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« Reply #320 on: December 30, 2012, 01:55:49 pm »
Bravo Tommy. I looked up that Fanning piece with idea of a point by point rebuttal but found it such a rambling unfocused piece of shit I lost the will to do so. His opening statement is clearly logically flawed. It does make you wonder what sort of idiot you would have to be to think it was a good article.
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« Reply #321 on: December 30, 2012, 01:56:25 pm »
Awful piece by Fanning
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Great picking apart of some more of Fanning's text there. Supports the point I was trying to make about the low level of reasoning in the article.

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« Reply #322 on: December 30, 2012, 01:59:50 pm »
Think it will be down to results mate that will hold the key to the managers future.

Liverpool FC is now run by money men and sponsors. No CL, no decent finish in the leage will mean an inquest into why.

You only have to look at the recent sackings in football and most of them haven't been down to the fans calling for the managers head. It's been down to club owners and sponsors. FSG have shown that they will fire anyone that they believe are not getting results.

Look at Broughton's response to being called out by match going fans on sacking Rafa. He through the media (and as a publicly viewable site I include RAWK in that) honestly believed it would be an overwhelmingly popular decision.
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« Reply #323 on: December 30, 2012, 02:05:07 pm »
Reece, I'll have you a £50 bet, proceeds to the RAWK coffers, that BR is here after Summer 2013.
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« Reply #324 on: December 30, 2012, 02:05:27 pm »
Look at Broughton's response to being called out by match going fans on sacking Rafa. He through the media (and as a publicly viewable site I include RAWK in that) honestly believed it would be an overwhelmingly popular decision.

Well thats ashame mate. Its very disappointing in fact.

No fan should be calling for a managers head at a game or through media.

My worry though is that it seems Ayre didn't want Rafa back and if you get suits running us then we're in big trouble anyway cause they guess things and as you say go by reaction.

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« Reply #325 on: December 30, 2012, 02:09:29 pm »
Fanning was close to Rafa. It made his stuff great to read when Rafa was here. Like many though he is still carrying a torch for Rafa and it has been pretty transparent in all his articles since Rodgers took over.
I think you telly underestimate fanning, he is no ones pasty. He has knocked Rafa in the past. He has a history of both condemning and admiring bacon face as well. You may want to see something else in it. I worry because he doesn't write something unless he knows something.
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« Reply #326 on: December 30, 2012, 02:10:35 pm »
Well fuck me. A few years back I had Fanning down as one of the good guys following his superb articles offering considered rationale for supporting the beleaguered Rafa as the internet jackals aided by Jamie and Purslow hounded him out.

He then consolidated that standing by offering us the same level of rationale as to why Hodgson was a square peg in a round hole.

Reading this pile of shite, I now realise that all along he was simply an agenda driven apologist writing polemics not to support rafa or decry Hodgson but merely to sate his own vanity as a writer/polemicist seeking the approving nod of the "knowing" Liverpudlian.

Well Fanning you've shown your true colours now. And you can go fuck yourself. The basis of rationale for this sorry excuse of a polemic is so fuckin flimsy it's embarrassing to read. We're in the position we're in right now not because of the current managerial quality but due to the prevailing quality of our playing resources and playing mentality which have been steadily denuded over 4 years with the piece de resistance arriving on the last transfer deadline day leaving us without a solitary predator - because Luis for all his other qualities ain't that. Rodgers impact one way or the other in regard to our playing strength or mentality is marginal. Long term he may or may not prove to be the answer but your weasel words and scurrilous undermining of his ability to carry off this job based on no evidence whatsoever is merely fodder to those who thrive on crises to sate their road rage mentality.

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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #327 on: December 30, 2012, 02:12:18 pm »
Good post Evans.

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« Reply #328 on: December 30, 2012, 02:16:33 pm »
Top post. There is no manager that can sort out this mess in 6 months. Like I have said even Pep guardiola would struggle to get this team near top 4 in 6 months.

Another question is though, would Pep Guardiola be showing us tangible signs of where we are going?

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« Reply #329 on: December 30, 2012, 02:16:41 pm »
I think you telly underestimate fanning, he is no ones pasty. He has knocked Rafa in the past. He has a history of both condemning and admiring bacon face as well. You may want to see something else in it. I worry because he doesn't write something unless he knows something.

