Author Topic: That's it, we've had it with the (insert stand name here) (Read 58050 times)

God's Left Peg · « **Reply #240 on:** October 10, 2012, 09:16:32 pm »

Quote from: geoffstrong on October 10, 2012, 08:44:28 pm

I think this is a great point some go to Anfield just in the same way as booking a West end show in London, they go for the experience of just being there rather than knowing what their job is.

Unfortunately this misconception is endorsed by the prices of the tickets. Scandalous.

jamieredders · « **Reply #241 on:** October 10, 2012, 09:24:30 pm »

Quote from: bornandbRED on October 10, 2012, 09:07:19 pm

Make that £45.

Aha just checked. My apologies. That is for a top notch game though. £17 for a European night in a nice red seat ain't so bad. My £3 was for standing up and seeing next to nothing of the action, stood in a sea of piss. They were the days.

Fromola · « **Reply #242 on:** October 10, 2012, 10:11:12 pm »

Quote from: sowellred on October 9, 2012, 10:45:12 am

Geeeez, its as if its impossible to get an atmosphere going!

Absolute rubbish. I take my family to 4 or 5 games per year in the upper Anfield road end. The atmosphere reflects the performance - simple. When I took the family to the game when we beat Man U 3:1 (Kuyt hat-trick) it was electric. Same, the year before when we beat Chelsea (Torres x 2). The fact is that we havnt performed consistently well since the year before Rafa's last - seems as though the fans are waiting for a catalyst to spark the atmosphere when playing 'lesser' teams and sometimes it just doesnt happen.

The performances are coming - and so will the atmosphere. How quick the 2005 semi atmosphere has been forgotten.

The atmosphere was shite that year. A good home crowd could have turned some of those draws into wins, rather than sitting in silence and getting impatient before booing the team off the pitch after going top.

The whole ground needs putting out of its misery.

The 5th Benitle · « **Reply #243 on:** October 10, 2012, 11:36:00 pm »

Quote from: sowellred on October 9, 2012, 10:45:12 am

The atmosphere reflects the performance - simple. When I took the family to the game when we beat Man U 3:1 (Kuyt hat-trick) it was electric. Same, the year before when we beat Chelsea (Torres x 2). The fact is that we havnt performed consistently well since the year before Rafa's last - seems as though the fans are waiting for a catalyst to spark the atmosphere when playing 'lesser' teams and sometimes it just doesnt happen.

Another who's got it backwards.
The supporters should be boosting the players, not the other way around.

Shelvey33 · « **Reply #244 on:** October 10, 2012, 11:43:54 pm »

sometimes theres a better atmosphere in the pub

john_mac · « **Reply #245 on:** October 10, 2012, 11:48:06 pm »

Quote from: Shelvey33 on October 10, 2012, 11:43:54 pm

sometimes theres a better atmosphere in the pub

But that's usually about midnight after the 20th cider

john_mac · « **Reply #246 on:** October 10, 2012, 11:56:15 pm »

Quote from: The 5th Benitle on October 10, 2012, 08:09:51 pm

It's still the wrong way round though. The fans should be spurring the players on, not the other way around.

& there's plenty of examples of it, Auxerre, Olympiakos, St Ettiene, Chelsea, Juve, the list is as long as your arm but one thing all the great Anfield days and nights have in common is that the atmosphere inspired the players on. I can't think of any of the great days and nights over the past thirty five years where the atmosphere was transformed by the game but plenty were the opposite is true.

There's no getting away from the fact that the atmosphere against mid-table teams for league games is shite.

horne · « **Reply #247 on:** October 11, 2012, 04:03:18 am »

Quote from: john_mac on October 10, 2012, 11:56:15 pm

& there's plenty of examples of it, Auxerre, Olympiakos, St Ettiene, Chelsea, Juve, the list is as long as your arm but one thing all the great Anfield days and nights have in common is that the atmosphere inspired the players on. I can't think of any of the great days and nights over the past thirty five years where the atmosphere was transformed by the game but plenty were the opposite is true.

