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Re: Welcome Christian Benteke
« Reply #600 on: July 27, 2015, 01:27:07 pm »
I'm excited. I have no idea how he'll turn out but he's a player who on his day is unplayable.
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Re: Welcome Christian Benteke
« Reply #601 on: July 27, 2015, 04:26:32 pm »
Majority from crosses is a bit worrying. Some nice finishes.

Fishing?

17 out of 49 goals from crosses is not the majority (unless you count a cut-back, or a square pass along the ground from inside the box as a cross?).

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Re: Welcome Christian Benteke
« Reply #602 on: July 27, 2015, 04:51:43 pm »
Fishing?

17 out of 49 goals from crosses is not the majority (unless you count a cut-back, or a square pass along the ground from inside the box as a cross?).

Do you know what it would be if you removed set pieces?

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Re: Welcome Christian Benteke
« Reply #603 on: July 27, 2015, 06:35:40 pm »
Do you know what it would be if you removed set pieces?

Breaking news just in - striker scores a few penalties and a free kick.

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Re: Welcome Christian Benteke
« Reply #604 on: July 27, 2015, 07:03:31 pm »
Its good that he can score from crosses/set pieces whatever, it adds another goal threat.

I've been looking on various websites and we average just over 5.2 corners per game, 198 in total last season and scored 3 goals. We also got 2 from crossed in free kicks. His mere presence in the box is going to make the defenders nervous and even if he can't get on the end of something, it'll create space for others to exploit. If we can add between 6 to 10 goals from set pieces and another 10 or more from open play, thats a great help.
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Re: Welcome Christian Benteke
« Reply #605 on: July 27, 2015, 07:06:13 pm »
Fishing?

17 out of 49 goals from crosses is not the majority (unless you count a cut-back, or a square pass along the ground from inside the box as a cross?).

When your mind is made up, you'll look for any excuse. His goal against us in the FA Cup would probably be classed as a cross but it was a well worked goal from Villa's point of view and a good cut back from Delph for Benteke. There's going to be numerous occasions goals like that have been scored but they'll al fall under the umbrella of 'crosses'.

And since when did 'header' become such a dirty word on here anyway? We're lucky to have had loads of great strikers and most of them scored a fair few number of goals with their head. They were great at scoring goals which is what mattered. And most weren't complaining when they were helping us win matches. I hope Benteke's the same.
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Re: Welcome Christian Benteke
« Reply #606 on: July 27, 2015, 07:24:41 pm »
Not a bad thing picking up a player who can put away pens and free kicks.  Because, well, you know, our other one just left...
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Re: Welcome Christian Benteke
« Reply #607 on: July 27, 2015, 07:35:45 pm »
Breaking news just in - striker scores a few penalties and a free kick.

If this Johnny come lately type just turns up and starts knocking in goals from free kicks and penalties, showing anything less than heroic working class runs and honest goals by the sweat of his brow, there will be steam coming out of my ears.
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Re: Welcome Christian Benteke
« Reply #608 on: July 27, 2015, 08:31:12 pm »
Breaking news just in - striker scores a few penalties and a free kick.

Can't believe some of the people in this thread moaning about how a striker scores goals.

I always thought it was a good thing for a number 9 to be good at dead ball situations, I guess I must have been wrong.

Point is he's got a proven record of scoring in this league over the past 3 years.  Only Suarez, Aguero and RVP have scored more; not bad players those.

He's got a very good all round game, 2 good feet, quick, strong and good in the air!  Whats not to like about this kid!!

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Re: Welcome Christian Benteke
« Reply #609 on: July 27, 2015, 08:31:42 pm »
Breaking news just in - striker scores a few penalties and a free kick.

Wow, you seem rather edgy. Bad Monday?

Do you think everyone has some sort of agenda behind a normal post? Well if so, calm yourself before posting and think it through next time please.

I was just fucking wondering about his set pieces tally, that's all.