He knows fuck all.  There is nothing of substance in the entire piece it is vacant conjecture and logically flawed. I am quite amused at the thought of him being a pasty though. In this case that pasty is all potato and no meat.
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« Reply #330 on: December 30, 2012, 02:18:42 pm »
Like I have said even Pep guardiola would struggle to get this team near top 4 in 6 months.

I know and how the fuck he ever managed to turn a team of utter shite containing Messi, Iniesta, Xavi and Alves into world beaters will remain forever one of football's inexplicable mysteries. I mean, name one other manager who could possibly have done that.

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« Reply #331 on: December 30, 2012, 02:20:48 pm »
I think you telly underestimate fanning, he is no ones pasty. He has knocked Rafa in the past. He has a history of both condemning and admiring bacon face as well. You may want to see something else in it. I worry because he doesn't write something unless he knows something.

That has to be autocorrect doesn't it?  ;D

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« Reply #332 on: December 30, 2012, 02:22:20 pm »
I think you telly underestimate fanning, he is no ones pasty. He has knocked Rafa in the past. He has a history of both condemning and admiring bacon face as well. You may want to see something else in it. I worry because he doesn't write something unless he knows something.
The point shouldn't be about Fannings persona. It should be about the words he write. Not the words he has written before, but the ones he has written right now. It doesn't matter who writes something - if it's poor, it's poor. If someone unknown wrote that article, we would ignore it.

And if Fanning doesn't write something unless knowing something, then he should show that in his writing - because, regardless of the man, the text screams of ignorance. If he knows something, he hasn't put it into that article.

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« Reply #333 on: December 30, 2012, 02:23:25 pm »
That has to be autocorrect doesn't it?  ;D

haha so we`ve got pasty and bacon. Any other culinary delights.

Next time Reece try something like "He`s no ones cheese flan"

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« Reply #334 on: December 30, 2012, 02:28:15 pm »
The point shouldn't be about Fannings persona. It should be about the words he write. Not the words he has written before, but the ones he has written right now. It doesn't matter who writes something - if it's poor, it's poor. If someone unknown wrote that article, we would ignore it.

And if Fanning doesn't write something unless knowing something, then he should show that in his writing - because, regardless of the man, the text screams of ignorance. If he knows something, he hasn't put it into that article.

For me it simply tells us that the man is a writer/polemicist. As such he has a point of view/agenda which he attempts to support by means of considered rationale. The problem in this instance is that his basic premise is fundamentally flawed because there simply is no premise at this moment because of prevailing playing strength circumstances and the brevity of the timescale.   

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« Reply #335 on: December 30, 2012, 02:31:46 pm »
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« Reply #336 on: December 30, 2012, 02:32:07 pm »
Another question is though, would Pep Guardiola be showing us tangible signs of where we are going?

There are signs that the team has shown of what this team is capable of doing. We have absolutely battered some teams this season and out played some top teams but the consistency is just lacking, but with the correct players and more experience I don't see how this team can't do it week in week out. Saying Rodgers has not given us glimpse of the future is very harsh. Only 2 teams average more shots per game than us, those are Juve and Madrid.

I don't think any top manager would fare much better given the squad and the jumbled nature of it and teaching the players the new system takes just as long wether its BR teaching them or Guardiola. Guardiola had a great squad full of techically gifted players who could learn it quickly where as rodger's squad was made of mosty kids, out of form players, dead wood.
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« Reply #337 on: December 30, 2012, 02:33:04 pm »
For me it simply tells us that the man is a writer/polemicist. As such he has a point of view/agenda which he attempts to support by means of considered rationale. The problem in this instance is that his basic premise is fundamentally flawed because there simply is no premise at this moment because of prevailing playing strength circumstances and the brevity of the timescale.
That's fair enough. For me, when I start reading something, I try to ignore what ever motives people may have - because it's often impossible to actually tell, and will just colour your interpretation - and rather just treat the text as if it's written by someone anonymous. A text should be able to speak for itself. This one tells us pretty much nothing.

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« Reply #338 on: December 30, 2012, 02:38:30 pm »
Top post. There is no manager that can sort out this mess in 6 months. Like I have said even Pep guardiola would struggle to get this team near top 4 in 6 months.

So you are saying that Guardiola couldnt have got us another couple of wins in the games we've played so far becasue that is how far behind top 4 we are? That BR is the best manager in the world and no matter who was put in charge in the  summer we couldnt expect to be any better off than where we are now?

