Topic: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield

[Peter McGurk]

Yeah but the only ones being demolished which you could argue are due to the expansion or the odd side of Lothair Rd. That's it.

Pushing for the new stadium would of seen a massive demo job on the current stadium and lots of nice new land handed over to the council for development.

Under Warren Bradley, 1700 houses were due for clearance in Anfield alone (around the ground). Not particularly his fault - just the way the government funded and structured the housing renewal schemes.

Joe Anderson has to work without any such funding and prefers rehabilitation to demolition and that number has fallen dramatically. The reason is cost.

Only those that cannot be saved because they are too expensive to save are going to go (and that includes in Lothair Road).

[KiNki]

on the plus side its good to see them investing in new flooring at the entrance way by turnstiles b.  Non slip.  Not the whole floor mind.  Jist the bit where it sloaps down abit.  bravo fsg and health and safety. 

cheapskates.

[Peter McGurk]

on the plus side its good to see them investing in new flooring at the entrance way by turnstiles b.  Non slip.  Not the whole floor mind.  Jist the bit where it sloaps down abit.  bravo fsg and health and safety. 

cheapskates.

Yeah, it would have been much better to lay Carrera marble throughout. That would make the team play better.

[KiNki]

Yeah, it would have been much better to lay Carrera marble throughout. That would make the team play better.

marble is slippy.  Sorry to intrude on your thread. 

[Peter McGurk]

marble is slippy.  Sorry to intrude on your thread.

FSG haven't skimped on the club nor are they about to throw money around on a stadium just to make anyone feel better.

[KiNki]

Not so, they clearly threw alittle bit of money around to make the people entering via gate b  feel 'better'. First of all on some rugs when the weather gets icy/dicey.  Now a new patch of flooring.  Just not the whole floor.   

I retract my view.  Generous in the extreme.   

As you were.

[Eeyore]

Under Warren Bradley, 1700 houses were due for clearance in Anfield alone (around the ground). Not particularly his fault - just the way the government funded and structured the housing renewal schemes.

Joe Anderson has to work without any such funding and prefers rehabilitation to demolition and that number has fallen dramatically. The reason is cost.

Only those that cannot be saved because they are too expensive to save are going to go (and that includes in Lothair Road).

Not Really true mate.

From the man himself.

http://www.joeforliverpool.com/policies/housing.asp

“I believe in a Liverpool where everyone has the opportunity to live in pleasant affordable home in a thriving and attractive neighbourhood .”

We will build 5,000 new homes in Liverpool during the next four years.

Getting families into secure, affordable and high quality housing will be a key priority of mine over the next four years.

I have already set in train plans to build 2,500 new homes in the city.

As Mayor, I would build a further 2,500 new homes for local families

The construction of new homes on brownfield sites will target dereliction in our city, including 500 new homes at Stonebridge Cross
The construction of these homes will create 17,000 local jobs in the construction sector and related supply chain.

Families should no longer be forced to live in substandard properties. More than 1,500 new homes will be built in some of the most deprived areas of the city, where demand outstrips supply.

My vision is not just to build homes but also to repair derelict homes and bring them back into use. I have refurbished more homes than have been demolished in the past two years, and I will refurbish 1,000 more.

I will also put Ł3m into a scheme to provide mortgage deposits for first time buyers

Together, these policies mean hundreds of families with a wide range of income levels can finally find a home they can afford.



The man himself has categorically stated he will build 2500 houses and refurb 1000. Although given the lack of funding he may well follow FSG's lead and give everyone a new none slip doormat and a rug and call it a refurbishment.

[Rox]

The man himself has categorically stated he will build 2500 houses and refurb 1000. Although given the lack of funding he may well follow FSG's lead and give everyone a new none slip doormat and a rug and call it a refurbishment.

Mind you, you're quoting and taking a politician at his word....

[Eeyore]

Mind you, you're quoting and taking a politician at his word....

The problem is when you see Ayre and Mayor Joe joining forces it is pretty hard to spot the politician.

[Rox]

The problem is when you see Ayre and Mayor Joe joining forces it is pretty hard to spot the politician.

I'd have thought it was twice as easy...

[Eeyore]

I'd have thought it was twice as easy...

 

[Nessy76]

Mind you, you're quoting and taking a politician at his word....

To be fair to big Joe, I think he'd love to do all that. Whether it's realistic is another matter.

[Peter McGurk]

Not Really true mate...

...The construction of new homes on brownfield sites will...

...The man himself has categorically stated he will build 2500 houses and refurb 1000. Although given the lack of funding he may well follow FSG's lead and give everyone a new none slip doormat and a rug and call it a refurbishment.