I don't care how he scores them, as long as he scores goal/provides assists for us.

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Re: Welcome Christian Benteke
« Reply #610 on: July 27, 2015, 08:42:06 pm »
Wow, you seem rather edgy. Bad Monday?

Do you think everyone has some sort of agenda behind a normal post? Well if so, calm yourself before posting and think it through next time please.

I was just fucking wondering about his set pieces tally, that's all.

I don't care how he scores them, as long as he scores goal/provides assists for us.

Your post came on the back of my reply to someone who was (incorrectly) concerned about the number of goals from crosses.

Once I'd ruled out his argument, I thought you were making a counter argument about set piece goals.

Apologies if I misinterpreted your intentions - its so hard to tell on here with so many wind up merchants around  :)
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Re: Welcome Christian Benteke
« Reply #611 on: July 27, 2015, 09:28:23 pm »
The Truth About Benteke and Crosses

By Andrew Beasley

Normally when Liverpool sign (or are heavily linked) to a player, I take a look at their stats from the previous season, to see what the numbers suggest the new boy might bring to the Reds in the coming campaign.

With Christian Benteke however, there is one major point of interest, thanks to interview with his manager Tim Sherwood, which included the following:

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Sherwood has also noted that Liverpool’s number of crosses this season – 409 – is the lowest in the top division. “We cross more balls into the box than any other club in the league and Christian has said that he feeds off crosses,” Sherwood said. “There’s no point going to a club where they don’t cross the ball."

Despite the fact that Sherwood is obviously keen to hang on to the Belgian striker, and also that ‘Tactics Tim’ is a figure of fun for Liverpool fans for 99% of the time, Kopites (or at least those disinterested with the notion of signing Benteke for £32.5m) have taken his comments to heart; do a search for ‘Benteke crosses’ on Twitter, and you’ll find plenty of tweets along those lines from pundits and Liverpool fans alike.

You get the idea, and whilst it is true that Brendan Rodgers’ Liverpool cross less often than every other team in the Premier League, a little dig deeper reveals some very interesting facts.

The first thing I wanted to discover was how important crosses are to Benteke’s scoring record. To measure this, I looked at how many of his assisted goals came via open play crosses, and how that compares to the rest of the Premier League. All of the stats quoted below are for league football since August 2012, which works out nicely as that period covers both the Brendan Rodgers era at Liverpool, and Benteke’s three years with Villa.

The Belgian striker has been assisted for twenty-eight league goals in his time with the Villans, and of those eight have been from crosses (though not including corners; we’ll cover those in a later section). This means that 29% of his strikes have required a ball in from wide areas.

In the Premier League over the same period, there have been 627 goals created via crosses, from a total of 2,042 net-bulgers that have been assisted; 31% in percentage terms, so a slightly higher proportion than Benteke.

If I had infinite time, I could see how the proportion of chances created from crosses to Benteke compares to league average, but it seems reasonable to say that the Belgian is no more reliant on crosses for goals than your average top flight team is at least.

He may also make more use of them than, say, Daniel Sturridge does (though in fairness the two players joint-topped the 2013/14 headed goal table, alongside Wilfried Bony), and Benteke is also in the top five in the league for receiving crosses, but there’s little to suggest he’s overly reliant on crosses to score goals in open play. People inevitably recall the most recent season most clearly, and as four of his nine assisted goals (44%) came from crosses that perhaps colours the collective thinking, but over a longer period the percentage is much lower.

But even if we assume that Benteke will require a high number of crosses to fully succeed at Liverpool (and as almost a quarter of his non-penalty goals have come that way, then it still seems a fairly reasonable assumption), how will he do this when the Reds cross less often than every other team?

Take a look at the following table, which shows how many chances Villa and Liverpool have created from crosses over the previous three seasons. It’s also to important to remember that Andy Carroll left at the start of this period too, so his presence isn’t felt in the below figures.