There's no getting away from the fact that the atmosphere against mid-table teams for league games is shite.

a while back on here someone said we cant get up for all the games?...that malaise is the problem...why the fuck not?...we can and we should ...we need to!

horne · « **Reply #248 on:** October 11, 2012, 04:05:01 am »

the chicken or the egg?...we want both

Always_A_Red · « **Reply #249 on:** October 11, 2012, 10:05:21 am »

The mentality of the general fan needs to change. Other clubs have proven even with seated stadiums that they can create consistant atmosphere, its just that they have the mindset that when they go to the game to sing, shout, bounce and generally have a good time. Take a look at this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGm2oS0ulJs&feature=related

You look around that crowd, and there are young fans, teenagers, older fans etc, all joining in. Its like they know its their responsibility to sing....to create that atmosphere to push their team on.

I stand in 305 every game and I look down (and please dont call me a superfan as that shit is old) and i see half the KOP sitting down not arsed. what are you sat on the KOP for??! I appreciate there are people who will read that and take offense but its no suprise that the majority of people in and around the 100's and 200's are STH's who have been to the game for 20-30 years and have just lost that spark to get involved in the singing every single game.

Like people have admitted in this thread, those people no longer feel it is there duty to sing or to get the song started as they have done it for the past 20 years....thats all well and good, but it is that reason that the KOP is now dead! No youngsters and groups of lads can get tickets in groups on the KOP as they are already taken by people who admit that they no longer want to or feel it their duty to sing. Its just wrong.

Those people will say 'I deserve the right to sit here as i have done for 20 years bla bla bla' and i get that, but at the end of the day, its a fucking privilage to stand on that terrace and you have a duty to keep the traditions of what that stand represents.

Mindsets need to change.....

Durlmints · « **Reply #250 on:** October 11, 2012, 10:26:28 am »

Genuine question, why can't the club experiment with "Singing Sections?"

The 5th Benitle · « **Reply #251 on:** October 11, 2012, 10:28:20 am »

They have in the recent past mate. Fan-led initiative mind.

Durlmints · « **Reply #252 on:** October 11, 2012, 10:34:15 am »

Quote from: The 5th Benitle on October 11, 2012, 10:28:20 am

They have in the recent past mate. Fan-led initiative mind.

Ah I wasn't aware! Cheers mate, just saw a petition on the matter that says it was tried out in 2007? As far as I can remember the atmosphere was better then than it was now.

LondonRedMan · « **Reply #253 on:** October 11, 2012, 10:36:44 am »

Quote from: The 5th Benitle on October 10, 2012, 11:36:00 pm

Another who's got it backwards.
The supporters should be boosting the players, not the other way around.

Yes I agree with this. Supporters all too often await for a spark from the field before springing into action.

Turkish and German fans are in their stadia making noise from the word go - they arent waiting for a goal or a flash point. Maybe with the more sanitised premier league, English football is losing the passion of the crowd

LondonRedMan · « **Reply #254 on:** October 11, 2012, 10:37:37 am »

Quote from: horne on October 11, 2012, 04:05:01 am

the chicken or the egg?...we want both

Yes, this is true:)

nickyd186 · « **Reply #255 on:** October 11, 2012, 11:11:53 am »

Quote from: Always_A_Red on October 11, 2012, 10:05:21 am

The mentality of the general fan needs to change. Other clubs have proven even with seated stadiums that they can create consistant atmosphere, its just that they have the mindset that when they go to the game to sing, shout, bounce and generally have a good time. Take a look at this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGm2oS0ulJs&feature=related

You look around that crowd, and there are young fans, teenagers, older fans etc, all joining in. Its like they know its their responsibility to sing....to create that atmosphere to push their team on.

I stand in 305 every game and I look down (and please dont call me a superfan as that shit is old) and i see half the KOP sitting down not arsed. what are you sat on the KOP for??! I appreciate there are people who will read that and take offense but its no suprise that the majority of people in and around the 100's and 200's are STH's who have been to the game for 20-30 years and have just lost that spark to get involved in the singing every single game.

Like people have admitted in this thread, those people no longer feel it is there duty to sing or to get the song started as they have done it for the past 20 years....thats all well and good, but it is that reason that the KOP is now dead! No youngsters and groups of lads can get tickets in groups on the KOP as they are already taken by people who admit that they no longer want to or feel it their duty to sing. Its just wrong.

