Topic: FT: LFC 1-2 MUFC

[killer-heels]

Agree on Balotelli, but you're off your rocker if you think Henderson will be sold.

Its all possible unless any contract is signed. He is available on a free after.

[rickardinho1]

Henderson stood up to Costa.

Skrtel+ Sakho don't mess about.

Balotelli doesn't  mind a bit of afters.

There's a few more.

I don't disagree, but would have liked to have seen one of them put in a hard tackle on Mata the way Gerrard did.

[rickardinho1]

Its all possible unless any contract is signed. He is available on a free after.

Ok, better start panicking then 

[Fordy]

Can is pretty good at the cynical dirty side too, but yeah I agree, we'll miss some of the "edge" when Gerrard goes.

And that's why he needs to be under serious consideration to be our future captain.
 
We urgently need an injection of balls.

[Fordy]

Henderson stood up to Costa.

Skrtel+ Sakho don't mess about.

Balotelli doesn't  mind a bit of afters.

There's a few more.

Telling you not of them get the crowd going.
Gerrard has to show that example often now. Yesterday(went OTT I know) and against Basle at home.

Bloody hell I even remember Kewell giving Neville a look we're not fucking about welcome once.

Far too much of a soft team that wants to play pretty football.

This is why the likes of lucas and Gerrard are missed as they don't fuck about.

[rickardinho1]

Telling you not of them get the crowd going.
Gerrard has to show that example often now. Yesterday(went OTT I know) and against Basle at home.

Bloody hell I even remember Kewell giving Neville a look we're not fucking about welcome once.

Far too much of a soft team that wants to play pretty football.

This is why the likes of lucas and Gerrard are missed as they don't fuck about.

Lucas gets a lot of stick for fouling a lot, but he's pretty much often the only one willing to cynically trip someone up to stop and attack. Last season we could have avoided conceding many goals had Coutinho or Allen or someone just chopped a guy downs stop a counter for example. Sometimes you need to be abit brutal to liven your team and the crowd up too, and there's not many who do that in our team.

[Tiz Lad]

Timbo, you and KH are right, but there's a fly in the ointment.

The Europa League. It's a massive distraction, time and energy consumer, and fucker-up of the playing schedule; Thursday/Sunday is not remotely good for any team with serious title ambitions, let alone a young and inexperienced one. As I've said elsewhere, it's a poisoned chalice.

Do you honestly think this team, with one injury prone striker, and a kid new to the league are serious title contenders - Top 4 yes - Title miles away

[cornelius]

FC Cuckoo Clock play in Siberia

Seriously that's a shit argument. A couple of extra hours in first class. Fuck me, we don't half make excuses. And it's not like Moscow, Kiev and St Petersburg are ever in the CL.

[cornelius]

Do you honestly think this team, with one injury prone striker, and a kid new to the league are serious title contenders - Top 4 yes - Title miles away

To be fair if we'd not had such a shit first half of the season and taken so long to address the defence we'd probably be in contention right now. It's not a stretch to think we'd have at least 7 or 8 more points on the board if we'd had Sturridge fit all season and got our act together quicker. I mean United aren't that far off and they've been mostly shit. This league is clearly not what it's cracked up to be. We're not as far off as you might think but we do have to get a few things right in the summer.

[Tiz Lad]

To be fair if we'd not had such a shit first half of the season and taken so long to address the defence we'd probably be in contention right now. It's not a stretch to think we'd have at least 7 or 8 more points on the board if we'd had Sturridge fit all season and got our act together quicker. I mean United aren't that far off and they've been mostly shit. This league is clearly not what it's cracked up to be. We're not as far off as you might think but we do have to get a few things right in the summer.

Agreed the standard is pants, but, as I expect now, United get Top 4 they'll throw a shed load more cash at it. Plus Chelsea and City will strengthen. Then to be honest we'll be fighting with Ars and Spuds for 4th, battle for the second and third tier players with potential, coupled with a Europa League cmpaign starting in late July

Long way away for me and sadly that's the way it will stay - Always there or thereabouts for 4th, at a push 3rd.