The Reds may not cross that often, but they appear equally as capable as Benteke’s Aston Villa at creating goalscoring opportunities from them. Crosses made up a higher proportion of Villa’s chances than they have done for Liverpool, but it certainly seems fair to say that Liverpool will create from crosses as often as Benteke is used to.

I noted in a piece on Nathaniel Clyne that he favours crossing as a creative strategy, and Benteke was assisted by Villa’s right back Bacuna four times last season (which was the joint-second best assist to goal scorer combination in the division), so perhaps this is a link up we might see in 2015/16.

I said we’d look at corners, so here we are: Christian Benteke has scored five of his twenty-eight assisted league goals (18%) via this method, which is a fair way above the league average of 8%, and he also converts set piece shots at a high level too.

The big Belgian has scored 12.3% of his shots in set piece situations (netting eight of his sixty-five efforts), which compares favourably with the top flight average which is 8.6%. At the same time, this is not as extreme as (for example) when Martin Skrtel scored 50% of his set piece efforts in 2013/14 (with seven goals from fourteen shots), so it’s a scoring rate that should be more likely to be sustained. Perhaps Benteke’s presence will lift Liverpool closer to their remarkable dead ball exploits which in turn helped to power a title challenge two seasons ago?

Aside from all of the above, researching this article has heartened me about Benteke in other ways that suggest he’s no mere battering ram; I found three goals where he won the ball himself high up the pitch before scoring (with two of these officially classed as counter attacks), three more where he received a pass in a deeper area and dribbled past a defender ahead of netting, and he also won a penalty that he converted to win a local derby 4-3.

I’m still not convinced he’s the right choice for Liverpool, as he hardly seems like a direct alternative to Daniel Sturridge (which is what the Reds so sorely lacked as they toiled for most of last season), but I have at least convinced myself that providing him with crosses shouldn’t be a struggle, and that he can score goals in a wide variety of ways. What do you think?

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Re: Welcome Christian Benteke
« Reply #612 on: July 27, 2015, 09:41:00 pm »
These discussions about crosses and how Benteke scores his goals...



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Re: Welcome Christian Benteke
« Reply #613 on: July 27, 2015, 09:50:59 pm »
He's the Belgium Ronaldo (Brazilian). 

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Re: Welcome Christian Benteke
« Reply #614 on: July 30, 2015, 06:04:34 am »
Did I miss something? Does he have a squad number yet?
There's nothing on the official site.

Maybe he's waiting to see if #9 becomes available, or could he take #25 that he wore during his spell at Genk?

Personally, assuming Rickie Lambert leaves (best of luck wherever you may go Rickie), I'd like him to wear #9 and hopefully become our next Rushie, God, or Torres.

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Re: Welcome Christian Benteke
« Reply #615 on: July 30, 2015, 06:30:05 am »
It's all about the #9
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« Reply #616 on: July 30, 2015, 06:53:32 am »
Yeah. I think its fair to assume that everyone at the club expects Lambert to leave, including Lambert himself, and there's no need to ask Lambert to give up his shirt number until we need to register Benteke's number, which I guess is just before the PL season starts

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Re: Welcome Christian Benteke
« Reply #617 on: July 30, 2015, 07:29:22 am »
Been a while since an actual good player had the number 9.

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Re: Welcome Christian Benteke
« Reply #618 on: July 30, 2015, 08:46:27 am »
hoping his that confident type of striker, one who demands the ball and rubs defenders up the wrong way ,constantly a menace

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Re: Welcome Christian Benteke
« Reply #619 on: July 30, 2015, 08:53:59 am »
hoping his that confident type of striker, one who demands the ball and rubs defenders up the wrong way ,constantly a menace
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« Reply #620 on: July 30, 2015, 09:37:07 am »
Spoken to loads of neutral fans about us signing Benteke and they are all amazed with our apparent moaning of the transfer. I guess it shows you how many goals Benteke has scored when nearly every Premier League side has had a bad experience against him.

