing no real wingers, I don't know what it is.

Allowing a lot of crosses and giving space in front of the box?

There's quite a few videos that highlight how we press and how we work in attack doing the rounds, I've posted a few myself.

Some of our pressing and passing yesterday was actually very good. Its only Norwich of course but it was a hell of a lot more encouraging than that shite we seen against West Ham. The result was the important thing and yet again we failed to get it even after being 1-0 up and with a large amount of control. If we can't learn to finish off sides like Bordeaux or Norwich then there's a problem as beating those sides is what Brendan used to do so effectively. It was certainly never his big game tactics.

Onwards we go anyway, hopefully we control the game just as well against Villa at the weekend but this time put away our chances and stop conceding every time our opponents get a sniff of goal in the box. I don't see Rodgers being in charge next Monday if we don't beat Villa, think that really would be the final straw.

[ShayGuevara]

Seriously though how awful is our so called number 1?

My pub keeper is better even after 10 pints and a packet cheese crisps.

Great shot stopper but clear weaknesses that are easily exposed. Thats not good enough for a club with our ambitions.

[Chakan]

Drives me NUTS!!

gets ball, runs out from goal, shouts and points to get something started, looks around, does nothing and puts on that same frustrated face.

pull the trigger for once!!  just once!! 

Drives me up the wall that. Makes like he's going to throw it, thinks better of it, makes the calm down motion with his hands, looks around, bounces the ball, kicks it to Benteke or whoever is on the side line.

[Simplexity]

I just want a decent goalkeeper, one that doesn't lose all confidence in himself at the drop of a hat.

He doesn't have to be Neuer he just has to be somewhat dependable and it is good enough for me.

[Adam_LFC]

We currently have a keeper that;
* Is pretty poor with the ball at his feet
* Doesn't dominate his penalty area
* Punches absolutely everything regardless if the ball is catching height
* Poor distribution
* Kills counter attacks dead because he refuses to release the ball quickly
* BUT is a great shot stopper

Sorry, the bad far out weighs the good and it's long past time we moved him on.
There are bound to be some keepers in La Liga that are half decent at shot stopping but don't treat the ball like a hot potato.

We basically got a Keeper that has the one attribute Reina was failing at in his last few seasons. All the while removing the other attributes mentioned above.

[thelinnen]

I just want a decent goalkeeper, one that doesn't lose all confidence in himself at the drop of a hat.

He doesn't have to be Neuer he just has to be somewhat dependable and it is good enough for me.

If John Ruddy was in goal for us, that goal doesn't happen. That's quite depressing.

[Phil M]

What do 3/4 of the posts in this thread have to do with Liverpool 1-1 Norwich?
 

Why answer a question with a question?

[muyuu]

Sakho also. Maybe their was method in the madness of dropping both, I still have hope with Markovic also.

Sakho, Moreno and Markovic are some of the best we have plus are young and improving. One is on loan and the other two barely play. Who would you blame for this?

[Suareznumber7]

Why answer a question with a question?

Great question

[spider-neil]

Drives me up the wall that. Makes like he's going to throw it, thinks better of it, makes the calm down motion with his hands, looks around, bounces the ball, kicks it to Benteke or whoever is on the side line.

All the while the opposition are funnelling back in their droves.

[kcbworth]

Begovic is poor technically, more so than Mignolet. Neither are suitable for a side who wants to control possesion.

Surprised by that, I didn't think Ryan would of moved without the promise of first team football. I do agree he's be close to replacing Mignolet already.

A new keeper is necessary though. No matter who the manager.

Went to Valencia with promise of at least half a season first team, as first choice is out injured

[spider-neil]

I just want a decent goalkeeper, one that doesn't lose all confidence in himself at the drop of a hat.

He doesn't have to be Neuer he just has to be somewhat dependable and it is good enough for me.

