Author Topic: Raheem Shaquille Sterling (Read 679951 times)

smurfinaus · « **Reply #400 on:** October 19, 2013, 11:53:39 pm »

Whats actually happening with the boy? BR seems to be intent on converting him to a wingback for some reason.

elpistolero7 · « **Reply #401 on:** October 20, 2013, 12:03:52 am »

18 year old flatters to decieve in an uncomfortable position when the entire team's been gash barring 2 or 3 players after coming on in the 80th minute.

Goes from being the next John Barnes to the next SWP.

Excellent mylords, excellent.

Cpt_Reina · « **Reply #402 on:** October 20, 2013, 12:04:00 am »

Quote from: smurfinaus on October 19, 2013, 11:53:39 pm

Whats actually happening with the boy? BR seems to be intent on converting him to a wingback for some reason.

Cos that's the only wide position on the pitch in our current formation and Johnson's been out.

Not too hard to fathom really.

Aristotle · « **Reply #403 on:** October 20, 2013, 12:32:57 am »

What's this obsession with loaning him out? He's an impact player, like 99% of players with his skill set, age and "experience". Shelvey needed gametime because he wasn't getting ahead of Gerrard or Lucas in midfield. Suso needs gametime because if he is to become a playmaker he needs regular times being the creative force. That won't happen on the same pitch as Gerrard, Coutinho and Suarez. But training with top class players, for somone like Sterling is much more important. You can much more guarantee what will be forced into his head in training and what kind of levels he should be striving for. Coutinho and Sturridge for example can dribble the ball better than anyone at Championship level has or ever will.

Pirlo talked about how training with Baggio, during his time at Brescia, helped him improve his passing and shooting. He said that it's where he developed his ability to take free kicks, adding a whole new element to his game. Pirlo spent half a season on loan, 12 years ago. He still talks about how it benefitted his game training with Baggio. If we're getting McManaman in, we've got players who know how to work on the ball, what to do with it and who show composure with it. That will benefit Sterling a lot more than running around some championship ogre, on a frozen pitch, where everyone is out to hurt him.

trembles97 · « **Reply #404 on:** October 20, 2013, 12:39:42 am »

What was concerning for me is that he beat his man easily at one point, and couldn't have looked more surprised. Didn't lose the ball or anything after, just passed it off, but it does look like he's a little short of confidence.

Wouldn't mind to see him start next week to shake things up. It won't happen unless we change the formation, though.

Cpt_Reina · « **Reply #405 on:** October 20, 2013, 11:17:32 am »

Dont think it's mentioned enough that Sterling spent his 2 years in the ressies/U18s pretty much exclusively playing on the left. He's not been near that wing for a while now in the first team.

Playing on the right is an entirely different prospect.

It'll do him good to experience the nuisances of both roles, but there's obviously a learning curve. That's what he's going through now. Nothing wrong with it.

Draex · « **Reply #406 on:** October 20, 2013, 11:20:40 am »

Quote from: Cpt_Reina on October 20, 2013, 11:17:32 am

Dont think it's mentioned enough that Sterling spent his 2 years in the ressies/U18s pretty much exclusively playing on the left. He's not been near that wing for a while now in the first team.

Playing on the right is an entirely different prospect.

It'll do him good to experience the nuisances of both roles, but there's obviously a learning curve. That's what he's going through now. Nothing wrong with it.

Crazy isn't it - 18 year old already knows the left wing well, just learning a broader game and he's 18... Imagine him at 21.

Yolanderyolando · « **Reply #407 on:** October 20, 2013, 03:05:41 pm »

The people who are claiming that everyone is being harsh and stupid for saying he has gone backwards and very average are the same people who went completely over the top with him.

He never was and is never going to be the next Barnes. He is an below average prem player currently and hopefully can turn into a decent first team player.

He is and hasn't shown me anything to say he is going to be a top player.

RyanBabel19 · « **Reply #408 on:** October 20, 2013, 03:18:03 pm »

Quote from: Aristotle on October 20, 2013, 12:32:57 am

What's this obsession with loaning him out? He's an impact player, like 99% of players with his skill set, age and "experience". Shelvey needed gametime because he wasn't getting ahead of Gerrard or Lucas in midfield. Suso needs gametime because if he is to become a playmaker he needs regular times being the creative force. That won't happen on the same pitch as Gerrard, Coutinho and Suarez. But training with top class players, for somone like Sterling is much more important. You can much more guarantee what will be forced into his head in training and what kind of levels he should be striving for. Coutinho and Sturridge for example can dribble the ball better than anyone at Championship level has or ever will.