Those people will say 'I deserve the right to sit here as i have done for 20 years bla bla bla' and i get that, but at the end of the day, its a fucking privilage to stand on that terrace and you have a duty to keep the traditions of what that stand represents.

Mindsets need to change.....

Great post and hit the nail on the head about the st holders towards the front. In past few years I've sat down there for games against mid table teams and when joining in with the singing you get looked at like a piece of shit as your interrupting them having a moan to each other about the game Or things at home. Also myself like a load of lads on rawk have finally got a ST over the last few years with the new issue of them where we're only given the option of paddock or centenary to be seated. Who would of normally got tickets for the KOP and sung.

Fromola · « **Reply #256 on:** October 11, 2012, 11:14:50 am »

Quote from: horne on October 11, 2012, 04:03:18 am

a while back on here someone said we cant get up for all the games?...that malaise is the problem...why the fuck not?...we can and we should ...we need to!

Most of the season ticket holders have had a season ticket in their seat since the stands were built. So in the Kop, the heart of the ground, that's 18 years. So fellas in their 20s in 1994 are now middle aged. Fellas who were middle aged in 1994 are now in their 60s. It's the youngsters who create much of the atmosphere and they're not on the Kop, and aren't really in the ground at all.

Because all these fellas have had the same seat they're complacent. If you reserved two middle blocks on the Kop; one for youngsters at the front and also sold, say, 500-1000 tickets on a first-come-first-served basis in the block behind then the atmosphere would improve at a stroke. But as it is the average age of the Kop just gets a year older every year, leaving the atmosphere to get that bit worse.

The biggest issue at Anfield is people are on the Kop who shouldn't be because they're there for the wrong reasons. And I mean season ticket holders.

Only Me · « **Reply #257 on:** October 11, 2012, 11:23:52 am »

Quote from: john_mac on October 10, 2012, 11:56:15 pm

& there's plenty of examples of it, Auxerre, Olympiakos, St Ettiene, Chelsea, Juve, the list is as long as your arm but one thing all the great Anfield days and nights have in common is that the atmosphere inspired the players on. I can't think of any of the great days and nights over the past thirty five years where the atmosphere was transformed by the game but plenty were the opposite is true.

There's no getting away from the fact that the atmosphere against mid-table teams for league games is shite.

Correct mate.

We are just a brand now, with people choosing us like they choose their favourite cereal. Ground is full of customers now, not fans, its a real shame.

Its not just over here - when we beat Real at their place in 2009, the night before the game we went to watch Athleti play Porto.

What struck me was the difference in the feel of the 2 grounds. The Bernabeu was beautiful, magnificent, and much larger and more modern than the relative shithole that was the Calderon.

Atmosphere wise though there was no fucking contest. At Real there was loads of "customer" types doing nothing but moan [we were in a section with the Home fans] but at the Calderon they were way more into it - it was louder, more colourful, more passionate, and just a better experience.

I shit you not, next to us was an arl girl knitting a big fuck off blanket - she must have been doing it since about 1982 judging by the pace she was going and the size of the thing. At half time, she folded it up, and from under it produced a litre bottle of rum, a bottle of vodka and the biggest bag of butties you've ever seen. Must have been a regular thing, because no-one batted an eyelid, a big mob of them just shared out the food and the ale, and laughed at our incredulity. Not a foam hand in sight, and fuck the "game day revenue".

We're like Madrid - just another Brand bandwagon. Sad but true.

john_mac · « **Reply #258 on:** October 11, 2012, 12:22:54 pm »

There has to be some acceptance that the audience has changed, massively at Anfield, its a middle aged, often relatively wealthy crowd that bears no resemblence to the one many of us grew up with. It is drawn from all over the country and further afield and locals, especially younger locals have become less and less prevalent.

Think about the mobs we took to aways in the 70s, look at the ages of the victims at Hillsborough and then look at todays sanitised Anfield, full of 40 odds, from every walk of life. Think about the unemployed Merseysiders of te 80s, safe in the knowledge that the one thing that they had over the rest of the country which of despised and ridiculed them, was football.