I want a keeper than enhances and compliments how we want to play.
If Mignolet was decent with the ball at his feet we could push up the pitch, give him the ball under pressure and make runs up the pitch in the knowledge the keeper might pick you out.
All defenders have to drop into the box because simply doesn't dominate his area.
Seriously, it's gotten to stage where his shot stopping (which to be fair, is better than average) is his one redeeming quality.

[spider-neil]

If John Ruddy was in goal for us, that goal doesn't happen. That's quite depressing.

Really, was the ball moving that quickly that it couldn't have been caught?

[Gnurglan]

Seriously though how awful is our so called number 1?

My pub keeper is better even after 10 pints and a packet cheese crisps.

Sign him up. If we could get him off the beer, we'd have a superstar.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Why answer a question with a question?

Why do you think that's important?

[ShayGuevara]

Sakho, Moreno and Markovic are some of the best we have plus are young and improving. One is on loan and the other two barely play. Who would you blame for this?

Markovic and Moreno were absolutely shite last season. I reckon Rodgers is Loaning one out and dropped the other to show them they have to work harder to get into the team. It's highly likely he did the same with Sakho to prove he has the right mentality (after the derby walk out) to be offered a high earner 5 year contracts.

Could be wrong but Barrett did say it about Sakho at the time.

[krizzobizzle]

We currently have a keeper that;
* Is pretty poor with the ball at his feet
* Doesn't dominate his penalty area
* Punches absolutely everything regardless if the ball is catching height
* Poor distribution
* Kills counter attacks dead because he refuses to release the ball quickly
* BUT is a great shot stopper

Sorry, the bad far out weighs the good and it's long past time we moved him on.
There are bound to be some keepers in La Liga that are half decent at shot stopping but don't treat the ball like a hot potato.

Theres nothing more infuriating than watching Mignolet urgently run to the edge of the box and hold the ball for 30 seconds. He truly is a terrible goal keeper.

Its also shocking how poor of a footballer he actually is. I don't expect goalkeepers to have the control of Messi but some proficiency with your feet and technical ability should be the minimum. To watch how poor he is with the ball at his feet makes me pine for Reina again. You could argue we shipped out someone who is better in all areas than Mignolet. Now thats depressing.

[L666KOP]

For all those bemoaning Mignolet, just how much have we spent since we bought him......??

It's not a priority is it.
Just like a DM.
Just like decent CB's.

[muyuu]

Markovic and Moreno were absolutely shite last season. I reckon Rodgers is Loaning one out and dropped the other to show them they have to work harder to get into the team. It's highly likely he did the same with Sakho to prove he has the right mentality (after the derby walk out) to be offered a high earner 5 year contracts.

Could be wrong but Barrett did say it about Sakho at the time.

Terribly misused, like many other players. These players have qualities that can be put to use by the right manager. I've completely lost my faith in Rodgers over the last couple of seasons because he simply gives up on players he fails to integrate. There have been just too many talented players failing to produce results for us to pin it down to them.

[Scoff]

Had to just chime in because this is a very good point. If we have now ditched the back 4 there is no real way (that i can see anyway) for us to fit both Firmino and Coutinho into the side and maintain a balanced side. I really hope we had a very clear idea of how we were going to use Firmino <insert name here> when we signed him!

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because that's what we done every summer for the last 3

[krizzobizzle]

For all those bemoaning Mignolet, just how much have we spent since we bought him......??

It's not a priority is it.
Just like a DM.
Just like decent CB's.

I understand that but you use it as a starting point. The first thing Rafa did when he had a sum of money came he was sign a bloody good goalkeeper, then he went through the rest of the team.

You have to start there and then you get a domino effect of confidence that runs to the back 4 and then the midfield.

God knows we fucked up in other areas too I have written about that also, but I find it very surprising given the style of football we wanted to play at the time, that we signed a goalie who is the complete opposite to how we wanted to play.

And we are still suffering because of it. He doesn't give any confidence to the back 4 and that then ripples throughout the team.

[10 years on]

Mignolet has been one our best players for the last 8 month made a mistake yesterday but made up for it with a world class Dave.