So the numbers of houses to be demolished has fallen dramatically, which is what I said.

The numbers of new build will still not be easy. You’ll have seen that at least one scheme for 1500 houses has fallen through for want of pukka finances from the private sector.

Still, no signs of doormats-only just yet. Only well-intentioned people doing the best they can in very difficult circumstances. But we don't recognise honest effort when we see it.

[owens_2k]

Just seen a news bulletin about the new Allianz Park stadium and how they will be charging for WIFI, downloadable content, apps etc. Surely this is something we could incorporate into Anfield now???

[Peter McGurk]

Just seen a news bulletin about the new Allianz Park stadium and how they will be charging for WIFI, downloadable content, apps etc. Surely this is something we could incorporate into Anfield now???

Unfortunately yes...

But perhaps the most forward-thinking ideas relate to the electronic devices most of us are attached to these days. There are now "gaming hubs" at the Etihad, and something called "City Fan Cam", a high-resolution picture of the crowd that supporters can find themselves on, tag and then share on sites like Facebook and Twitter.

Both Lee and Merridew believe mobile technology will be perhaps the single biggest change to the live sports experience.
Lee says it will not be long before radio transmitters in your ticket will help you find the quietest turnstile, shortest beer queue and nearest toilet.

And Merridew says fans "will demand instant replays, better quality images and an enhanced experience of the event through their mobile devices".

"Just look at Chelsea's goal-that-never-was against Spurs in the FA Cup semi-final. I can see fans wanting to see that and discuss it with friends," he added.

The thought of thousands of fans fiddling with their phones will probably horrify supporters of an older vintage (you only tweet when you're winning?), but these "advances" are the tiled toilets and white wine of a decade ago - they are what the modern punter wants.

Good grief.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17977841

[owens_2k]

Hopefully such things would be incorporated as part of any redevelopment.

[Peter McGurk]

Hopefully such things would be incorporated as part of any redevelopment.

You may be right but God help us if you need your phone to find the nearest toilet. As my mother's mum said - you've got a tongue in your head haven't you?

Still, if you want to live in a bubble... and I thought going to the match was about being together.

[vicgill]

The problem is when you see Ayre and Mayor Joe joining forces it is pretty hard to spot the politician.

or the liar

[Rox]

You may be right but God help us if you need your phone to find the nearest toilet. As my mother's mum said - you've got a tongue in your head haven't you?

Still, if you want to live in a bubble... and I thought going to the match was about being together.

Mind you - most of us didn't need a scoreboard, and they insisted on putting one of those in.

[owens_2k]

You may be right but God help us if you need your phone to find the nearest toilet. As my mother's mum said - you've got a tongue in your head haven't you?

Still, if you want to live in a bubble... and I thought going to the match was about being together.

Only enable the WIFI at half time!

The possibilities are endless though. You could order your food/drink from your seat using your phone and get given a pickup time to go inside and collect it. Reducing waiting time maybe? Thats just one use off the top of my head.

[Peter McGurk]

Only enable the WIFI at half time!

The possibilities are endless though. You could order your food/drink from your seat using your phone and get given a pickup time to go inside and collect it. Reducing waiting time maybe? Thats just one use off the top of my head.

Yeah. Sounds great.

[Durlmints]

"Just look at Chelsea's goal-that-never-was against Spurs in the FA Cup semi-final. I can see fans wanting to see that and discuss it with friends," he added.

Orwell painted less horrific versions of the future.

When I go to football matches I turn my phone off until the final whistle. I guess I must be one of very few 'modern punters' who want to actually join in with the atmosphere and watch the match.

[JohnHobbes]

Orwell painted less horrific versions of the future.

When I go to football matches I turn my phone off until the final whistle. I guess I must be one of very few 'modern punters' who want to actually join in with the atmosphere and watch the match.

Yes, those Orwellian style futures are really too tame and lacking. Room 101 should really be of the real horrors out there, the worst of the worst... full of fans using social media to discuss results. Those insidious bar stewards. Wow, extrapolating then the true source of the horror has and always will be... RAWK. That's the true Orwellian hell - you are a genius sir, just run quickly before the mods find and eliminate you!

I'm not sure I see the problem. Half time is free for people to get food/drink, talk, socialise (online/offline) or just go to the toilet. What does it matter if some of the audience can use that time to check replays and comment on them? Sure, if they do it during the game then there is something wrong with them but otherwise, does it really matter?