Bear in mind that Guardiola would have worked with a DOF as the extra helpwould be the sensible thing to have, something BR refused to do,I believe that with the right structure behind the manager, we'd be doing better now.

If BR is unsuccessful, nobody could say it was because he had no support because it was he who said no to it.
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« Reply #339 on: December 30, 2012, 02:47:44 pm »
There are signs that the team has shown of what this team is capable of doing. We have absolutely battered some teams this season and out played some top teams but the consistency is just lacking, but with the correct players and more experience I don't see how this team can't do it week in week out. Saying Rodgers has not given us glimpse of the future is very harsh. Only 2 teams average more shots per game than us, those are Juve and Madrid.

I don't think any top manager would fare much better given the squad and the jumbled nature of it and teaching the players the new system takes just as long wether its BR teaching them or Guardiola. Guardiola had a great squad full of techically gifted players who could learn it quickly where as rodger's squad was made of mosty kids, out of form players, dead wood.

Our current predicament isn't normal though, it's not the best we can muster. Rodgers has to start winning games, with the players at his disposal, it's his job. He wasn't brought in, just so he can start winning games, when he has his dream team. He was brought in to build, but results are expected, whether we like it or not, he has to start delivering some results. Seriously, our best result this season, is a win away to West Ham, that's not normal, that is quite simply not good enough, and to pretend it is, is ludicrous, to me at least.

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« Reply #340 on: December 30, 2012, 02:59:25 pm »
The point shouldn't be about Fannings persona. It should be about the words he write. Not the words he has written before, but the ones he has written right now. It doesn't matter who writes something - if it's poor, it's poor. If someone unknown wrote that article, we would ignore it.

And if Fanning doesn't write something unless knowing something, then he should show that in his writing - because, regardless of the man, the text screams of ignorance. If he knows something, he hasn't put it into that article.
You're right. He has been spot on before. Now people have no interest in listening to it so he is a 'an agenda driven apologist writing polemics not to support rafa or decry Hodgson but merely to sate his own vanity as a writer/polemicist seeking the approving nod of the "knowing" Liverpudlian'.

Amazing how that posters refuses to see the irony in that post. Suits me sir, when it suits me. Fanning has written about Liverpool for years as he is a fan and for years has been very straight. You don't like it, then tough shit, it's an opinion piece.

People think that the whole club can change and the values and fans not? It's was easy to back the manager when all was fine and dandy with the board, and you never heard from them. Fans now don't know if they can trust the board or the owners. It's very hard to trust their judgement. It's a very complicated issue. Back the manager no longer covers it lads. It's a wishful thought.

Let me very clear. I have no wish to see Brendan Rodgers sacked, or to fail. I think however he has been handed a busted flush. Shouting that others need to back him doesn't change that busted flush.

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« Reply #341 on: December 30, 2012, 03:07:26 pm »
Cheers mate. Should we put a deadline of say end July 2013?
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No probs John.

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« Reply #342 on: December 30, 2012, 03:11:59 pm »
Are some people questioning BR's position already. Im done! 
We just leave them be for a while, take a breather, let them settle, then bang!  All over them like a tramp on chips.

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« Reply #343 on: December 30, 2012, 03:24:30 pm »
Cheers mate. Should we put a deadline of say end July 2013?
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« Reply #344 on: December 30, 2012, 03:30:43 pm »
Last time a Liverpool manager was absent from a game was more serious than a Christmas cold... Are we fuckin soft or what? What's going on...
It's not just him though. Jones and Glen Driscoll have been sent home as well. Pretty standard way of avoiding the whole team getting ill when a virus is spreading. You can't really list a bullet proof immune system as a demand for our manager.

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« Reply #345 on: December 30, 2012, 03:32:59 pm »
It's not just him though. Jones and Glen Driscoll have been sent home as well. Pretty standard way of avoiding the whole team getting ill when a virus is spreading. You can't really list a bullet proof immune system as a demand for our manager.
I never remember it happening before to be honest. Hope the lads put in a performance for him.
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« Reply #346 on: December 30, 2012, 03:33:14 pm »
You're right. He has been spot on before. Now people have no interest in listening to it so he is a 'an agenda driven apologist writing polemics not to support rafa or decry Hodgson but merely to sate his own vanity as a writer/polemicist seeking the approving nod of the "knowing" Liverpudlian'.

