Topic: Russia launches invasion of Ukraine (*) & use spoiler tags for anything graphic!

[WhereAngelsPlay]

The correct type of artsy prog rock.

[west_london_red]

I read something on the BBC saying that the Americans had warned their citizens in Russia two weeks ago to avoid large gathering and music concerts in Moscow.

I don’t want to go on tin foil hat, but how do the Americans know something like this is going down and the Russians seemingly not? Someone in the FSB has absolutely dropped the ball in a tragic way.

[Elmo!]

I read something on the BBC saying that the Americans had warned their citizens in Russia two weeks ago to avoid large gathering and music concerts in Moscow.

I don’t want to go on tin foil hat, but how do the Americans know something like this is going down and the Russians seemingly not? Someone in the FSB has absolutely dropped the ball in a tragic way.

If you want to go full tin hat, it's a false flag with the blame to be put on Ukraine, and the Americans have spies inside who knew about it....

[stoa]

I don’t want to go on tin foil hat, but how do the Americans know something like this is going down and the Russians seemingly not? Someone in the FSB has absolutely dropped the ball in a tragic way.

A cynical person might say, that the FSB haven't dropped the ball, but rather weighed up the pros and cons of something like this and come to the conclusion you'd expect of them. We're talking about a state that has no issues with sending their people, the same kind of people who have been at that concert, into a war to just get mowed down on the frontlines. I don't think they'd give a fuck about some people at a concert being killed, if it suits their agenda and they can use it to put the blame on and whip up hatred for whoever they want to pin this on.

[Boston always unofficial]

The correct type of artsy prog rock.

There is no correct type of prog rock but they don't have to be killed for listening to it.

[west_london_red]

If you want to go full tin hat, it's a false flag with the blame to be put on Ukraine, and the Americans have spies inside who knew about it....

LOL I just said I don’t want to go tin foil hat and your suggesting I go full tin foil hat!!!

I’m a firm subscriber to the simplest explanation is usually the right one, ie the Russian security services dropped the ball.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

There is no correct type of prog rock but they don't have to be killed for listening to it.

I meant for them & by them I mean that little paranoid rat Putin.

[Egyptian36]

I'll walk where I want to, thanks.

As I said, loss of life is tragic. But Russia/Putin is going to try and exploit this tragedy to the max and that I will not condone.

Unfortunately he will just like what the United States and the UK did before.

[Mister Flip Flop]

Sorry, but I'm all out of sympathy for a country who's leader specialises in brutality and deception. We know that Zelensky would never, ever sanction such an attack because the optics would be hideous. But Ukraine isn't the only country Putin has stomped on with spiked boots.

I know it's cynical of me, but it's fucking Russia. The whole thing already stinks.

There's children dead amongst that crowd.

But yeah those children are responsible for the actions of the cnuts inside the Kremlin and you've no pity for them.

I understand you are angry at Russia everyone with a heart is but you've let yourself down badly in here tonight.

[Red Beret]

If you want to go full tin hat, it's a false flag with the blame to be put on Ukraine, and the Americans have spies inside who knew about it....

Or it could be the Russians decided to let it happen because they thought they could use it to their advantage. I wonder if the Americans passed on any intel, but that Russian intelligence services dismissed it out of hand, assuming it was a deception, or were just too arrogant to think it could happen?

[Red Beret]

There's children dead amongst that crowd.

But yeah those children are responsible for the actions of the cnuts inside the Kremlin and you've no pity for them.

I understand you are angry at Russia everyone with a heart is but you've let yourself down badly in here tonight.

I said the loss of life is tragic. I guess you're not reading my posts.

And you let yourself down badly almost every time you post lately.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

He's too busy watching the videos.

[Mister Flip Flop]

I said the loss of life is tragic. I guess you're not reading my posts.

And you let yourself down badly almost every time you post lately.

You said you've no pity for them. I'm done chatting to anyone who's no pity for dead people/children at the hands of terrorists.

[Red Beret]

You said you've no pity for them. I'm done chatting to anyone who's no pity for dead people/children at the hands of terrorists.

Oh thank fuck for that. Please please put me on ignore, then I can do the same and avoid your inane drivel.

[BarryCrocker]

I don’t want to go on tin foil hat, but how do the Americans know something like this is going down and the Russians seemingly not? Someone in the FSB has absolutely dropped the ball in a tragic way.

From some news reporting:

> Tomorrow 5th anniversary of the defeat of the ISIS Caliphate in Syria/Iraq.
> Russia killed 6 Isis-K terrorists in the predominantly Islamic North Caucasus region on 04/03.
> Russia recently arrested terrorists who were going to attack a synagogue on 07/03.

I'm sure the US are either listening for their own protection or have spies imbedded in these groups. They possibly gave the FSB a heads up and maybe out of stupidity or arrogance they didn't act.

[Caligula?]

ISIS had claimed responsibility for the attack.

[Circa1892]

ISIS had claimed responsibility for the attack.

That would make sense given Russias role in Syria for so long.

This is horrible enough - let’s just pray it isn’t leading to a false flag response.

[Mister Flip Flop]

ISIS had claimed responsibility for the attack.

Absolute shower of cowards.

[bigbonedrawky]

What is it Father used to say about the word "but" everything before it is horseshit...

Time to lock the thread for a bit maybe ?   

[Andy @ Allerton!]

And now Russia wants international sympathy?

Errr, no.

Loss of innocent life is tragic, but given the circumstances and current conditions within Russia, I'll be holding off when it comes to pity.

Weren't these just innocent people going to a concert?

[WhereAngelsPlay]

What is it Father used to say about the word "but" everything before it is horseshit...

Time to lock the thread for a bit maybe ?

Padlock and chains.