[owens_2k]

Yes, those Orwellian style futures are really too tame and lacking. Room 101 should really be of the real horrors out there, the worst of the worst... full of fans using social media to discuss results. Those insidious bar stewards. Wow, extrapolating then the true source of the horror has and always will be... RAWK. That's the true Orwellian hell - you are a genius sir, just run quickly before the mods find and eliminate you!

I'm not sure I see the problem. Half time is free for people to get food/drink, talk, socialise (online/offline) or just go to the toilet. What does it matter if some of the audience can use that time to check replays and comment on them? Sure, if they do it during the game then there is something wrong with them but otherwise, does it really matter?

Exactly!

[Malaysian Kopite]

Yeah. Sounds great.

[Redric1970]

Hello, anyone got any news or gossip regarding the stadium redevelopment, it's all gone very quiet, it would be fantastic to see work commence in the summer, is that just wishfull thinking or is there a possibility.

[lfcbob]

Saw this on Twatter ... http://news-liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/item/405-photo-this-is-how-anfield-would-look-like-after-redevelopment

[Redric1970]

Saw this on Twatter ... http://news-liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/item/405-photo-this-is-how-anfield-would-look-like-after-redevelopment

Thanks bob, I am pretty sure that's quite an old pic, it just seems like in one way or another we have been talking about redevelopment or new stadium for years, I'm very happy with redevelopment but would love to see some actual action rather than a little talk or complete silence from the club. It would be nice to see some movement, maybe a picture fom the club about the designs they are looking at.

[CraigDS]

Thanks bob, I am pretty sure that's quite an old pic, it just seems like in one way or another we have been talking about redevelopment or new stadium for years, I'm very happy with redevelopment but would love to see some actual action rather than a little talk or complete silence from the club. It would be nice to see some movement, maybe a picture fom the club about the designs they are looking at.

There is action, but its only right for the land issue to be dealt with before the club start releasing plans or details about a project that would require people's houses (the land anyway) that are still in private ownership.

And that picture is very very old and I highly doubt looks anything like the redev will do. I hope not anyway as its fucking ugly.

[Redric1970]

There is action, but its only right for the land issue to be dealt with before the club start releasing plans or details about a project that would require people's houses (the land anyway) that are still in private ownership.

And that picture is very very old and I highly doubt looks anything like the redev will do. I hope not anyway as its fucking ugly.

Thanks Craig, what's the odds on anything happening when this season ends, or is it more likely that it would be the following season?.

[CraigDS]

Thanks Craig, what's the odds on anything happening when this season ends, or is it more likely that it would be the following season?.

I think it depends on how quickly the council can purchase the houses. If that moves to plan then we will at least see some news this year.

I think Peter said realistically were looking at starting in 2014 sometime and that's with all things going smoothly.

[Redric1970]

I think it depends on how quickly the council can purchase the houses. If that moves to plan then we will at least see some news this year.

I think Peter said realistically were looking at starting in 2014 sometime and that's with all things going smoothly.

Thanks Craig, much appreciated.

[Peter McGurk]

I think it depends on how quickly the council can purchase the houses. If that moves to plan then we will at least see some news this year.

I think Peter said realistically were looking at starting in 2014 sometime and that's with all things going smoothly.

That twitter scheme is from the 2002 report on the options, which seemed to be pretty heavily slanted towards a new stadium. I have heard some people say great, others - ugly as sin. For me, it's not entirely one thing or the other - neither totally impressive nor completely pragmatic. It's only 55k.

It was the club that said 2014. They may have a consented scheme by then from which they could start slowly (modifications to main stand) or quickly (extending or demolishing to extend a stand). I would increase numbers of potential premium seats in the Main Stand first and increase the numbers of standard seats in a redeveloped Anfield Road second. But it depends on how bullish the club is about selling more premium seats.

However, there are other schemes knocking about which are the same as the 2002 in principle (big Main, 'average'- looking Anfield Road) but which are 60k http://petermcgurk.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/better-yet.html. They all suffer from the same half and half approach. We live in hope that a real scheme will address that problem

But the club won't be held hostage to fortune by publishing any scheme until they're absolutely sure of what land there is to work with and which way they're going with the business plan. We shouldn't expect them to do anything else so dumb.

[Redric1970]

Thanks for the updates Peter and Craig, just a case of wait and see, hopefully sooner rather than later.

[Timeless Melody]

SUPPORTERS’ COMMITTEE MEETING, 10th February 2013..........