Amazing how that posters refuses to see the irony in that post. Suits me sir, when it suits me. Fanning has written about Liverpool for years as he is a fan and for years has been very straight. You don't like it, then tough shit, it's an opinion piece.

People think that the whole club can change and the values and fans not? It's was easy to back the manager when all was fine and dandy with the board, and you never heard from them. Fans now don't know if they can trust the board or the owners. It's very hard to trust their judgement. It's a very complicated issue. Back the manager no longer covers it lads. It's a wishful thought.

Let me very clear. I have no wish to see Brendan Rodgers sacked, or to fail. I think however he has been handed a busted flush. Shouting that others need to back him doesn't change that busted flush.



Haha.  Talk about missing the point.

I totally echo Evans' view on Fannings piece.  As I have argued above.  There is no substance to it and his logic is all over the place right from the off.  I don't disagree with Evans' way of reading things, ignore the author check out the writing.  I did that I found the writing to be utterly without basis.  I then took what I know about Fanning and the change in the articles he wrote on LFC pre and post Rafa to infer that the baseless conclusions he is jumping to in his latest article is symptomatic of his recent writing and stems not from facts leading to a conclusion but from spin constructed around a pre-held belief.

You are so sure he knows something as a result of that article.  What do you think he knows?
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« Reply #347 on: December 30, 2012, 03:41:30 pm »
Haha.  Talk about missing the point.

I totally echo Evans' view on Fannings piece.  As I have argued above.  There is no substance to it and his logic is all over the place right from the off.  I don't disagree with Evans' way of reading things, ignore the author check out the writing.  I did that I found the writing to be utterly without basis.  I then took what I know about Fanning and the change in the articles he wrote on LFC pre and post Rafa to infer that the baseless conclusions he is jumping to in his latest article is symptomatic of his recent writing and stems not from facts leading to a conclusion but from spin constructed around a pre-held belief.

You are so sure he knows something as a result of that article.  What do you think he knows?
I have yet to come across anyone in like that doesn't use past experience to help manage current situations. That's what people do in life lad.

I don't know what he knows, or if he knows anything. My experience with him is that he rarely if ever writes tripe, or stuff based on what he assumes. That's all I can go on.

Not claiming he is right or wrong. It's a worry for me because he tends to be a true journalist, from a hugely respected family of similar identity. As I said in an earlier post, I would be serious disappointed if it turns out he was just surmising, or using the piece to hack. Reread the piece without the 'back the manager' song running through you're head and you will see it's a thinly veiled attack on our owners. Rodgers is just used as an example.

He was the one to claim we would all look back at the Rafa years ect ect. As I said the guy has his finger on the pulse, and it's a worry to see him go after the owners like he has.
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« Reply #348 on: December 30, 2012, 03:48:09 pm »
This shallow piece doesn´t make any sense at all at this stage though.

Saying Rodgers has been a failure so far is just wrong considering the circumstances and he looks like looking for some cheap scoring here. Wonder who he is trying to impress, still way too much politics going on at our club...
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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #349 on: December 30, 2012, 03:48:25 pm »
I never remember it happening before to be honest. Hope the lads put in a performance for him.

The current outbreak of the norovirus in the UK is unprecedented. It's highly contagious, so putting a firewall in place protects the rest of the squad - although it may already be too late.

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« Reply #350 on: December 30, 2012, 03:51:27 pm »
Haha.  Talk about missing the point.

I totally echo Evans' view on Fannings piece.  As I have argued above.  There is no substance to it and his logic is all over the place right from the off.  I don't disagree with Evans' way of reading things, ignore the author check out the writing.  I did that I found the writing to be utterly without basis.  I then took what I know about Fanning and the change in the articles he wrote on LFC pre and post Rafa to infer that the baseless conclusions he is jumping to in his latest article is symptomatic of his recent writing and stems not from facts leading to a conclusion but from spin constructed around a pre-held belief.

You are so sure he knows something as a result of that article.  What do you think he knows?
Thank you. I was gonna reply to that post, but I think you covered it. I'm also quite curious about what people think Fanning knows.