Even with a fit Sturridge, would we really have been that much closer, not so sure myself

But hey it's all about opinions mate

[DonkeyWan]

Strange thing about this match, I don't think I have ever seen a Liverpool v United game where everyone was in such total agreement that Liverpool were well beaten. It's the hope that kills you of course, never dream people, never dream, its down that route that lies disappointment and mental breakdown.

[killer-heels]

Agreed the standard is pants, but, as I expect now, United get Top 4 they'll throw a shed load more cash at it. Plus Chelsea and City will strengthen. Then to be honest we'll be fighting with Ars and Spuds for 4th, battle for the second and third tier players with potential, coupled with a Europa League cmpaign starting in late July

Long way away for me and sadly that's the way it will stay - Always there or thereabouts for 4th, at a push 3rd.

Even with a fit Sturridge, would we really have been that much closer, not so sure myself

But hey it's all about opinions mate

We have just spent half a season playing Champions form. What makes you think had he have been fit from the start that we wouldnt have 2 or 3 more wins on the board?

[mkingdon]

Skrtel charged by the FA.  Phil Jones is currently pissing his sides and picking Adam Lallana out of his barnet.

[Suareznumber7]

Balotelli will do well to be here next year. Henderson isnt really that strong and may also be sold.

Henderson is now getting sold?  The knee jerk to one loss is fucking hilarious around these parts. 

[spider-neil]

Even with a fit Sturridge, would we really have been that much closer, not so sure myself

Sturridge got 21 goals last season. Even if he got half that amount, just his mere presence on the pitch would have been enough to turn several games. For instance, Daniel wasn't on the score sheet for Spurs away or Swansea away but was crucial in both games. Sturridge all season would have made a massive difference.

[Tiz Lad]

We have just spent half a season playing Champions form. What makes you think had he have been fit from the start that we wouldnt have 2 or 3 more wins on the board?

Just my opinion, but it's all if's buts and maybes now, just like opinions.

But will ask where is quality coming from to challenge next season, with only Europa League as the attraction

[killer-heels]

Henderson is now getting sold?  The knee jerk to one loss is fucking hilarious around these parts. 

He may be sold yeah.

[Caston]

Skrtel charged by the FA.  Phil Jones is currently pissing his sides and picking Adam Lallana out of his barnet.

Sigh... 3 match ban incoming

[killer-heels]

Just my opinion, but it's all if's buts and maybes now, just like opinions.

But will ask where is quality coming from to challenge next season, with only Europa League as the attraction

There is lots of quality in the squad but yeah we do need to improve in one or two positions. But if you think every good player everywhere will get signed to a CL club exclusively then you are badly mistaken.

[spider-neil]

He may be sold yeah.

He'll only be sold if he doesn't sign the contract put in front of him. He wont be allowed to walk for free.

[Red Sea]

He may be sold yeah.

Wouldn't be surprised, and wouldn't bother me at all.
Need a midfielder to slow and speed the game up at will, like Alonso, Henderson is way off that.

[killer-heels]

He'll only be sold if he doesn't sign the contract put in front of him. He wont be allowed to walk for free.

Yeah thats what i mean. We shouldnt be making any long term plans with him at this time anyway.

[Michel]

Henderson will sign a new contract,I have no doubt about that.

[spider-neil]

Wouldn't be surprised, and wouldn't bother me at all.
Need a midfielder to slow and speed the game up at will, like Alonso, Henderson is way off that.

Gerrard was way off that until he gained loads of experience...and he still is prone to losing it.

[Tiz Lad]

There is lots of quality in the squad but yeah we do need to improve in one or two positions. But if you think every good player everywhere will get signed to a CL club exclusively then you are badly mistaken.

Maybe I am, but if you think we'll get top quality, then I feel you are badly mistaken

DM been needed for two seasons minimum - not addressed
Support for Sturridge not adressed

The only way you attract top quality is with CL or Cash, neither we have

[killer-heels]

Gerrard was way off that until he gained loads of experience...and he still is prone to losing it.

Gerrard had the ability but maybe not the discipline to do that role. Henderson has neither.

[Caston]

See everybody is back to crying and how we will never be good again then

[spider-neil]

Gerrard had the ability but maybe not the discipline to do that role. Henderson has neither.