1st Topic Raised:
Redevelopment of Anfield

JD explained that it was the Committee’s desire to ensure that the best facilities and
amenities are incorporated into a redeveloped Anfield for the benefit of all supporters
of Liverpool Football Club and visiting teams. The Committee would like to see evidence
of where input from supporters will take place as supporters, through suggestions
submitted through the Committee, are already engaging in the process. The Committee
would like to be familiar with the process of how good ideas are to be submitted to the
club for consideration.

IA, stated that the proposed redevelopment of Anfield involved extending two of the
existing stands in order in increase capacity to 60,000. Without certainty, from the
acquisition of properties and the granting of planning permission, the club would not be
in a position to proceed. The acquisition process affects approximately 100 properties;
all owned the club, the City Council, housing associations or private individuals. This
first-stage process is going well, with good on-going dialogue taking place with all key
stakeholders.

Notwithstanding the lack of certainty, the club has already commissioned a design study
to determine such things as the market appetite for pricing and hospitality, etc. and a
report is expected by the end of April. The next stage will be design and consultation
and it is at this point that the club will engage with representatives of interest groups,
including those representing fans. The following stages will be planning, application,
tender and construction.

Questions identified during the meeting:

1. How do we ensure that we build a fully accessible stadium?
2. How do we ensure the most efficient dissemination of information to stakeholders,
including fans and the Committee, is achieved as the club progresses through each
phase of the redevelopment?
3. How do we incorporate the best experience for fans, irrespective of whether they are
seated in the Family Zone or enjoying corporate hospitality?
4. Will the Club commit to a dedicated meeting with the Committee, at the appropriate
time, to discuss the redevelopment of Anfield?
5. Will the club determine the capacity of the stadium, irrespective of what comes
out from the feasibility study, and will the design be flexible enough so it can be
expanded as needed?

[Nessy76]

Thanks for the update.
Slow progress, but there does seem to be some movement in the right direction at last.

[Azi]

Only enable the WIFI at half time!

The possibilities are endless though. You could order your food/drink from your seat using your phone and get given a pickup time to go inside and collect it. Reducing waiting time maybe? Thats just one use off the top of my head.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/football-fans-can-now-order-1738593

HEARTS fans will be able to order half-time pies and Bovril from their seats thanks to a new smartphone app.

The scheme, the first in the UK, means supporters can send their orders to a snack bar via their mobiles, and have it delivered by Tynecastle staff.

Orders can be paid electronically, meaning fans can avoid the usual half-time scramble for change.

The cutting-edge technology will be available today to all 3000 fans in the Wheatfield Stand for the clash with Motherwell.

Hearts managing director David Southern said: “We are delighted to be the first football club in Britain to use mobile technology to give our supporters more flexibility in the way they access concessions.

“Our supporters are the best in the country and we do all we can to ensure they have the best possible match-day experience.”

But Hearts fans have mixed feelings about the new technology.

Season ticket-holder Diane Scougall, 48, said she often had problems getting phone reception at the stadium.

She said: “I constantly struggle to get a signal at Tynecastle, so if they were going to do it, they would need to have free wi-fi for it to work properly.”

Steve Kilgour, of the Federation of Hearts Supporters’ Clubs, said it showed Hearts were looking after their fans.

He said: “It’s a good idea because personally, there’s nothing worse than missing bits of the game.

“To be able to get your pie and Bovril without leaving your seat and missing a moment of the match
is great.”

[Wallingtonian]

Orwell painted less horrific versions of the future.

When I go to football matches I turn my phone off until the final whistle. I guess I must be one of very few 'modern punters' who want to actually join in with the atmosphere and watch the match.

A pedant writes: Orwell didn't paint any pictures about the future. He satirised the present to warn about the perils of totalitarianism (eg Animal Farm and 1984). 1984 was a commentary on the the rise of the Soviet empire in the post-war years where the people were subjugated by a ruling elite in a one-party state where no dissent would be tolerated. He merely reversed the last two digits of 1948, when all this was already taking place, to give the book its title

[Nessy76]

A pedant writes: Orwell didn't paint any pictures about the future. He satirised the present to warn about the perils of totalitarianism (eg Animal Farm and 1984). 1984 was a commentary on the the rise of the Soviet empire in the post-war years where the people were subjugated by a ruling elite in a one-party state where no dissent would be tolerated. He merely reversed the last two digits of 1948, when all this was already taking place, to give the book its title

That's a rather simplistic interpretation, it was a satire that worked on many levels.

In his own words:
"I do not believe that the kind of society I describe will necessarily arrive, but I believe (allowing, of course, for the fact that the book is a satire) that something resembling it could arrive."

[Dagger_5]

If they are going to start this summer, wouldn't some pictures how it's gonna look be in order?