You can only speak generally about these things but the crowd is so different from the one which made us, the make up of a typical Anfield crowd on a Saturday is massively different than the one that say went to Istanbul only a few years ago or even Dortmund, Rome & Barcelona in 2001. Look at the difference in the crowd on a Saturday afternoon and compare it to that of early round mid-week cup game, especially one where they make it a fiver for kids and the place is chocka with young locals.

Complacency, age & money are the biggest things to sabotage the atmosphere at Anfield. Unless the club do something to get young, local and interested kids into the ground it will inevitably die a slow, painful death.

meady1981 · « **Reply #259 on:** October 11, 2012, 01:04:10 pm »

Quote from: john_mac on October 11, 2012, 12:22:54 pm

get young, local and interested kids into the ground.

I agree with everything you've said john. I'm interested to know if the owners know about these issues regarding these young local fans, if they care about this and what can be done to make sure that this is looked at? Or should I just tweet Jen Chang.

stevo7 · « **Reply #260 on:** October 11, 2012, 01:51:24 pm »

All though people have given examples of a good atmosphere in the past 12 years - people stood during those games.

I was on the Kop v Udinese and was well fucked off having to sit down when we are 3-1 down trying to generate some noise & encourage the lads back into the game.

Until theres safe standing in the 200 & 300 blocks on the Kop the atmosphere I cant see anything improving.
Anyone who wants to sit on the Kop can sit in the 100's.

Also they should trial certain blocks as discounted for 12-17 years for league games so it's affordable to young lads. I cant see why they cant trial it for the 300, 202 & 208 for all 'C' games - see how it goes then bring in 'B' & 'A' catgeory matches.

Always_A_Red · « **Reply #261 on:** October 11, 2012, 02:06:08 pm »

Quote from: stevo7 on October 11, 2012, 01:51:24 pm

Until theres safe standing in the 200 & 300 blocks on the Kop the atmosphere I cant see anything improving.
Anyone who wants to sit on the Kop can sit in the 100's.

Also they should trial certain blocks as discounted for 12-17 years for league games so it's affordable to young lads. I cant see why they cant trial it for the 300, 202 & 208 for all 'C' games - see how it goes then bring in 'B' & 'A' catgeory matches.

If anyone wants to sit down, they can go in another stand mate. There's another 26,000 seats in the stadium that will accomodate someone who is not happy to stand and sing and make as much noise as possible. We could have a boys pen in 208 for kids under 18 and then have the rest of the KOP as a safe standing area.

Another thing that needs to be compulsary imo is that you have to bring a scarf, banner or a flag to get in....pisses me off seeing so many people with nothing to hold up during YNWA.....too busy holding a pie or a drink. It needs to be intimidating. It needs to get back to looking iconic every week....not just once or twice a year on a big european night.

stevo7 · « **Reply #262 on:** October 11, 2012, 03:10:13 pm »

Quote from: Always_A_Red on October 11, 2012, 02:06:08 pm

If anyone wants to sit down, they can go in another stand mate. There's another 26,000 seats in the stadium that will accomodate someone who is not happy to stand and sing and make as much noise as possible. We could have a boys pen in 208 for kids under 18 and then have the rest of the KOP as a safe standing area.

I was trying to be reasonable - theres going to be Kop season ticket holders in the 200's that dont want to move & dont want to stand. Move them into the 100's is a compromise.

But its a safe bet that if the 100's was sitting & 200's was safe standing - which tickets would go first when on sale.

Always_A_Red · « **Reply #263 on:** October 11, 2012, 03:29:28 pm »

Quote from: stevo7 on October 11, 2012, 03:10:13 pm

I was trying to be reasonable - theres going to be Kop season ticket holders in the 200's that dont want to move & dont want to stand. Move them into the 100's is a compromise.

But its a safe bet that if the 100's was sitting & 200's was safe standing - which tickets would go first when on sale.

Yeah i get that you were trying to be reasonable mate however im an unreasonable twat & it wouldnt work with 2/3 of the Kop sitting and the others standing.

The same problems would occur with 2/3 wanting to get somgs going and other sitting not bothering. It either needs to be one or the other and like I said, if someone wants to sit down, there are 26,000 other seats that they can enjoy the game from.