I still maintain that if Benteke doesn't do well for us then thats more of a damning indictment of Rodgers and to a lesser extent the players we have at the club than Benteke. Its a complete bullshit theory that target men (although Benteke has much more to his game) don't do well with quick, creative players. It exists in many of the worlds top sides already and will illustrate the lack of tactical awareness and the ability to build a side the manager possesses.
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« Reply #621 on: July 30, 2015, 11:03:04 am »
I've not seen this comparison before and its not necessarily saying they possess the same quality but do we think he could become our Diego Costa?

He's a strong, mobile forward that will help our ability to "play around" a centre forward who can hold the ball up and make runs to stretch and occupy defenders in the same way Costa does. He can finish too of course.

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« Reply #622 on: July 30, 2015, 11:05:38 am »
I've not seen this comparison before and its not necessarily saying they possess the same quality but do we think he could become our Diego Costa?

He's a strong, mobile forward that will help our ability to "play around" a centre forward who can hold the ball up and make runs to stretch and occupy defenders in the same way Costa does. He can finish too of course.
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Re: Welcome Christian Benteke
« Reply #623 on: July 30, 2015, 12:11:58 pm »
I've not seen this comparison before and its not necessarily saying they possess the same quality but do we think he could become our Diego Costa?

He's a strong, mobile forward that will help our ability to "play around" a centre forward who can hold the ball up and make runs to stretch and occupy defenders in the same way Costa does. He can finish too of course.

Yes in a way, but Diego Costa has an aggression to his game that Benteke doesn't, i think a more apt comparison would be someone like Lewandowski.

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« Reply #624 on: July 30, 2015, 12:19:05 pm »
Yes in a way, but Diego Costa has an aggression to his game that Benteke doesn't, i think a more apt comparison would be someone like Lewandowski.
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Re: Welcome Christian Benteke
« Reply #625 on: July 30, 2015, 12:30:47 pm »
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Re: Welcome Christian Benteke
« Reply #626 on: July 30, 2015, 12:31:28 pm »
Is he capable of playing as a faux playmaker by dropping deep and playing sharp passes and through balls to runners? Like Ibra or Berbatov in his prime? Or is he more of a Torres the way he plays?

Havent seen enough of him to call it.
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Re: Welcome Christian Benteke
« Reply #627 on: July 30, 2015, 12:43:29 pm »
Is he capable of playing as a faux playmaker by dropping deep and playing sharp passes and through balls to runners? Like Ibra or Berbatov in his prime? Or is he more of a Torres the way he plays?

Havent seen enough of him to call it.

according to Rodgers,yes he can

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« Reply #628 on: July 30, 2015, 12:59:49 pm »
I don't think Benteke himself will be the one playing the pass though - certainly not to the extent of an Ibrahimovic or Berbatov - he's more likely to lay the ball off to our midfielders who in turn find the 'runners'. I'm hoping Firmino is great at those runs, maybe Ibe could do it as well, but it's something we've lost when Sterling went (and when Sturridge is out) as it isn't a major part of Lallana's or Coutinho's games. We'll get them from Milner and Henderson as well though, but that is from a deeper position, and naturally wont be as frequent as those from our forwards.

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Re: Welcome Christian Benteke
« Reply #629 on: July 30, 2015, 01:12:00 pm »
I don't think Benteke himself will be the one playing the pass though - certainly not to the extent of an Ibrahimovic or Berbatov - he's more likely to lay the ball off to our midfielders who in turn find the 'runners'. I'm hoping Firmino is great at those runs, maybe Ibe could do it as well, but it's something we've lost when Sterling went (and when Sturridge is out) as it isn't a major part of Lallana's or Coutinho's games. We'll get them from Milner and Henderson as well though, but that is from a deeper position, and naturally wont be as frequent as those from our forwards.

Think we'll see Ings making those runs until Sturridge is back? I'm personally hoping it will be Benteke doing the running rather than holding up the ball, I don't think Coutinho or Henderson really need a big man to hold it up, they're both capable of finding the right pass from deep as long as the options are there.