Our current predicament isn't normal though, it's not the best we can muster. Rodgers has to start winning games, with the players at his disposal, it's his job. He wasn't brought in, just so he can start winning games, when he has his dream team. He was brought in to build, but results are expected, whether we like it or not, he has to start delivering some results. Seriously, our best result this season, is a win away to West Ham, that's not normal, that is quite simply not good enough, and to pretend it is, is ludicrous, to me at least.

Problem with people thinking like this is that they still believe we're the side we were five years ago. We're not. We've had chaos from the owners, and chaos from switching managers. We've been mid-table for a couple of years. Then we get a new manager, and we're still mid table after the first half of the season. How is that not normal?

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« Reply #351 on: December 30, 2012, 03:55:11 pm »
I don't know what he knows, or if he knows anything. My experience with him is that he rarely if ever writes tripe, or stuff based on what he assumes. That's all I can go on.

Not claiming he is right or wrong. It's a worry for me because he tends to be a true journalist, from a hugely respected family of similar identity.
Here's the problem. If he "knows something", he should write that. Because his arguments in the text doesn't support his conclusion - therefore the text is wrong, logically speaking. If his conclusion is based on something other than what he writes, the article in itself is just as wrong, and that's what we're discussing.

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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #352 on: December 30, 2012, 03:57:27 pm »
Most of Fanning's articles are a joke. That guy has such an agenda its unreal.

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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #353 on: December 30, 2012, 03:57:36 pm »
I have yet to come across anyone in like that doesn't use past experience to help manage current situations. That's what people do in life lad.

I don't know what he knows, or if he knows anything. My experience with him is that he rarely if ever writes tripe, or stuff based on what he assumes. That's all I can go on.

Not claiming he is right or wrong. It's a worry for me because he tends to be a true journalist, from a hugely respected family of similar identity. As I said in an earlier post, I would be serious disappointed if it turns out he was just surmising, or using the piece to hack. Reread the piece without the 'back the manager' song running through you're head and you will see it's a thinly veiled attack on our owners. Rodgers is just used as an example.

He was the one to claim we would all look back at the Rafa years ect ect. As I said the guy has his finger on the pulse, and it's a worry to see him go after the owners like he has.

Thats bollocks mate. Some points pulled out of the article -


"Some within the club were said to have questioned the wisdom of paying £15m for Joe Allen which looks like a very good question."

"Henry and FSG bought into Rodgers' pitch last summer, even if right now it seems like merely a spiel rather than the initial declaration of an outstanding manager."

"Perhaps the plan to make this a season of transition has made Rodgers sound as he does at Liverpool. The club needed a salesman and they got one. For whatever reason, Rodgers appears to have no noticeable competitive instinct. If he has, it has been very well disguised."

"Liverpool have played some nice football this season but the philosophy which has gained most ground at Anfield is a philosophy of losing."

"Rodgers sounds less and less convincing. He is the Aaron Sorkin of football, a man who promotes beautiful notions that have no connection to the real world with a relentless zeal. Usually by the 23rd episode of one of Sorkin's shows, some of us are feeling nauseous and repressing feelings of irrational hatred towards the impossibly virtuous characters."

"Rodgers promotes a style of football that is over-burdened with virtue but lacks knowledge of how the world works."

"FSG will give him time because they have no option – they are giving themselves time too. Time might help Brendan Rodgers, but, it would help him most of all if he used it to become a different type of manager. Unless Rodgers changes, time won't change anything."


They are all personal attacks on Rodgers.


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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #354 on: December 30, 2012, 04:05:11 pm »
Thats bollocks mate. Some points pulled out of the article -


"Some within the club were said to have questioned the wisdom of paying £15m for Joe Allen which looks like a very good question."

"Henry and FSG bought into Rodgers' pitch last summer, even if right now it seems like merely a spiel rather than the initial declaration of an outstanding manager."

"Perhaps the plan to make this a season of transition has made Rodgers sound as he does at Liverpool. The club needed a salesman and they got one. For whatever reason, Rodgers appears to have no noticeable competitive instinct. If he has, it has been very well disguised."

"Liverpool have played some nice football this season but the philosophy which has gained most ground at Anfield is a philosophy of losing."

"Rodgers sounds less and less convincing. He is the Aaron Sorkin of football, a man who promotes beautiful notions that have no connection to the real world with a relentless zeal. Usually by the 23rd episode of one of Sorkin's shows, some of us are feeling nauseous and repressing feelings of irrational hatred towards the impossibly virtuous characters."

