Topic: Liverpool 1 - 1 Norwich

[LFC when it suits]

PSG have won loads of Champions Leagues, haven't they. Oh, wait...

It's fair to say that they have been a disappointment in that sense and are underachieving. Despite consistently reaching the quarter finals.

Also, the gulf in riches between the top clubs in the CL is much smaller than the gulf between ourselves and the next richest teams in the Europa League.

[LFC when it suits]

Lock this shit too, it's a fucking joke!

Balotelli looks a much different player for Milan already in about 45 mins of game time so far.

[spider-neil]

Actually, for the only time this season, I was encouraged by that performance.

Now for fuck's sake Brendan, keep an unchanged team for the next few games.

If you even think of dropping Sakho/Moreno/Lucas....

I disagree the team should remain unchanged. I think we need to go 4 at the back, an attacking midfielder has to come in, Coutinho to drop into midfield  and a CM to drop to the bench.

[Michel]

Balotelli looks a much different player for Milan already in about 45 mins of game time so far.

He was good for 45 mins for us too against Tottenham.I will never forget that game.

[Youb]

Balotelli looks a much different player for Milan already in about 45 mins of game time so far.

Scored then did he?

[Dubit10]

He was good for 45 mins for us too against Tottenham.I will never forget that game.

That's also the last time the team played a good 90 minutes.

[Anywhichwayicant]

Scored then did he?

No, but the team won 3-0, which is the main thing.

[LFC when it suits]

He was good for 45 mins for us too against Tottenham.I will never forget that game.

Yeah he was. Then Sturridge got injured and Balotelli was made to be the lone striker which he is not suited too. He ended up looking as isolated as Benteke has looked in his time here.

At Milan he will flourish if he continues to play on the left of an attacking three.

[Robbies Girl]

Thought second half was better than first, passing really slow in first. Midfield poor on both sides, Can getting loads of space but seemed reluctant to go forward. Tempo improved second half, but Can being marked better. Building from the back constantly was frustrating against a side like Norwich. Like Ing's commitment, wish we'd tackle more. We do look very mid table though, so many basic skills lacking.

[redk84]

Disappointing result....they need to start getting better...cannot afford to miss opportunities like yesterday constantly.

The performance was better.....so that was encouraging

So are we now going back to 3 at the back? Whole of preseason and summer acquisitions were for the system we started the season with I'm guessing, but that has changed. Will it change again if we get this working and hit a bad run of results again? Maybe questions for another day..

Can't put my finger on what BR wants in terms of a set up....but hope we can build on the performance at least.

8 points from 6 games is just not good enough.

Onwards

[PhilV]

Fsg is where people s ire should be directed now. Brendan is being kept in a job by them way past his sell by date. They have no ambition for this club.

I don't think that is 100% fair on FSG, saying they have no ambition, you seen the amount of money they have put into LFC and work on expansion, how can you say they have no ambition for our club?

I do agree though that they keep Rodgers in a job but they are advised of these things, they are not exactly football people, they will have advisors and whatnot but rest assured if results keep going this way they will make a move. I do like that at least they don't make rash moves based on 1 or two results, things CAN turn around, not saying they will but it's worth giving people a chance at times.

[LFC when it suits]

Scored then did he?

No, but he nearly scored two world class goals (denied by the post and a word class save) and has put in tons of dangerous crosses in his debut. When he came on the other night, he did a good job of slowing down the game and keeping possession when Milan were leading. When he is up to full match fitness, I think he will do really well for Milan.

[SwordInYourGut]

It must be absolutely hilarious to be a fan of some other team and read all of Rpdgers' quotes to date. *drifts off into a parallel universe where Moyes makes these quotes, keeps his job at United and talks about how exciting it is to rebuild the squad*

[Fordy]

Is he still here?

I woke up, checked my man hood, had breakfast, gone to work and come on Rawk - and he is still here.

I look forward to another week of believing that we can't beat another shit side in Aston Villa and for our manager to get out foxed by his twin Tim Sherwood.

FSG need to show they're serious and get rid of him ASAP.

[lorenzo23]

I still remember that Reina thread where so many experts on how great relegation team keeper would be, massive upgrade don't make mistakes......

[Gifted Right Foot]

We could and should have won that game by a few goals.  Individual errors at both ends cost us the win.  Bit like my efforts with the ladies.  I don't even know what I mean with that statement  .

[Michel]

We could and should have won that game by a few goals.  Individual errors at both ends cost us the win.  Bit like my efforts with the ladies.  I don't even know what I mean with that statement  .

[Dave D]

Is he still here?

I woke up, checked my man hood, had breakfast, gone to work and come on Rawk - and he is still here.

I look forward to another week of believing that we can't beat another shit side in Aston Villa and for our manager to get out foxed by his twin Tim Sherwood.