Flaccido Dongingo · « **Reply #264 on:** October 11, 2012, 04:04:35 pm »

Just booked flights there to bring the wee fella and myself over, West Brom home in February,
haven't been in about 4 or 5 years, usually about 3 weeks before the match the tickets go on general sale isn't it?

Shouldn't be too difficult to get tickets I'd imagine.......gonna be £60 for flights, about £55 for tickets and £200 for 2 nights in the hotel, a far cry from jumping on the ferry on a Saturday morning then back that evening, all costing about £50!!!!!!

£500 for 2 days in Liverpool and a game of football is a bit on the pricey side hahaha, but it'll be worth it to see my wee boy at Anfield for the first time.

TheBazz · « **Reply #265 on:** October 11, 2012, 04:24:20 pm »

Summary of this thread:

If you dont live in Liverpool/Anfield directly, you're not a real supporter, and you dont deserve to buy tickets cause apparently youre the reason they dont sing.

/My opinion from what I read.

kkjellquist · « **Reply #266 on:** October 11, 2012, 04:32:45 pm »

Quote from: TheBazz on October 11, 2012, 04:24:20 pm

Summary of this thread:

If you dont live in Liverpool/Anfield directly, you're not a real supporter, and you dont deserve to buy tickets cause apparently youre the reason they dont sing.

/My opinion from what I read.

Pretty much...sucks too, I came from the US to support the club against Hearts and Arsenal in full voice. Unfortunately I went to the club store and bought some gear as well. Wish I had known I was hurting the club and atmosphere at Anfield...would have saved a lot of money!!

Always_A_Red · « **Reply #267 on:** October 11, 2012, 04:39:18 pm »

Quote from: TheBazz on October 11, 2012, 04:24:20 pm

Summary of this thread:

If you dont live in Liverpool/Anfield directly, you're not a real supporter, and you dont deserve to buy tickets cause apparently youre the reason they dont sing.

/My opinion from what I read.

I think we've all established this is not the case mate. Its the tens of thousands of regulars who have been going for 20 years and have lost their spark who are the real problem, not OOT's

RF · « **Reply #268 on:** October 11, 2012, 04:41:37 pm »

Lads, lads!

It'll be alright when we get the new ground or the redevelopment. Just you wait and see.

Oh hang on......

stewy17 · « **Reply #269 on:** October 11, 2012, 04:43:58 pm »

Haha, compulsory to bring a scarf banner or flag.

Leggit.

The 5th Benitle · « **Reply #270 on:** October 11, 2012, 04:45:44 pm »

Quote from: TheBazz on October 11, 2012, 04:24:20 pm

Summary of this thread:

If you dont live in Liverpool/Anfield directly, you're not a real supporter, and you dont deserve to buy tickets cause apparently youre the reason they dont sing.

/My opinion from what I read.

Haven't seen anyone say that.

leivapool · « **Reply #271 on:** October 11, 2012, 04:46:56 pm »

Quote from: gregorio on October 7, 2012, 11:01:45 pm

We can cope with the lack of singing
We can bear the away fans drowning out the Kop
We can even just about stomach half the people around us sitting down before the the end of YNWA

But today, today had my daughter begging me to pay the extra £ 25 to sit on the Kop
Every time the Stoke fans struck up one of their 'hilarious' songs about one of our players the woman in front of us had a good old chuckle and nudged the girl next to her. At one point she even joined in with them. This woman was wearing a Liverpool scarf. At half time my 11 yr old politely suggested that she might like to join the away supporters. Sadly this was not taken up.

Mods, feel free to move, rant over

Completely agree, and we do pay the extra not to have to sit in the Upper Anny. I've gotten so dispondent that the future of our club are made to sit in a corner in shit seats where all they can hear is the away fans that I've gotten the fans representatives involved, those that sit on the committee who liaise with the club over fans issues. How can we expect the kids to learn the songs and sing when they can't even hear the Kop over the din made by the away fans?

email addresses I used and got replies from:

Family-Supporters@liverpoolfcsc.com

Female-Fans@liverpoolfcsc.com

Don't just moan people, do something, email those who are here to help resolve issues such as these

kkjellquist · « **Reply #272 on:** October 11, 2012, 04:56:24 pm »

I just assumed the club wanted families above the away supporters to reduce the chance of items being thrown from above.

leivapool · « **Reply #273 on:** October 11, 2012, 05:08:14 pm »

Quote from: kkjellquist on October 11, 2012, 04:56:24 pm

I just assumed the club wanted families above the away supporters to reduce the chance of items being thrown from above.