"Rodgers promotes a style of football that is over-burdened with virtue but lacks knowledge of how the world works."

"FSG will give him time because they have no option – they are giving themselves time too. Time might help Brendan Rodgers, but, it would help him most of all if he used it to become a different type of manager. Unless Rodgers changes, time won't change anything."


They are all personal attacks on Rodgers.


I'm watching the match so no real time to go over,

look at his opening idea, that giving Rodgers time is giving them time, and if Rodgers fails then it shows up Fsg's failure. The rest of the piece calls out Fsg on their claims. For example been taken in by Rodgers Speil or overpaying for Allen, a Rodgers players, when they claimed they were being smarter with their buys.

He doesn't rate the owners and points that Rodgers is an example of why.
Why are you looking past this season?

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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #355 on: December 30, 2012, 04:08:42 pm »
Problem with people thinking like this is that they still believe we're the side we were five years ago. We're not. We've had chaos from the owners, and chaos from switching managers. We've been mid-table for a couple of years. Then we get a new manager, and we're still mid table after the first half of the season. How is that not normal?

No, we're not the side we were five years ago, but we're also not the side that we've been showing this season. Anyone thinking this is it, this is optimum Liverpool Football Club 2012, is kidding themselves.


Again, I'm not saying anything I don't think Brendan will be thinking. I very much doubt Brendan is sat with his feet up, smiling to himself thinking "Fuck me, this is going great, I think I'll have a glass of wine". Sure he'll be happy with certain things, but overall, results wise, I think he'll be knowing they've not been up to scratch.

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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #356 on: December 30, 2012, 04:56:24 pm »
He doesn't rate the owners and points that Rodgers is an example of why.

Yep, that is fucking clear and same goes for you.  However there is no substance to anything other than the moronic premature judgement on a young manager after only 19 league games.
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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #357 on: December 30, 2012, 05:00:52 pm »
Brendan who?


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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #358 on: December 30, 2012, 05:51:27 pm »
That Dion fanning article is rather disjointed. he can be a very hit and miss writer, but in fairness to him his heart is usually in the right place. but aside from large sections lifted from the observer, he is essentially the football section of the the entire sunday independent so his output can be a bit variable. The editor who appointed him to the job was his father, and his current editor is his stepmother so he's not exactly operating under the greatest amount of editorial supervision in the world. Whatever you might think about that article, it is still the best article in the whole shitheap of a paper.

While holding with a lot of the very good points made in response to the article, I reckon that it should be pointed out that the aaron sorkin point is something that seems to be gaining a lot of traction on this side of the irish sea. I'm not sure if it's a cultural thing, but BR's Relentless optimism and tendency to reach for superlatives perhaps slightly too often, can seem a bit grating at times to a lot of green red ears. Then again this is a country drowning in negativity, rage and thwarted expectation. But that's a minor quibble, and not something to really hang an article on. it's something that needs a little tweaking, not for BR to become a new kind of manager.

I'm also unsure how DF makes such a strong link between the future of BR and FSG. FSG's aim is to build the clubs turnover up to 300 million, through commercial income, the new tv deal, and expanding anfield, while getting the wagebill under control so whoever is the manager will have substantial funds to spend, regardless of whether or not we are in the CL. This is happening on a different timescale to what is happening on the pitch, so I don't know how you can link the two?

I think it comes back to the sort of volatility inherrent in our position, and the current status of our club. We're neither as bad as the first five games of the season made us look, (2 points) or quite as good as the next 11 (20 points) And neither are we as bad as the villa and stoke performances, nor as good as the fulham performance or the one today, we're somewhere in the middle. We are trying to do so many things at the same time, and trying to rebuild the club in so many different ways  that we are going to have good days and bad days. The thing is that we stabilized, and the good days are becoming more frequent, but not often enough to justify talk of second, but also the bad days are nowhere near as common as the critics would have you believe and hopefully will become rarer. 

And in the mean time, we need to get behind the manager. Lets stop all this second guessing over whether BR wants sturridge now, or whether he didn't want him in the summer, lets just get him in and see how he does, and see what he can add. All of this second guessing is just wasted time, energy and emotion.

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Re: Focusing on Supporting Our Manager
« Reply #359 on: December 30, 2012, 05:56:21 pm »
Brendan who?


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