FSG need to show they're serious and get rid of him ASAP.

Steady on, it's Carlisle up next. They'll be a formidable challenge, there's no question about that.

[RedKenWah]

if we are looking at this game in isolation from the other games this season, you can say the team selection was very encouraging. Bringing in Sakho, Moreno made a heck of a difference and the fact the team played with a tempo and attempted to win a game was encouraging to see. Ings was very very good and bright and again is pushing for a start in a position he is effective in.

However we can't always look at games in isolation, you have to look at the bigger picture and unfortunately that is that the team has played a side that we have to be beating at home, and we ultimately failed to do that. When looking at it from that perspective, it's a worry. I think the gamble on Sturridge was... well it was about right to do in a way, give him 60 mins, probably longer than what i would imagine would have been ideal for a first game, but massive in a way in that he's back and fingers crossed he appeared to come off that unscathed so that's good.

[CLOCKSPEED]

Is he still here?

I woke up, checked my man hood, had breakfast, gone to work and come on Rawk - and he is still here.

I look forward to another week of believing that we can't beat another shit side in Aston Villa and for our manager to get out foxed by his twin Tim Sherwood.

FSG need to show they're serious and get rid of him ASAP.

I have a positive . I no longer tune into Talksport every Monday morning . Brilliant thanks for that Brendan. (not joking it has improved my mood no end)

[ShayGuevara]

And why is the atmosphere bad?
Why does it need rebuilding, what went wrong?

We all know why it is bad, you don't need me to tell you that. He needs to win these next few homes, missed a big oppurtunity to turn things around yesterday. Only plus side was the performance.

[Yiannis]

LFC has ruined my mood the past weeks. I know I'm at fault here for letting football dictate my mood but I can't help it. The worst thing is I wasn't pissed off neither at the final result nor at Norwich's goal or at the missed chances. I expected them.

[carling]

I don't think that team is a million miles away from being pretty damn good.  Not top 4 standard, but a good team nonetheless.  What kills us is the lack of creativity, guile ... just any kind of spark in central midfield. 

Sturridge, Benteke up top, Clyne and Moreno providing the width ... I can see it working well.  Just not without someone who can pick some good passes in the middle.  Like I think others have mentioned, it might mean moving Coutinho back..

[carling]

Club legend and proven winner Kenny Dalglish wasn't given more time despite his sizeable investment in new players and the trophy he won. It shows FSG don't give a shit about success just their own personal agenda (profit).

I personally think they've been happy with Rodgers spending the Suarez and Sterling windfalls ...  but not quite so happy to make much more money available for him.  I would guess this squad of players is the last roll of the dice for Rodgers, if he doesn't do much with them there isn't going to be another war chest made available to him..

[Fordy]

I don't think that team is a million miles away from being pretty damn good.  Not top 4 standard, but a good team nonetheless.  What kills us is the lack of creativity, guile ... just any kind of spark in central midfield. 

Sturridge, Benteke up top, Clyne and Moreno providing the width ... I can see it working well.  Just not without someone who can pick some good passes in the middle.  Like I think others have mentioned, it might mean moving Coutinho back..

With a better manager we could do great things.

Currently we're a million miles away.

[Gerrard#1]

How does A lead to B?

If FSG cared simply about profit, it would have been far easier (and cheaper) to keep Dalglish, let him not succeed (if that's what they thought would happen) without inflaming the fanbase by sacking a legend.

It's a nonsense argument. The sacking of Dalglish is one of the clearest indications that FSG do crave success. Whether Rodgers is the man to bring it or not is, perhaps, another matter. But if they weren't interested in trying for success, they'd have kept Dalglish and your goodwill.

  Kenny wins a trophy (success) makes another cup final and gets sacked. It shows all they care about is the PL/CL TV money. I don't know about you but I'd personally much rather win the FA Cup than scrape fourth. All they want is for us to turn into another Arsenal.

[Gerrard#1]

Club legend and proven winner 3 decades ago, who bought Andy Carroll, Stewart Downing and Charlie Adam. You're right, FSG should have just given him more time. 

If one bad season is enough to dismiss all past achievements than Rodgers doesn't stand a chance.

I think you're forgetting Blackburn btw. 

[conman]

Club legend and proven winner Kenny Dalglish wasn't given more time despite his sizeable investment in new players and the trophy he won. It shows FSG don't give a shit about success just their own personal agenda (profit).

Maybe they are talking to other managers, but those managers are not ready to come to us.
There's little point in booting Rodgers only to start pissin in the wind.

[redmark]

  Kenny wins a trophy (success) makes another cup final and gets sacked. It shows all they care about is the PL/CL TV money. I don't know about you but I'd personally much rather win the FA Cup than scrape fourth. All they want is for us to turn into another Arsenal.