Pirlo talked about how training with Baggio, during his time at Brescia, helped him improve his passing and shooting. He said that it's where he developed his ability to take free kicks, adding a whole new element to his game. Pirlo spent half a season on loan, 12 years ago. He still talks about how it benefitted his game training with Baggio. If we're getting McManaman in, we've got players who know how to work on the ball, what to do with it and who show composure with it. That will benefit Sterling a lot more than running around some championship ogre, on a frozen pitch, where everyone is out to hurt him.

Well put

A loan is the wrong move for him, it seems as soon as a young player has a dip in form 'he needs a loan' is the go to reaction

redrockydennis · « **Reply #409 on:** October 20, 2013, 03:24:08 pm »

He's a shit Ryan babel.

Adeemo · « **Reply #410 on:** October 20, 2013, 03:35:05 pm »

Quote from: Cpt_Reina on October 20, 2013, 11:17:32 am

Dont think it's mentioned enough that Sterling spent his 2 years in the ressies/U18s pretty much exclusively playing on the left. He's not been near that wing for a while now in the first team.

Played there for most of the pre-season and it looked like he'd stepped his game up another level as he'd got a few goals coming off the left and making good runs in behind. It's easy to forget just how good he looked during pre-season and like you said, he's seen next to no game time on the left so far this season.

TheShanklyGates · « **Reply #411 on:** October 20, 2013, 03:35:43 pm »

Quote from: Yolanderyolando on October 20, 2013, 03:05:41 pm

The people who are claiming that everyone is being harsh and stupid for saying he has gone backwards and very average are the same people who went completely over the top with him.

He never was and is never going to be the next Barnes. He is an below average prem player currently and hopefully can turn into a decent first team player.

He is and hasn't shown me anything to say he is going to be a top player.

He's 18.

Juan Loco · « **Reply #412 on:** October 20, 2013, 03:38:50 pm »

Some of you need fucking sectioning. God help your children if a club picks them up at a young age.

The G in Gerrard · « **Reply #413 on:** October 20, 2013, 03:44:51 pm »

Some ridiculous criticism of Sterling in here.

BER · « **Reply #414 on:** October 20, 2013, 04:51:10 pm »

Being handled horribly at the moment isn't he?

Euskadi · « **Reply #415 on:** October 20, 2013, 04:53:22 pm »

Quote from: TheShanklyGates on October 20, 2013, 03:35:43 pm

He's 18.

Don't waste your breath mate.

TheGOAT · « **Reply #416 on:** October 20, 2013, 04:57:50 pm »

Quote from: BER on October 20, 2013, 04:51:10 pm

Being handled horribly at the moment isn't he?

Not really, no.

b_joseph · « **Reply #417 on:** October 20, 2013, 05:01:14 pm »

It's an iffy situation both ways.

He is young enough that you don't want to place too much expectation on him...but he is also young enough that someone of this age that is around the playing element of our first team this often, will have to endure lofty expectations and as a consequence over the top viewpoints.
At this age, Michael Owen was being held up as the saviour for club and country. Granted, he dealt with it well but it was crazy to place so much on him, looking back on it.
Rooney the same.

Maybe we all went a little too crazy on the positive end of the scale this time last year...and then getting the England call ups don't really help in that regard as well.

SlowRap · « **Reply #418 on:** October 20, 2013, 05:01:52 pm »

Quote from: Yolanderyolando on October 20, 2013, 03:05:41 pm

The people who are claiming that everyone is being harsh and stupid for saying he has gone backwards and very average are the same people who went completely over the top with him.

It's the same knee-jerk idiots, he'll score a brace soon and be hailed the new Barnes again.

Euskadi · « **Reply #419 on:** October 20, 2013, 05:08:05 pm »

Quote from: SlowRap on October 20, 2013, 05:01:52 pm

It's the same knee-jerk idiots, he'll score a brace soon and be hailed the new Barnes again.

Exactly, there needs to be a balance struck with these young players especially, he obviously has bags of talents when compared to others of his age group but so do other young players in the past who have not been able to fulfil their potential because of a) their mentality and b) mismanagement by their respective clubs (I am not suggesting that either is the case with Raheem, just pointing out the risks).