[classycarra]

Fucking hell this is grim news

Sounds like the terrorists have escaped too. If it really is ISIS (they've not provided proof), I only hope they're captured without more innocents murdered and the scum don't manage to 'martyr' themselves out of justice

[Zizou]

ISIS wouldn't hesitate for a second to do the same thing in a city in this country. It's not an attack on the Russian state, just on regular folk, same as always.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Fucking hell this is grim news

Sounds like the terrorists have escaped too. If it really is ISIS (they've not provided proof), I only hope they're captured without more innocents murdered and the scum don't manage to 'martyr' themselves out of justice

With any luck they're on their way to the local military institution, with nothing but evil intent.

[classycarra]

ISIS wouldn't hesitate for a second to do the same thing in a city in this country. It's not an attack on the Russian state, just on regular folk, same as always.

Yep. It's what they do, and they always will.

They love violence too much, and sadly for innocent civilians pretty much everywhere the're too fucking cowardly to ever try to take their zealous fundamentalism into battle. instead they will always try to murder innocent people (predominantly children and young people) trying to have fun

With any luck they're on their way to the local military institution, with nothing but evil intent.

alas, we've decades of experience of these corwards and we all know they're more likely to try to find a school, a synagogue, a mosque or a music venue

[stoopid yank]

Terrible visuals, brings back the memories of Mumbai terrorist attacks. Indiscriminate firing on civilians, awful.

My first thought was Paris 2015, but also agree very similar to Mumbai.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Yep. It's what they do, and they always will.

They love violence too much, and sadly for innocent civilians pretty much everywhere the're too fucking cowardly to ever try to take their zealous fundamentalism into battle. instead they will always try to murder innocent people (predominantly children and young people) trying to have fun

alas, we've decades of experience of these corwards and we all know they're more likely to try to find a school, a synagogue, a mosque or a music venue

We're still talking about ISIS & not Russia ?

Be great if they were able to take out the midget though wouldn't it, never happen but we can dream.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

It's more than likely Chechens who've started identifying as ISIS.

[rhysd]

It's more than likely Chechens who've started identifying as ISIS.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_insurgency_in_the_North_Caucasus

It's this.

Most reports saying it's an Ingushetia cell.

[Yorkykopite]

ISIS wouldn't hesitate for a second to do the same thing in a city in this country. It's not an attack on the Russian state, just on regular folk, same as always.

Yes.

[Libertine]

@JimmySecUK
Putin laser focused the Russian state on fighting an imaginary enemy - “Nazis” in Ukraine - whilst ignoring the very real threats Russia faced from groups like ISIS-K. This is the result.


This is spot on. Regardless of how they handled the recent warnings from the US, they've clearly lost focus on the fight against ISIS while pursuing their own genocidal campaign against Ukraine.

[Andy82lfc]

@JimmySecUK
Putin laser focused the Russian state on fighting an imaginary enemy - “Nazis” in Ukraine - whilst ignoring the very real threats Russia faced from groups like ISIS-K. This is the result.


This is spot on. Regardless of how they handled the recent warnings from the US, they've clearly lost focus on the fight against ISIS while pursuing their own genocidal campaign against Ukraine.

Such an easy, typical, lazy take for me. (Not by you mate but the tweet)

I wonder what imaginary enemy were to blame for us ignoring the Manchester and London bombings or the French for the Paris and Nice attacks, US for 9/11 etc, etc.

These type of attacks can sometimes be down to awful intelligence mistakes or simply that some of these evil people carry everything out in complete secret and make it very hard to track down.

[Yorkykopite]

Such an easy, typical, lazy take for me. (Not by you mate but the tweet)

I wonder what imaginary enemy were to blame for us ignoring the Manchester and London bombings or the French for the Paris and Nice attacks, US for 9/11 etc, etc.

These type of attacks can sometimes be down to awful intelligence mistakes or simply that some of these evil people carry everything out in complete secret and make it very hard to track down.

True, although it does seem they were getting back-channel warnings from the US and the West that an attack was imminent.

[Caligula?]

They had the intelligence. The US warned its citizens not to go to crowded places in Moscow for fear of an imminent attack weeks ago. Why the Russians did nothing is beyond me.

It doesn't surprise me though. They rolled into Ukraine with rusted out tanks and artillery from the Soviet Union. I doubt their intelligence is on a much higher level.

[filopastry]

I mean its a borderline police state, and it sounds like there was hard intel this was coming, its a bit of a miss to put it mildly.

[west_london_red]

Putin now saying the terrorists were heading towards Ukraine when they were captured, pretty predictable from the twat I suppose

[Circa1892]

Putin now saying the terrorists were heading towards Ukraine when they were captured, pretty predictable from the twat I suppose

Fucking desperate for that man to die.

[Libertine]

Putin now saying the terrorists were heading towards Ukraine when they were captured, pretty predictable from the twat I suppose

So the "Nazi state" with the Jewish president is now in league with the Islamists. Seems legit....

[Yorkykopite]

Putin now saying the terrorists were heading towards Ukraine when they were captured, pretty predictable from the twat I suppose

This helps explain why Russian intelligence services are so crap. Putin's telling a lie obviously. He needs to tell it because it's more important to his regime that the Russian people get worked up by Ukraine (and the West) rather than by Islamists terrorists. The lie enters the bloodstream of Russian life. It flows everywhere, including back to the intelligence services.

[Schmidt]

Russia has been pouring everything into Ukraine, it's not really a shock that terrorists would be able to take advantage of the lack of border protection and general chaos, Russians fighting for Ukraine were able to cross the border numerous times with little opposition.

As for how the intel could be ignored, there's no shortage of possibilities really; Putin letting it happen so he can blame Ukraine and rally support for the elections, a lack of focus on anything not related to Ukraine, even the terrorists paying corrupt officials to look the other way is a possibility.