[skipper757]

Mignolet has been one our best players for the last 8 month made a mistake yesterday but made up for it with a world class Dave.

Wouldn't label Cameron "world class" but maybe we can ask the pigs.

[Kopenhagen]

Mignolet has been one our best players for the last 8 month made a mistake yesterday but made up for it with a world class Dave.

He's been pretty lucky in that period too. He looks to take charge more often but he's far from convincing, and he hasn't (really) been punished. In the Stoke 6-1 he did absolutely nothing about any of the goals and should take some stick for that shambles. He should have been replaced in the summer, as many on here quite rightly said. But we shopped in the bargain bin and got Adam "Better Than Brad Jones (At Least)" Bogdan.

[ShayGuevara]

Terribly misused, like many other players. These players have qualities that can be put to use by the right manager. I've completely lost my faith in Rodgers over the last couple of seasons because he simply gives up on players he fails to integrate. There have been just too many talented players failing to produce results for us to pin it down to them.

You could be right with that mate, I'm just highlighting the reason why I think they were all frozen out.

[robertobaggio37]

If you want to blame Mignolet then you could also blame Rodgers. He is the one who brought him here despite his known weakness in distribution which was imo pivotal for our play back then. It didn't even make any sense to bring him here and expect him to do something he has never done before. Yesterdays mistake aside I think he's a solid goalkeeper but we needed someone else, obviously. It's all very chatoic at the moment and for me the buck stops with the manager. How many excuses are we going to use? Transformation my arse, 4th year rolling and we're as bad as it gets.

[Mumm-Ra]

I'd be interested to see a poll of how RAWKites are feeling, I know it's not in keeping with the mods' usual stance but it would be interesting:

Would you like to see Rodgers removed today, without knowing who would come in to replace him?

It's easy to say you would move him on if you could get Rafa, Klopp, or Ancelotti, but without knowing what would happen,  is it that hopeless for you at the moment that you would pull the trigger regardless?

[killer-heels]

I'd be interested to see a poll of how RAWKites are feeling, I know it's not in keeping with the mods' usual stance but it would be interesting:

Would you like to see Rodgers removed today, without knowing who would come in to replace him?

It's easy to say you would move him on if you could get Rafa, Klopp, or Ancelotti, but without knowing what would happen,  is it that hopeless for you at the moment that you would pull the trigger regardless?

Fuck no. What if its Gary Monk?

[Chakan]

I'd be interested to see a poll of how RAWKites are feeling, I know it's not in keeping with the mods' usual stance but it would be interesting:

Would you like to see Rodgers removed today, without knowing who would come in to replace him?

It's easy to say you would move him on if you could get Rafa, Klopp, or Ancelotti, but without knowing what would happen,  is it that hopeless for you at the moment that you would pull the trigger regardless?

Absolutely not. We should only consider it if we're getting a better replacement.

[muyuu]

I'd take having a club man as caretaker since Xmas until the end of the season, and take our time to find an experienced manager. Forget about this idea of taking a championship young manager and hoping he's the next big thing. Liverpool still are too big in terms of budget to be playing penny stocks.

[Redman0151]

I'd be interested to see a poll of how RAWKites are feeling, I know it's not in keeping with the mods' usual stance but it would be interesting:

Would you like to see Rodgers removed today, without knowing who would come in to replace him?

It's easy to say you would move him on if you could get Rafa, Klopp, or Ancelotti, but without knowing what would happen,  is it that hopeless for you at the moment that you would pull the trigger regardless?

Yes, i'd roll the dice and cross my fingers that the club are competent enough to find the right man

[thelinnen]

Really, was the ball moving that quickly that it couldn't have been caught?

It was spineless for me. In the modern game where the attacker gets penalised for sneezing near the keeper, he should be throwing himself at every ball in the box.

[ScouserAtHeart]

Wouldn't trust FSG one bit in finding his replacement, especially with people advising them against certain Bundesliga winners who are currently out of a job and have publicly expressed interest in managing in England.

If it were up to them, they'd hire Garry Monk.