DefJack · « **Reply #420 on:** October 20, 2013, 05:18:47 pm »

He's not a RWB, he's certainly not a right winger, he isn't even a left winger, he's no more a winger than Messi was when he played on the right, or when Coutinho plays on the left for us, he's an inside left, his strength isn't beating a man and whipping a ball in, it's dropping deep, picking up the ball and driving inside at the opposition, or using his pace and movement to get behind utilising the space between the CB and RB.

He's a modern footballer playing under outdated expectations, he needs time and he NEEDS an established role/run in the team, his role is specific yet he's expected to play like a utility man, its confusing his play, he looks so bereft of confidence and it's horrible to see.

We might as well play him as a centre back, this is horrible for his development.

Cpt_Reina · « **Reply #421 on:** October 20, 2013, 05:28:36 pm »

Quote from: BlindJack on October 20, 2013, 05:18:47 pm

He's not a RWB, he's certainly not a right winger, he isn't even a left winger, he's no more a winger than Messi was when he played on the right, or when Coutinho plays on the left for us, he's an inside left, his strength isn't beating a man and whipping a ball in, it's dropping deep, picking up the ball and driving inside at the opposition, or using his pace and movement to get behind utilising the space between the CB and RB.

He's a modern footballer playing under outdated expectations, he needs time and he NEEDS an established role/run in the team, his role is specific yet he's expected to play like a utility man, its confusing his play, he looks so bereft of confidence and it's horrible to see.

We might as well play him as a centre back, this is horrible for his development.

I agree with half of this.

He's certainly not a winger. Aaron Lennon is a winger. He's quick, he goes outside his man and he attempts to put a cross in. Sterling, is a wide forward, like you say.

He's not playing in a position that suits him, nowhere on the right particularly suits him. But thats not to say playing there wont be good for him. Because I think it can be, he can do to learn to go outside his man more often and more effectively. It'll do him good to have to try and think his way around those situations. And it'll improve his usefulness to our squad if he learns to play there effectively.

Its important to have players who can play in different positions, in different tactical setups. Sterling will hopefully add something to his game because of this.

Sturridge disliked playing out wide for Chelsea, he was always a centre forward doing a job out of position rather than a genuine wide forward. But like it or not I reckon he learned a great deal about working the channels in that time. On how to pull wide and isolate a defender.

Attributes that are now standing him in good stead now he's back in the centre. He may not have enjoyed the experience, and Im sure many would argue that Chelsea were under utilising his talent, but in the long run it might have done a lot more good for him than harm.

Sterling on the right will hopefully pay similar sort of dividends.

tyrolean_red · « **Reply #422 on:** October 20, 2013, 05:44:59 pm »

I think it's quite simple. He should be loaned out. To a championship side probably. It would give him the much needed game time.

The 1989 Brit Awards · « **Reply #423 on:** October 20, 2013, 05:57:19 pm »

Quote from: Cpt_Reina on October 20, 2013, 05:28:36 pm

He's certainly not a winger. Aaron Lennon is a winger. He's quick, he goes outside his man and he attempts to put a cross in. Sterling, is a wide forward, like you say.

A Winger can also go inside his man and shoot at goal, like Robben or Ribery.

Cpt_Reina · « **Reply #424 on:** October 20, 2013, 06:00:19 pm »

Quote from: LuisFalcao on October 20, 2013, 05:57:19 pm

A Winger can also go inside his man and shoot at goal, like Robben or Ribery.

Wouldnt say either of them are wingers, in the traditional sense.

Both inverted, on their 'wrong' flank. How often does Robben go outside his man on his right foot? One of the most notoriously one footed players in world football.

Put Robben on the left and he's a completely different player, a less effective one. Ditto Ribery on the right.

The 1989 Brit Awards · « **Reply #425 on:** October 20, 2013, 06:08:45 pm »

Quote from: Cpt_Reina on October 20, 2013, 06:00:19 pm

Wouldnt say either of them are wingers, in the traditional sense.

Both inverted, on their 'wrong' flank. How often does Robben go outside his man on his right foot? One of the most notoriously one footed players in world football.

Put Robben on the left and he's a completely different player, a less effective one. Ditto Ribery on the right.

I still think they're wingers. IMO wingers don't have to be restricted to crossing. That's maybe the definition of "English Winger" (Downing). Robben does go outside of his man on his right foot. 40/60 to when he cuts in an uses his left foot. Ribery as well, crosses a lot with his left foot but also does the cut in. They can do both, they don't have to be restricted to one or the other option.