Well give the away fans the upper Anny then. The kids should be near the Kop, somewhere they can absorb the atmosphere, the songs, the things that make going the match special. Not sat in seats with a shit view, listening to away fans singing abuse and worse at us.

kkjellquist · « **Reply #274 on:** October 11, 2012, 05:10:41 pm »

Quote from: leivapool on October 11, 2012, 05:08:14 pm

Well give the away fans the upper Anny then. The kids should be near the Kop, somewhere they can absorb the atmosphere, the songs, the things that make going the match special. Not sat in sits with a shit view, listening to away fans singing abuse and worse at us.

agree 100%

Seebab · « **Reply #275 on:** October 11, 2012, 05:17:12 pm »

Quote from: TheBazz on October 11, 2012, 04:24:20 pm

Summary of this thread:

If you dont live in Liverpool/Anfield directly, you're not a real supporter, and you dont deserve to buy tickets cause apparently youre the reason they dont sing.

/My opinion from what I read.

Of course not. If you've actually bothered to read this page, you will see that no one mentions anything about foreigners/OOTers.

Jrkopite · « **Reply #276 on:** October 11, 2012, 05:36:43 pm »

Quote from: TheBazz on October 11, 2012, 04:24:20 pm

Summary of this thread:

If you dont live in Liverpool/Anfield directly, you're not a real supporter, and you dont deserve to buy tickets cause apparently youre the reason they dont sing.

/My opinion from what I read.

I think you've got that wrong mate. There's obviously gonna be some locals who don't like or want OOTErs at Anfield but I reckon most are fine with it. I've been coming up from London since 76 and apart from the odd loon I've always found it a welcoming place. Back then I think us OOTers were looked on with amusement and bafflement though!
It's all about respecting the club and city's traditions. I mean, foam hands, "Oo are ya?",reading the S•n? .
The support from the stands has definitely waned but there are so many different reasons for that.
I think the nouveau fan who treats going to the match the same as they would going to,say the theatre, is what most people are against. You know, " I paid a lot for this, now entertain me!"
As others have said, we have to get the young local kids in the ground,that's the real solution.

AJL · « **Reply #277 on:** October 11, 2012, 06:00:11 pm »

Just got ours today for the Swansea game, usual order of 3 adults and 3 kids. Given that it works out at £105 in the Upper Annie and £114 on the Kop and given the fact that my 6 year old even thought the atmosphere up in the UA has been shit this season (not his exact words) we've bought the Kop tickets.

My kids understand the passion needed and have not only experienced it but also added to it at many aways, as well as the home games where there has been an atmosphere.

I agree with most of what has been written here and also agree with the fact that next generation NEED to be involved NOW because they're going to be going forward with the club when we all get too old, if that costs me an extra £9 then so be it.

**Glenn** · « **Reply #278 on:** October 11, 2012, 06:18:50 pm »

People listen to the stewards too much, when they're on their 'sit down' patrol 3 minutes into the game. Does my head in.

leivapool · « **Reply #279 on:** October 11, 2012, 06:23:01 pm »

Quote from: AJL on October 11, 2012, 06:00:11 pm

Just got ours today for the Swansea game, usual order of 3 adults and 3 kids. Given that it works out at £105 in the Upper Annie and £114 on the Kop and given the fact that my 6 year old even thought the atmosphere up in the UA has been shit this season (not his exact words) we've bought the Kop tickets.

My kids understand the passion needed and have not only experienced it but also added to it at many aways, as well as the home games where there has been an atmosphere.

I agree with most of what has been written here and also agree with the fact that next generation NEED to be involved NOW because they're going to be going forward with the club when we all get too old, if that costs me an extra £9 then so be it.

My sentiments entirely. I added the email addresses a few posts up. Maybe if we all start an eamail campaign they would consiider moving the kids section.