So it shows that they believed Rodgers could achieve more with the team in the league than Dalglish could, else Dalglish could have brought them CL TV money. And if they believed that, that he's at least as likely to get success in the cups, too. They sacked Dalglish to attempt to be more successful, not less.

[Adam_LFC]

The owners set the tone. If they were going to sack him they should have done it in the Summer before trusting him will millions upon millions.

Now I don't think he will be sacked unless we are stuck in relegation places. Although it may seem like any alternative would improve us in the short term. There really isn't that many managers available that can improve us in the long term. There are even question marks over Klopp. Dortmund last season were horrendous.  There is no 'perfect' manager readily available to us.

[SamAteTheRedAcid]

Think we'd won every game of the season until then you fucking horrible little jinx.

I am completely responsible, we haven't won the league since I started following football.

[redrockydennis]

I am completely responsible, we haven't won the league since I started following football.

fucking jonah.

[naka]

I wouldn't be surprised if fsg are talking to other people about whether to sack Brendan or not.
 

for me though Brendan has lost the support of a fair amount of fans which makes his position become increasingly untenable, I don't think anyone was really surprised at yesterday`s result .
at the moment tickets are becoming easier to obtain for home matches 

[rednick75]

We were actually unlucky not to have won yesterday.  Had enough chances to wrap it up.  For me though, what I didnt like is the constant changing of our formation and proves that Rodgers no longer has a plan or even doesn't really know what he's doing.  I mean 3 at the back against Norwich at home?  I just want things to go back where we have a set system, build on that week on week and only get better at we do.  Not this, stumble upon a hit and miss tactic and formation bullshit.  With the right manager these players can easily become a constant CL team.

[Gerrard#1]

So it shows that they believed Rodgers could achieve more with the team in the league than Dalglish could, else Dalglish could have brought them CL TV money. And if they believed that, that he's at least as likely to get success in the cups, too. They sacked Dalglish to attempt to be more successful, not less.

We obviously dropped points in the league to maintain those cup runs.

Isn't winning trophies the whole point of football? Do you want us to end up like a poor mans Arsenal? 10 years and nothing to show for it.

[Mr Mingebag Squid]

I've tried giving him the benefit of doubt, I've tried seeing the positives, I really really wanted him to succeed - but my faith in Brendan evaporated this weekend

Think it's time we seriously started thinking about replacing him. I can't see him managing to overturn this run now.

[redmark]

We obviously dropped points in the league to maintain those cup runs.

Isn't winning trophies the whole point of football? Do you want us to end up like a poor mans Arsenal? 10 years and nothing to show for it.

Eh? How did anything I said imply that?

There's no reason why domestic cup runs should impact league results. European, yes, though it's still overstated (a good squad should be enough to win most games in the PL, regardless of who you played midweek).

Your goalpost-shifting seems to be dragging me into defending something I haven't actually said. My point was only that the sacking of Dalglish (wrong as it may have been) wasn't, I think, because FSG weren't interested in success, but the opposite - thinking Dalglish wasn't going to bring success. Whether they then made the right choice in Rodgers is also then a different matter. But really, rehashing the argument over the Dalglish sacking three and a half years later is completely pointless.

[Gerrard#1]

We were actually unlucky not to have won yesterday.  Had enough chances to wrap it up.  For me though, what I didnt like is the constant changing of our formation and proves that Rodgers no longer has a plan or even doesn't really know what he's doing.  I mean 3 at the back against Norwich at home?  I just want things to go back where we have a set system, build on that week on week and only get better at we do.  Not this, stumble upon a hit and miss tactic and formation bullshit.  With the right manager these players can easily become a constant CL team.

I could understand this 'we were unlucky' excuse against a decent side but lets wake up here.

It's fucking Norwich! 

I recall Gerrard hitting the post in this game. I didn't matter though because we throughouly destroyed the relegation fodder at home.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/rJkqxq6YSJU

[Ciara (with a capital "C")]

I think there's a danger of going overboard now - especially where Milner is concerned.

After Stoke/Arsenal he was the signing of the summer. And now he shouldn't be in midfield and shouldn't be captain.

I think people need to settle down, but with the ship on the pitch not steady, I fear this is going to get worse before it gets better.

I said after Arsenal that it was a poor result, and it was - because we should have won. Now we are in a position already where we are falling behind and cursing dropped points.

Very hard few weeks coming up for all involved.

[anything else]

Certainly seems this game has changed much opinion over the manager, at least on here. Have to say that from being consistently supportive, patient and optimistic, I am now really fucking indifferent. Perhaps change is what is needed, but I am sure we can all agree that only the right change is worth such upheaval.