It is for this reason that I think Sterling should improve his crossing. You may think what you think of his position, but to have "crossing" as a tool in his drawer can only help him. That he is an "inside forward" and not a winger according to you shouldn't be an excuse to cross badly.

Adeemo · « **Reply #426 on:** October 20, 2013, 06:09:11 pm »

Quote from: Cpt_Reina on October 20, 2013, 06:00:19 pm

Wouldnt say either of them are wingers, in the traditional sense.

Both inverted, on their 'wrong' flank. How often does Robben go outside his man on his right foot? One of the most notoriously one footed players in world football.

Put Robben on the left and he's a completely different player, a less effective one. Ditto Ribery on the right.

And 9 out of 10 times Brendan likes to play with inverted wingers/wide forwards when he plays 4-3-3, it's just that we're not playing that at the moment in an attempt to get the best out of Suarez and Sturridge, as well as probably Coutinho when he returns, so Raheem's chances have been hampered massively because of it.

Pinky_Bieber · « **Reply #427 on:** October 20, 2013, 06:31:00 pm »

i'm afraid he's sex addicted

paulred71 · « **Reply #428 on:** October 20, 2013, 08:03:24 pm »

U have to give this kid a break he is 18 getting 10-15 cameos. With Coutinho moving central and Moses brought in for the left I really thought his role would be back up to Moses for the left forward position getting on as a sub for Moses, playing cup games and the odd start to help him develop. That's a tough role to do as its hard to shine in little cameos but this awful change of formation has screwed it for him. There is no place for him in this set up and I hope it changes when Coutinho is back. His strength is playing left forward either going at the full back our coming inside at pace. He isn't a wing back or a number 10.

john_mac · « **Reply #429 on:** October 20, 2013, 08:34:05 pm »

18 yes 18

RedPat · « **Reply #430 on:** October 20, 2013, 08:56:29 pm »

I think he looks slow and laboured this season.

jhatch · « **Reply #431 on:** October 20, 2013, 09:06:18 pm »

I keep reading that he's an 'impact' player. I'm not so sure myself. I've not seen anything from him coming off the bench, he struggles to get into the game. He needs to be involved from the start. Trouble is he's not good enough to start at the moment. That's no dig at him in anyway because as people seem to forget, he is only 18. Maybe a loan is the best option, but not until January when we can get a bit more experience in as cover. I'm still very excited about Raheem and think he will be a top player.

indlfc · « **Reply #432 on:** October 21, 2013, 07:27:37 am »

False right back.

Nin · « **Reply #433 on:** October 21, 2013, 07:52:16 am »

Needs a loan. I think he would benefit from playing regularly for one of the weaker teams in the league.

jimmyjr86 · « **Reply #434 on:** October 21, 2013, 08:17:11 am »

Groundhog day in here. The lad is 18. He isn't a 28 yr old player we've just spend 10m plus on. He is learning the game still. Give him time and support him ffs.

A loan would be good for him just to get him away from our supporters for a while. Other than that he's playing most weeks as an 18yr old. All he needs right now.

elsewhere · « **Reply #435 on:** October 21, 2013, 10:07:36 am »

He is only 1 year younger than 19

Hank Scorpio · « **Reply #436 on:** October 21, 2013, 10:12:01 am »

Hugely unfair to bring him on at full back. He is starting to look lost.

Funky_Gibbons · « **Reply #437 on:** October 21, 2013, 10:31:28 am »

Quote from: Hank Scorpio on October 21, 2013, 10:12:01 am

Hugely unfair to bring him on at full back. He is starting to look lost.

It's the only wide position he can play in the current formation. I don't really see what he done so wrong in ten minutes he was on the pitch.

sattapaartridge · « **Reply #438 on:** October 21, 2013, 10:35:26 am »

I think he could have done a better job as number 10 than Moses is currently doing. Thought he was bright when he came on, but he is lightweight, but you know, he's 18!

Hank Scorpio · « **Reply #439 on:** October 21, 2013, 10:45:53 am »

Quote from: Funky_Gibbons on October 21, 2013, 10:31:28 am

It's the only wide position he can play in the current formation. I don't really see what he done so wrong in ten minutes he was on the pitch.

I don't think he did anything wrong either. But you know it's unfair when you stick him there and a long ball is floated over and he is challenging a 6ft 3in striker for the high ball. He was thrown to the floor like rag doll.