You're speculating. I saw nothing in Gerrard's game that suggested he had the ability to slow the pace of the game down. Until recently, and by recently I mean last year, I saw Gerrard who throw gasoline on fires rather calmly blowing them out. Gerrard gained the ability to dictate the pace of the game late in his career, there is nothing to suggest Henderson can't do the same. And for now we need Henderson to create and score goals.

[killer-heels]

You're speculating. I saw nothing in Gerrard's game that suggested he had the ability to slow the pace of the game down. Until recently, and by recently I mean last year, I saw Gerrard who throw gasoline on fires rather calmly blowing them out. Gerrard gained the ability to dictate the pace of the game late in his career, there is nothing to suggest Henderson can't do the same. And for now we need Henderson to create and score goals.

He doesnt fuck up too much when pressed in his pomp and had a fantastic short and long passing range even under pressure. Henderson cannot do that and he cannot even turn his whole body in one fluid motion when receiving a pass from the defence.

[spider-neil]

He doesnt fuck up too much when pressed in his pomp and had a fantastic short and long passing range even under pressure. Henderson cannot do that and he cannot even turn his whole body in one fluid motion when receiving a pass from the defence.

I thought Gerrard was horrible when pressed. I thin you are making Gerrard to be something he wasn't. Gerrard was a Roy of the Rovers one in a million player, who could play any where and do pretty much anything but calm passer of the ball regardless of opposition press? Dictator of the pace of game? Sorry I must have missed that.

[Walshy nMe®]

What's so annoying to me are 2 things.

1 we looked terrible first 30 minutes. Not acceptable for a club at this level in a game as big of this.
2 we didn't get to see how Rodgers would have reacted. Any game plan he had ready or any tactical changes he made went out the window 30 seconds into the 2nd half.

Disappointing doesn't cover it.

[spider-neil]

We seem to go on the most unbelievable runs and then when the absolute crunch comes we seem to be like deer in headlights. Maybe the age of the squad has a lot to do with it. Fearless when the pressure is off but when it really counts they freeze. How we deal with it in future will get better with experience.

[FlashingBlade]

Frustraiting , but  I said before game, we haven't been firing on all cylinders ( apart from City ) for the past 5 or 6 games.

Biggest issue is the strength has come from how we are set up , but if wing backs don't push on our attack suffers...Stirling isn't suited to this role...

Top four deffo on , but I hope we don't lose sight of our aim is to win a Trophy.

[Fordy]

What's so annoying to me are 2 things.

1 we looked terrible first 30 minutes. Not acceptable for a club at this level in a game as big of this.
2 we didn't get to see how Rodgers would have reacted. Any game plan he had ready or any tactical changes he made went out the window 30 seconds into the 2nd half.

Disappointing doesn't cover it.

Why wait until half time to change it though. We should of changed it well before then.

[Rojo O Muerto]

See everybody is back to crying and how we will never be good again then

Hyperbole can work both ways.

[Miltonred]

Why wait until half time to change it though. We should of changed it well before then.

Gerrard came on for Lallana who was injured. Maybe Brendan would have left him on and just given the team instruction at half time?

"Changing it" before then is not so easy. Complex instructions are not easily passed on to the field, which is why you see teams usually change a lot mainly after half-time or with the introduction of subs late in the game.

Also we did comeback into the game a bit after 30 minutes so maybe Brendan was content that we had wrestled back some control, and felt not conceding again before the half was good enough, rather than try and fix something on the fly only to screw up something else.

[exiledintheUSA]

Why wait until half time to change it though. We should of changed it well before then.

Don't always agree with you Fordy but I was screaming for a change after 25 minutes, we we're being run ragged.

[4pool]

Why wait until half time to change it though. We should of changed it well before then.

Rodgers did change the formation before halftime.....

He didn't sub until Lallana got injured.

[007.lankyguy]

We did switch to the diamond midfield around the 30 minute mark (I can't remember precisely when but it was that sort of stage) so he wasn't doing nothing to change it. The difference between that and the Swansea game though was that we didn't push our wing backs up to play basically as wingers/wide forwards, which is what we did against Swansea to try and push them back. We probably didn't want to do that yesterday considering that would have left more space wide of our back three, spaces they had been exploiting.

[TheFlyingScouseman]

Wow, people are really thinking over this one. We lost, get over it, top 4 is still largely possible even if we don't get 3 points at Arsenal.