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Re: Welcome Christian Benteke
« Reply #630 on: July 30, 2015, 01:37:21 pm »
Benteke is Benteke.

He's not as good on the ball as Ibra or even Giroud but is good for a big fella and can link up play very well.

His movement isn't on the level of Costa either but he's no Andy Carroll.

He's more physical and offers more power and aerial ability than all of the above.

Alan Shearer was probably more like Benteke than any of the above.
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Re: Welcome Christian Benteke
« Reply #631 on: July 30, 2015, 01:50:43 pm »
I'd like to see us play the diamond at Bournemouth second game. Not sure about Stoke as we'll need the numbers and technical ability in midfield against a side that work hard.

---------------Can-------------
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Get a couple of goalscorers and creative players like Firmino and Lallana around Benteke to help him get firing early on in the season. We don't want him isolated and losing confidence early on.

I would presume Ibe will start against Stoke which means he's likely to start as a lone striker.

If it is Ibe, with Lallana or Firmino on the opposite side and Coutinho in the middle we'll need Lallana/Firmino getting close to him and taking advantage of the space he can create.
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Re: Welcome Christian Benteke
« Reply #632 on: July 30, 2015, 01:56:40 pm »
Costa
Lewandowski
Mandzukic
Benteke

are all kind of similar as classic number 9's with mobility.

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Re: Welcome Christian Benteke
« Reply #633 on: July 30, 2015, 02:01:40 pm »
I don't think Benteke himself will be the one playing the pass though - certainly not to the extent of an Ibrahimovic or Berbatov - he's more likely to lay the ball off to our midfielders who in turn find the 'runners'. I'm hoping Firmino is great at those runs, maybe Ibe could do it as well, but it's something we've lost when Sterling went (and when Sturridge is out) as it isn't a major part of Lallana's or Coutinho's games. We'll get them from Milner and Henderson as well though, but that is from a deeper position, and naturally wont be as frequent as those from our forwards.
Lallana(maybe even Markovic) and Firmino are the ones that I would expect to make those runs off Benteke. Lallana has needed a player like that for a while. Someone that holds up the ball well and flicks the ball down for him to run into. Firmino is another player that should thrive with Benteke. I was against Benteke because I thought he wouldn't fit until I read some stuff on Firmino's game and I was suddenly more optimistic.

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« Reply #634 on: July 30, 2015, 02:14:07 pm »
Lallana(maybe even Markovic) and Firmino are the ones that I would expect to make those runs off Benteke. Lallana has needed a player like that for a while. Someone that holds up the ball well and flicks the ball down for him to run into. Firmino is another player that should thrive with Benteke. I was against Benteke because I thought he wouldn't fit until I read some stuff on Firmino's game and I was suddenly more optimistic.

Is it a link to an article. Would be interested to have a read.

Agree with what you say above also by the way.
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Re: Welcome Christian Benteke
« Reply #635 on: July 30, 2015, 02:26:23 pm »
He's the Belgium Ronaldo (Brazilian).

Now now... Let us all calm down.

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« Reply #636 on: July 30, 2015, 02:40:17 pm »
Now now... Let us all calm down.

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Re: Welcome Christian Benteke
« Reply #637 on: July 30, 2015, 02:41:12 pm »


It's all clear now, he's the Belgian Peter Crouch. Just look at that robot imitation.
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Re: Welcome Christian Benteke
« Reply #638 on: July 30, 2015, 03:00:55 pm »
Unfortunately for Joe, he looks like Will Smith's kid there.
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Re: Welcome Christian Benteke
« Reply #639 on: July 30, 2015, 03:20:50 pm »
Yeah. I think its fair to assume that everyone at the club expects Lambert to leave, including Lambert himself, and there's no need to ask Lambert to give up his shirt number until we need to register Benteke's number, which I guess is just before the PL season starts



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